Bernie was our compromise

If we're fighting with the same weapons, then Biden's last act should be a pardon for Luigi...

Yep. Sometimes it's good to remind the bourgeoise that they should be scared if the mistreatment of the working class grows unacceptable to the latter, with no way to change things from within the system.

Thank you, edited.

Explain how Batman was not a wealthy crypto bro working though a mental crisis ?

Luigi was a wealthy crypto bro working though a mental crisis. Luigi is not lefty batman.

That sounds a lot like Batman.

If you’re waiting for perfect, you’ll be waiting for ever.

I don't think he's a hero, but his actions are the inevitable outcome of our system.

When justice can no longer be achieved through peaceful demonstration or the legal system, people will increasingly turn to violence as their only option.

While I won't celebrate violence, I do prefer targeted violence upon those causing the damage to mass murders of innocents.

If you're going to murder someone - don't. But if that doesn't stop you, I'd rather the victim be someone who damages the world instead of schoolchildren and churchgoers.

Crypto bro working through a mental crisis... not lefty batman...

Batman was a rich bro with severe mental trauma. Any modern reboot would have no problem making Wayne a crypto bro.

It's not glorifying Luigi. He's a vigilante. The health insurance companies are criminals in the eye of the majority, and the majority can't get it changed through legal peaceful means. The vigilante sees an injustice and takes it upon themselves to enact justice extrajudicially.

As we have seen, the majority appears to to support his actions. His background is unimportant. Humans are very grey. That's one of the things that democracy can account for.

Think of it this way: if he was willing to risk all that he had to enact justice once does that not make him better than many of us? How many of us have smaller amounts of excess, are directly impacted by the health insurance companies, yet have done nothing but take steps that have not helped anyone else? That's the definition of sacrifice rather than compromise.

There will never be the perfect Robin Hood. Engels was wealthy, Bernie is a millionaire.

Really the point is that Luigi is (allegedly) right, and represents a justifiable sentiment of disdain for the system and class solidarity.

I appreciate you trying to shift the narrative and demonize our modern day folk hero, but it’s probably not going to work.

Honestly, I feel about the same. Meme is funny, and I thoroughly enjoy the discussion, which is why I posted it, but I want actual leftist leaders in charge, not actual Luigi.

The point though is: Bernie was the working class trying to better the system from the inside. If the system keeps fucking us over, the system CAN be overthrown through different means.

The political class better realise that it's in their favour to have us change the system non violently.

When has Batman been lefty?

His generally agreed upon biography is a wealthy billionaire trust fund baby who suffered great emotional loss and broke, who now spends the rest of his life and fortune fighting injustice

That's the point though- people tried playing by the rules, the system shat in their faces. Now you have people snapping and going vigilante with guns and that's called consequence.

You break the socialist contract, bad things start getting lauded

It's a symbol. People are attracted to the idea that someone could coolly shoot an evil guy and (for a couple days) get away with it.

If he had hurt innocents or fumbled the execution (pun intended) he wouldn't be so popular.

Also consider how our institutions are failing us. People feel, often rightly so, that the systems aren't working for them. The supreme Court is openly corrupt and makes wildly unpopular decisions. Health care is a shit show. The police somewhat routinely kill innocent people and their dogs. Plus a bunch of stuff that's not true but people believe. It feels like there's no path forward, and then some smooth guy just shoots one of the perpetrators dead? Amazing.

He was not wealthy if he couldn't afford the health care...

He’s a symbol of an idea.

He’s part of the reason I hate phrases like “Kill all billionaires”.

Yes, most rich people are pretty evil, and I’d like them taken to task. But simply being born into fortunate circumstances doesn’t make someone evil; it’s the things they DO to keep that wealth that make them a greater or lesser evil. Ideally, everyone would have at least that basic quality of life that he did. Investing in crypto is one thing, but if he committed some atrocity using crypto I’ve yet to hear about it.

Mental health crises are very common now. They don’t necessarily make the act “not brave”.

What's important is what you do.

Not what you claim to be, or what others say you are.

That's why identity politics are a failure. Classifying people between good or bad by a bunch of meaningless labels. The only classification that matters is what one is doing or not doing.

I think this kind of exemplifies our problem. We're more focused on keeping up partisan divides than we are on celebrating what brings us together. I'm guilty of it too, but it's not supposed to be Left vs. Right, it's a class struggle and we've let them create a situation where all we want to do is fight amongst ourselves.

Holy shit yeah it's a get outta jail free card right?!

Btw is Lemmy.world finally cool with that opinion yet?

Who you murder matters.

I have zero problem with all the Nazis the Allies murdered in WW2.

This is a class war occupation. The Class war was lost in the 80s, the people were tricked into surrendering without terms. Luigi, an alleged traitor to his class bless him, tried to foment a resistence/revolution to the class occupation most of us suffer under.

The idea that change must be nonviolent is something that the oligarchs put in our heads to maintain their control, which includes violence using captured government force against us. Most nations were founded using violence, including this one. Further, the oligarchs have captured both major parties, leaving us to bicker on social issues, and without a vote on the shape and priorities of the sociopathic economy both parties are well paid to defend from us, the people that suffer it. Our nonviolent options have been taken away, as we're encouraged to be divided and hate our fellow laborers on every conceivable wedge so we never look up. Divide and profit.

Brian was murdering Americans in swaths. His murder weapon was snake oil, a con: "buy our service as your preparation for inevitable illness! Just give us your money every month, and you'll be prepared when you need life saving care..." "... Oh you're sick now? You'll die without care you expect us to pay for? Whatever gave you the idea we'd pay for your care? Thanks for all the premiums, fuck off and die, poorie sucker."

Bootlicker.

When will leftists face the fact that Bernie simply wasn’t popular enough to win not one but two primaries?

That doesn't mean that Bernie didn't represent a rising appetite for change in the system, which is what this meme is pointing at.

The DNC fucked over Sanders. All of the super delegates were on Hillary's side before the DNC even had its first primary making it seem like Bernie was not a real choice, while the media downplayed him constantly (the billionaire owned media? shocked pikachu face). This was such clear bullshit that the DNC even changed their rules in 2018 to make it so the super delegates cant vote on the first primary ballet, but I believe its because it doesnt make a lick of difference either way. The people who run the country would never allow us to move in a direction of fixing the problems of unregulated capitalism.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/25/democrats-rules-superdelegates-sanders

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/25/politics/democrats-superdelegates-voting-changes/index.html

Leaving aside the issue of whether or not he legitimately lost those primaries (which is certainly debatable at least in 2016), I think he would have not been a very effective president because both parties in congress and the judiciary would have done everything in their power to oppose any social welfare policies he might have tried to get implemented.

Obviously, he would have been better than Trump, but I do not think he would have achieved much. In fact, I think he would have achieved less than Carter.

You do know the meme doesn't say "Bernie would have won" or anything like it, yes?

The Democratic Party primary doesn't choose the President, though. The electoral college does. At least one analysis of the polls concluded that Sanders could have won the EC.

I did not create this meme, but if you're referring to the colours, blue red and white are the colours of the US flag. Afaik all design elements and colours are directly taken from irl Bernie-posters.

As far as I know, Luigi’s popularity is not limited to one political side.

It could also be referring to overall election loss, or DNC primary loss.

that is some impressive mental gymnastics to equate those two things, keep huffing the copium.

The Unabomber was anti-technology and explicitly anti-leftist, besides mainly targeting random civilians, so idk how he's at all comparable to Luigi, whose (alleged) manifesto is simply right, and who (allegedly) killed one CEO of the most stingy healthcare insurance company, who was also being accused of insider trading and fraud.

Except one fought an oppressor, the other took a trip to do some oppressing themselves.

First, the right is also fawning over Luigi.

More importantly, you're missing the underlying point of this meme. It's displayed in the other pieces of text. We wanted Bernie and would've been happy to make that much progress nonviolently, but the DNC did not allow that. And "oppression makes revolution inevitable" because there's no such thing as negotiating with your oppressor. Think of a hostage situation. The people who successfully negotiate away that situation are the police because they are backed with the threat of violence. Those who crave power will never give it up voluntarily.

Kyle Rittenhouse was a moronic murderer who actively wanted to kill someone for some pathetic reason and was crying like a little bitch when he was in court. He provoked a fight with some random guy and when others tried to apprend him (and they were in the right to do so. If Kyle was shot then and there as he should have, the shooting had strong elements of legal self-defense). Luigi set out purposefully to kill a powerful person who kills tens of thousands of people a year with paperwork and wants to kill even more. He can be replaced, sure, but his killing sent out a powerful statement to the wealthy.

Also Kyle is so fucking stupid that he failed the USMC aptitude test so badly that he was not allowed to take it again. Given that normally you are allowed three tries and it isn't that difficult of a test, that is saying a lot.

Except rotten house has incel energy while luigi has mega chad energy.

Billionaires and their well paid .1% millionaire lap dogs are our oppressors. Rittenhouse went fully armed with the intentions of shooting unarmed blm protestors

You can't possibly believe that is true. You're just looking for controversy.

Nobody on the right is fawning over Luigi, huh?

I don't fucking think so...

Yeah, totally the same thing. No critical thought at all.

A ignorant peasant killing other peasants is just another Thursday in the Us.

The firearms industry is super profitable after all.

Sounds like you do care blud