certified "have you tried working on your inner self" moment.
Explanation: sometimes, mental health problems don't only come from internal misfits, but simply from enormous pressure from the environment. (such as in my case.) it's important to take care of externalities, not just seek the problem within yourself.
This post is making fun of people who think they're fixing their life by having "epiphanies" after taking magic mushrooms multiple times a week and then not doing anything about those epiphanies when they're sober.
Source: I used to do that
You’ll see it in trust fund kids back from festivals. They learn that other humans have feelings, which is really mind blowing, but as far as changing behavior in any way…
"Your life isn't shitty, the System that we live our lives in is"
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Wayne Gretzki
- Michael Scott
-Anonymous
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For anyone who's struggling, I just want you to know that I basically permanently cured my depression, the semi-powerful mushroom trip. During the trip essentially took a side step left in my brain that didn't fix my problems but fixed the way that I perceived them and how I tackle them. It has since been about 4 years since that trip and the effect s on my attitude and personality have been long lasting. I will say as a word of caution that my attachment to traditional capitalism and some other more normal things in life has definitely waned but I still make my payments and stuff without incident but I just care less. This shit should not be illegal especially compared to alcohol and cigarettes.
Ingesting this substance can lead to deep thinking about the morality of our economic, political, and social systems, as you noted. That is exactly why they are illegal.
They help massively with my depression too, although I feel I need to take them 2-4 times each year to keep the effect. If anyone is considering taking them for their mental health, the most important things to do are take them in a place you feel safe, with a person or people you trust. I recommend stopping all mental health medication for three days before you take them. If you cannot handle going without medication for three days you probably shouldn't take mushrooms.
I also recommend taking an eighth of a dry ounce. You can increase the dose next time. Anything less is essentially microdosing, unless you weigh 100 pounds or something.
Oh and you develop near immediate immunity to the mental effects of psilocybin. Don't think you can eat half now then eat half later. The second half won't work. In fact you'll be highly resistant to them for a couple of weeks at least. This is a blessing because you can't get addicted!
Yeah. Psychedelics aren't the work, but they may very well change how the work goes.
But try reading about your issues and how to resolve them first. Acid pointed a mirror at my face and told me how I was fucking up, but understanding psychological concepts told me how to do better.
Recommending an unsupervised mushroom trip to cure depression to random people is just reckless.
For me my bad trip basically gave me ptsd ten years ago. I was prone to getting panic attacks though.
Sorry to hear that, regular shrooms user myself. It's often been said it all depends on (mind)set and setting. Do you reckon your bad trip could've been prevented in any way? Was there an experienced user present that could've calmed you down? OR do you reckon you were just prone to panic attacks and the shrooms would've magnified that no matter what?
sadly my friend, within your comment is the reason why it's illegal - if people universally cared less about money, there wouldn't be enough people to steal labour from :(
well, it started with the fact they had to arrest the hippies for something, god forbid people care enough about the lives of brown foreigners strongly enough to protest their country killing them. looks bad to arrest those wanting peace so, arrest them for having a drug that makes them more compassionate!
I don't know, man, it's always annoying whenever these subjects come up, and the capitalist goblin pulling levers behind a curtain is invoked.
It is the very people themselves who are scared shitless of anything that actually works this powerfully.
It's either complex evil above or cowardly, lazy ignorance horizontally around you. Which is Occam's Razor?"We foresee that this substance might liberate the population's minds and threaten us robber barons!" sounds too tidy a narrative, and it is attractive, as it puts blame squarely on the shoulders of The Other. It is, however, as flat and simple and false as "both parties are the same".
Do you know why capitalism is so powerful? Because it gives us what we want. And we suck. There's no hidden pure angel inside of us waiting to be freed fully formed if they just leave us alone, there's a lot of inner work to be done, and we suck at it, we don't wanna do it. We are also a myopic species.
I usually have a strong trip about once a year. It's definitely not for everyone though. For me, it ablates habitual mental patterns and understandings. Almost everything turns symbolic that is thrust from the subconscious whether I'm ready for it or not. It's something that everyone should have access to if you're willing to open up to yourself.
Well said and that's the key. Taking mushrooms won't make you be true to yourself. You have to already be there, at least halfway and meet in the middle.
Oh damn shots fired 😂😳
I don't wanna
You can't make meYeah, inner work was my intention last time I tripped, but instead I ended up vegging out and getting annoyed at my trip mates. It was a waste of time and materials.
I don't know if there will be a next time to try to do better.
I thought I could just bury my problems under a truckload of christmas cookies.
That's precisely what those outings are for...
I've also heard it called a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster.
Similar to the gin and tonic notion:
It is a curious fact, and one to which no-one knows quite how much importance to attach, that something like 85 percent of all known worlds in the Galaxy, be they primitive or highly advanced, have invented a drink called jynnan tonyx, or gee-N'N-T'N-ix, or jinond-o-nicks, or any one of a thousand variations on this phonetic theme. The drinks themselves are not the same, and vary between the Sivolvian 'chinanto/mnigs' which is ordinary water served just above room temperature, and the Gagrakackan 'tzjin-anthony-ks' which kills cows at a hundred paces; and in fact the only one common factor between all of them, beyond the fact that their names sound the same, is that they were all invented and named before the worlds concerned made contact with any other worlds.
Whatever, man.
Didn't expect to get blessed with a Grosse Pointe Blank Quote for breakfast but here we are!
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You’ve become what you were sworn to destroy 😭
Worked for Elon Musk! His endless K-hole is working out just gangbusters.
K is trash compared to shrooms
Educate yourself. Ketamine is a party drug and has nothing in common with psilocybin.
Ketamine first and foremost is a dissociative anesthetic. Ketamine is also having psychedelic effects. It has been used for "spiritual" purposes long before it became common as a "party drug". Also every drug is a "party drug". Finally Ketamine is in research for treating depression, anxiety, addiction and other issues, with some results looking quite promising.
the book ' reality switch technologies' goes into some detail about how different drugs influence our precepetion of reality and what it might be bound in. I think you would like it
"Do it for shrooms."
"Do it for the shrooms"...
...some time later
"I'm doing shrooms for charity!"
Can this be the new government slogan
I can't be certain of that until I try it
Someone shroom my lazy ass up
For the love of yourself please watch recent chubbyemu story on YouTube and pls understand what you are doing before doing it.
Shrooms are very random and medicine should be treated with utmost caution and respect.
Tbf if you just dive in and heroic dose based on a lemmey meme without doing your own research on it (as you should do with any drug ur planning to take) i feel like it was a lil deserved
My recommendation: research like an hour or two on effects/what to expect/how long/etc and start small like 1.5g or less depending on how fimilar you are with drugs (like weed or even a bit of alcohol) . If you like it you can always do more the next time
Shrooms? I love em! Lemon Tek, let's go!
But for Mental health it's pseudo healing. Maybe it helps for a few weeks, but issues are issues, shrooms help to isolate them but not to solve them. Get therapy.
Edit: I mean it. Issues have roots, some multiples. Shrooms help to isolate/understand these connections but it's not a magic "helping" potion. Shrooms can e.g. help with depression but if you don't change the circumstances, the issues shift/come back. (E.g. developing psychosomatic pain instead of depression). So, yes shrooms help... but only temporary if you don't pull the right learnings from it (which could be done on your own... but is srsly much much harder)
Depending on the person's psyche and the severity of their trauma, one trip can cure a person forever as someone was saying in this thread. That's not common though.
I like that people do therapy. I've tried it myself but it wasn't for me. Hard ass Psilocybin trips help me though. I don't know if the DMT during helps but it sure is fun.
I disagree with you, lightly. I think many people can work out their issues with mushrooms, or perhaps mushroom therapy, although from what I've seen what they call a therapeutic dose is a joke.
Oh shit forgot to say- lemon-tek is the only way! Lemon tek a quarter, keep a DMT vape in your pocket if you can remember what a pocket is, and just go wild. My favorite.
my first (lsd) trip taught me how to establish boundaries and tell people "no" overnight, i didn't even intend for that to happen. i was on the edge of ego death, saw myself looking at myself inside of my mind, my other self said "love yourself more" and that was it???
it'd have taken months if not years of therapy to achieve, and a funny little paper i got from my friend for free fixed it with a single sentence, on top of all the fun i had that night
Goes hand-in-hand
I just wanna see my soul leave my body... I just want proof that I am more than this meat.
I think if anything psychedelics have solidified for me the idea that I'm just meat, but in a very freeing way.
I've heard them described as the "cure for atheism"
That's yet to happen for me. Last time I pondered on them I saw that everything is recycled, but not in a return to status quo.. It's like.. when things are recycled we keep the original thing in some kind of shared memory while the things that originally made it are put to new purpose, a purpose that retains elements of what it was before.
Like homeopathy's idea that water "remembers" is correct, but not for medicine or water, but on a smaller level that's more subatomic. I was trying to find more but my boyfriend wouldn't shut the fuck up so eventually I had to give up...
I need to trip alone in a deep meditation.
Mushrooms could help you think you're more than a bag of neurons piloting a poorly evolved bone and meat mech, or they could help you think that that's exactly what you are. It doesn't matter either way. They're fantastic and I highly recommend them. Take them in a place you feel safe with a person or people you trust. You can go in with intention to learn or change things about yourself, or you can go in just seeing where it takes you. I recommend stopping all mental health medicines for three days before ingesting. If you can't handle three days without mental health meds then you probably shouldn't take mushrooms.
I recommend taking an eighth of a dry ounce for your first try. You can always try more another time if you want.
Oh and you develop near immediate immunity to the mental effects of psilocybin. Don't think you can eat half now then eat half later. The second half won't work. In fact you'll be highly resistant to them for a couple of weeks at least. This is a blessing because you can't get addicted!
give those monroe institue gateway tapes a spin, I am more than my physical body because, etc
Do you have a link, Zelda?
You are more than this meat. In fact, meat doesn't exist. It's just a made up symbol our brains use as a shortcut for processing the far more complicated truth of the world. http://soulism.net/
It is always suspicious when someone who claims doing shrooms/experienced something first hand is when they fully understood empathy for someone else.
Ok so like you had understood all that deeper nuance and meaning that would require months if not years of cognitive self work to identify struggle and develop respect and compassion for those around you and you mean to say the ONLY thing holding you back was observation?
Like you couldn’t even take the half step to imagine it even for a second on your own?
It’s like when someone claims their behaviour and emotions are just ‘out of control’ leading to acting abusive to their loved ones but then knows how to put on a face when company comes over.
You should get a sober companion and try shrooms. It more or less overclocks your brain. But because brains are relational, overclocking effectively means making more connections (observations)
I wouldn't call it overclocking so much as changing the way you think, and making it easier to separate thought from emotion. Or at least that was an observation I made about what was different. I could think about things that were normally very emotionally charged without those same emotions getting in the way, kinda like being able to skip the stages of grief when thinking about things many people are in denial about without even thinking about it.
I also believe that it reduces the barrier between the conscious and subconscious, allowing more things the subconscious "figured out" to bubble up to conscious thought. "Figured out" in quotes because while the subconscious is powerful, it is not infallible. There might also be a sense of connection between the "a-ha!" feeling of figuring out something profound and random thoughts going through your conscious mind, making normal or dumb shit seem important and groundbreaking in the moment.
It's not so much about understanding empathy. It's basically poisoning yourself, having a shit time, such a shit time that they end up being able to appreciate basic things. Not just in themselves but in others.
It's hard to do things, it's hard to focus, and your voice becomes louder with raw emotions and low inhibition.
So you realize how amazing people as a being are, you appreciate everything that makes life work.
However it's fleeting, rapidly fleeting. It is a moment. You have to learn from it and detach from it.
Two questions:
Did you grow up in what you'd consider an emotionally healthy and open atmosphere?
Secondly, have you ever tripped properly?
The first one is because if the answer is "yes", then it might be hard imagining that sort of revelation even if you do trip. If it's "no" on the other hand, I am curious whether you've tripped on an amount you felt was "properly high" and whether you did it with people you trusted at the time?
