Trump confirms he will declare national emergency to carry out mass deportations

We'll see. The military is under pretty clear orders to defend the constitution from threats both foreign and domestic. Trump ia domestic threat and a fascist, and fascists flip the truth upside down, so he'll accuse immigrants of being a domestic threat as a way of trying to convince the military to violate their oath. He'll certainly replace legitimate generals with spineless lackey loyalists, but the oath isn't to obey generals, it's to protect the constitution, and it goes from top to bottom.

This will be a trickier test of the military's quality than WW2.

The oath to protect the US Constitution from foreign and domestic enemies takes priority. You are correct in one regard, it will depend on the military leadership and soldiers.

We are the ones without any power.

Absolutely. The tendencies are visible all over the world and there will be grave consequences for all of us. However, there are differences. In Germany for example after the horrors of WW2 the political system was specifically designed to prevent something like this from happening again (ironically the creation of the german constitution was heavily influenced by the US). Which sounds like a good thing at first, but what happened in the last decade was basically this: The right wing parties became stronger at every election and as a result there were coalitions forged between opposing parties to prevent right wing parties from taking over power. And this in term lead to years of standstill in political decision making, dragging down the country, because opposing parties tend to block each others ideas. Which in turn made the right wing even stronger, because they now had someone to blame for the resulting mess. Germany and by extension Europe as well have a lot of bureaucracy, which on one side gives a bit of a shield against hostile takeovers, but has a downside of inefficiency in acting to protect democracy too. It's not looking too good, but Trump's habit of pissing off his allies might have a net positive effect of uniting people against this bullying and encouraging them to get their shit together. But I think it's to early to tell. Could as well sway in the other direction and produce Trump bootlicking countries like you said.

About surveillance technologies, indeed the possibilities set our current situation apart from when Nazis came to power in the past. It's absolutely crazy to witness how a commercial surveillance industry disguised as ad services (Google/Meta/...) created a monster that makes Orwell's 1984 look like a children's book, and most people still don't even understand the implications in order to realize what they're up against. From a european perspective, there is an upside in that at least for now the EU is actively trying to limit the power of those mega corporations. These processes however are chugging along at snail pace due to the aforementioned bureaucracy. Slow, but steady. Which is at least something.

Sorry for the lengthy reply. It's such a broad topic and there are no easy answers.

Education should be free, even for the kids if the neighbor you don't like.

Of course it's not free, it costs tax money, but it's okay. Id rather my neighbors had free education, then maybe I'd like them.

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Well if he has his way, he's going to be able to remove general at will

It won’t even be that subtle, they’ll just use unmarked border patrol like last time

Look for that group to become the main go to for anything that 'needs taking care of'.

Or just Proud Boys and other paramilitary thugs.

No more migrant workers, they still need slave labor, make everything illegal, arrest the poors, put prisoners to work for pennies...wont be shocked if that is the plan.

Twice.

Don't make us come down there a third time, I swear to Gord.

Canadians conservatives burnt down their own parliament too.

Generals aren't selected by him personally though. Not unless congress completely folds to him. Remember one Senator holding up all of the promotions? That actually frees up military leadership to appoint replacements themselves. Within reason of course, they aren't putting a private in charge of a brigade. But it does mean that with the tiniest bit of cover from Congress an officer corp loyal to the Constitution can block Trump's agenda and make any purge take literal years to bear fruit. Not to complete it mind you, that will take even longer, just to cobble together enough of a chain of command to get a unit to actually deploy domestically.

That said the military are masters of malicious compliance. There's a really big chance that resistance in the ranks looks like the generals ordering their troops out of the barracks but not taking any weapons because that would violate Posse Comitatus. Then fulfilling Trump's orders by politely asking anyone they see for their papers. They wouldn't arrest, detain, or chase anyone though, because that would be law enforcement and violate Posse Comitatus. They would of course studiously maintain an armed QRF on base just in case anyone finds the invasion of enemy aliens Trump is going to declare an emergency over. You might even see them get used against Cartels at the border in an attempt to appease Trump without clearly violating Posse Comitatus.

I do acknowledge it's entirely possible the generals fold and put the onus on the lower ranks to ignore illegal orders. Which would destroy the military much faster as enlistments drop through the floor, stop loss is engaged, and desertion skyrockets.

Yeah if Trump actually follows through on this the US military is going to take decades to recover. But that's the point. Both for daddy Putin, and American owners of Private Military Companies. They've been trying to privatize the grunts since 1990.

Hmm, it's almost like some third party have had an interest in destabilizing all structures of power in the US 🤔

I think we need to start using strongman in conversation more for the people who don't know what it means.

I think those colleges need to stop charging tuition. Clearly, their education is worthless.

Where were you when America was violated by the terrorist fist jab?

Also, I will never forget how Michelle Obama sullied this country with her bare arms....

Its the next political bulwark and where we rally next. If Trump runs over that bulwark, then we make plans afterwards.

But the Military will NOT want to be seen going house-to-house deporting Puerto Rican American Citizens. I know there's a lot of racists out there, but if they do that, we just take some pictures and the national level outrage and blatant racism on the troop's faces will be shown for everyone. And trust me, if a mass deportation order were invoked, 100% legal US Citizens will be swept up in the blatantly racist attack.

These people cannot tell the difference from an illegal Mexican, a legal Haitian or a US Citizen Puerto Rican. I'm serious. So that's no longer a Trump-specific thing at that point. That's commanders and soldiers who will have to live with that for the rest of their lives.

Plenty of pigs are already on his side, and would help him with this willingly.

In some red states, yes. But that's largely in rural areas. I'm not sure if even a city in a deep-red state like Houston would cooperate with Trump.

Its not up to the Police in any case. It'd be likely up to the local Attorney's General.

Also, as president, SCOTUS has already ruled that he can pretty much do what he wants as long as it’s an “official” act.

If Trump wants to personally come down and deport Mexicans one by one, I'd love to see it. But otherwise, Trump is going to write a thing that likely won't make sense. Local police won't get any money for immigration issues and will complain about funding and long hours. Then all the shit will collapse unless Congress gives more money for a deportation program.

Plenty-o-pigs sounds like a great police hookup app

Yeah that's called a US Army Private.

What you're ignoring is how fucking dumb an 18Y Old with a gun is. There's a fucking reason we don't use them in US Territories. When the bloodshed starts, it will be because dumbass high-school dropouts opened fire in an American neighborhood.

What you're also ignoring is that US Army commanders know this. They know how dumb their recruits are. Its the job of the commander to make sure the troop under them are put on missions where they have the correct and proper training. A "serious" Army Commander would refuse any immigration / customs job, because US Military troops are simply NOT trained for this. US Military are trained to kill people and should only be used to kill people. That's why we focus on using them outside of the USA.

Like, seriously. Do you expect a 18Y old high school dropout to handle a warrant over a house correctly?

You say that. But the minute people's private homes get invaded by US Troops, US citizen's opinions will immediately change.

Republicans are strongly pro-4th Amendment and are distrustful of the police as well. Getting wrapped up in police raids just because you live in the wrong neighborhood will piss off a LOT of Republicans. And a mass program that forces citizens to ICE / Police / Military into your house (be it a massive push for warrants, or some other mass-scale law) would be a significant number of breaks with the Constitution.

Remember: the Republicans are "Deep State" fuckers who distrust federal officials. Do you really think they'd be cool with orders that let police into their private homes?

If it gets that far, and I'm not convinced it will, Troops aren't trained for immigration issues.

Do you think 18 year old dumbass Privates and Corporals know the difference between a Puerto Rican US Citizen and an illegal Mexican? Do you think US Troops have any training on police actions? Lawyers or courts?

That's a disaster waiting to happen. We use troops rarely because they're dumbasses with a gun. We give them exceptional fighting training, but no training on finer details of policing. Use of force will be too high, rights will be trampled, US Citizens will 100% get caught up as military has no fucking training on this subject.

If it gets that far, then we know what to do. Take pictures, document, build national level outrage.

Again, he ain't gunna do shit. He's all talk. I'm not here for the doomer end of democracy shit either.

I stand firmly by this statement: "Politics are never as good as they seem and they are never as bad as they seem."

They'll love it. They'll buy our country up for pennies on the dollar.

Obama? Thanks.

Males? Buttery.

Biden? Did that.

As a Bi-man, a bigration sounds great! Would be great to have more bis around. Mono-sexuals are just weird, imo.

Short answer: the Supreme Court

Longer answer: National emergencies are perfectly reasonable to the SCOTUS when declared by a Republican but ridiculous overreach when done by a Democrat and the SCOTUS will use any opportunity to neuter the power of the federal government where a Democrat is in charge.

"So why don't they just try anyway?" you might ask. And the answer there is that the SCOTUS can do more than just say "you can't do that one thing anymore." They can use it as an excuse to block 100 other things that were either flying under the radar or were being challenged one-by-one previously and tied up in appeals.

Biden tried to regulate CO2 through the EPA. The Supreme Court not only said he couldn't do that, but they concocted a brand new standard called the "Major Questions Doctrine" that basically says government agencies aren't allowed to implement any significant new regulations unless Congress explicitly authorizes them. And now all those under-the-radar regulations are falling like dominoes in the district courts with no path for appeal.

They tried with student loan debt and the courts blocked them at every turn. The courts are shaped to allow republican plans, because we have done these things in the past. Courts are more willing to reject things that haven't happened before.

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