Elon Musk Veers Into Clearly Illegal Vote Buying, Offering $1 Million Per Day Lottery Prize Only to Registered Voters
Elon Musk Veers Into Clearly Illegal Vote Buying, Offering $1 Million Per Day Lottery Prize Only to Registered Voters
Blatantly illegal.
But Biden won't step up and make Garland do his job.
Just throw it on top of the giant piles of reason "not trump" isn't enough to fight fascism.
We need people actually willing and able to fight, best case scenario for Biden is he's only one of those things.
And as president, he's clearly able to direct the DOJ, if he believes he shouldn't be able, that makes him unwilling to fight fascism.
musk is all in. He either goes to prison or trump wins.
I'm sure investigation starts immediately, but it won't get results until after the election.
What investigation is needed?
There's no way this is legal, it's what "blatantly illegal" means.
Like, if someone stripped naked, got a full automatic gun and walked around the White House busting off caps, it's "blatantly illegal" no investigation needs to be done.
This isn't like Musk went home and put pants on, he's still running around literally everyday till the election doing this.
You stop the person from committing the crime, and lock them up if there's reasonable suspicion they'll keep committing crimes.
Then when you've stopped more crimes from happening, you investigate the crimes that already blatantly happened, as well as looking for others.
Why will Musk go to jail (ignoring this bribery)?
Just curious, why do you think Biden has to do anything? There's teams of people in charge of enforcing laws that don't need the president to tell them what to do. A CEO doesn't tell everyone under him what to do. He just expects them to do their job to the best they're able.
Because I know who Merrick Garland is and have observed his behavior over the last four years?
It's legit one of the few areas I agree with Biden:
In recent weeks, President Biden has grumbled to aides and advisers that had Garland moved sooner in his investigation into former President Donald Trump’s election interference, a trial may already be underway or even have concluded, according to two people granted anonymity to discuss private matters. That trial still could take place before the election and much of the delay is owed not to Garland but to deliberate resistance put up by the former president and his team.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/09/white-house-frustration-with-garland-grows-00140813
Although I disagree with Biden on his path forward. Rather than replace Garland, his plan is to grumble to aids and adversers that Garland doesn't do what he wants, I believe Biden should have never appointed him in the first, and can offer no plausible explanation for why he hasn't been replaced other Biden is (say it with me) unwilling to fight fascism as hard as it needs to be fought.
The Supreme Court: “This is fine as long as it remains Republicans only…”
Accurate
This is a case where max jail time is needed. 5 years for each bribe.
Served consecutively, not concurrently
Exactly!
Except he's not paying people to vote. I hate arguing for the guy, but what he's doing is not illegal. It should be, but it's not.
Cards against humanity is paying democrats in swing states who didn't vote last time to apologize, share something bad about trump, and make a voting plan. They're showing how far you can go and still be legal, saying it should be illegal.
The article says what he's doing is clearly illegal, and backs it up with the law that he's violating. He's offering, through a lottery, a chance to receive payment in order to incentivize people to register to vote. CAH is probably treading close to the line, but I can't say it's clearly illegal. What Musk is described as doing seems to be pretty clearly illegal, to me.
Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both
Can you explain why you don't seem to think what Musk is doing is illegal?
Did you read the article..? They're saying it is illegal to offer money to register to vote.
Though maybe some of the other things Musk was doing were of murky legality, this one is clearly illegal. See 52 U.S.C. 10307(c): “Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both…” (Emphasis added.)
Put him behind bars for that and I start believing that the government takes this vote seriously.
I'm going to lower the bar:
If the government issues any sort of indictment in the next 3 weeks, I'll agree that they are taking it seriously. Even without bail.
Also this is just an illegal lottery
It's not actually illegal. He is paying a lottery to people who register to vote. Similarly, Cards Against Humanity is paying people who didn't vote last election to make a voting plan.
It's illegal to pay someone to vote regardless of if it's for a side. Neither instance goes far enough to be considered against the law as written. Cards Against Humanity states that it shouldn't be and it's fucked up that it is.
Though maybe some of the other things Musk was doing were of murky legality, this one is clearly illegal. See 52 U.S.C. 10307(c): “Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both…” (Emphasis added.)
I mean, if it’s clearly illegal then can we, you know, apply the law?
checks Musk's net worth
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No.
Can we "eat" him then? Make it a big ol dinner party everyone invited.
The best part about this is that unlike a lot of the other illegal shit his PACs are doing, Musk can't separate himself from it and say he wasn't personally involved. He personally handed out the giant check.
If Harris wins, and if her administration actually decides to crack down on this shit, Musk could end up behind bars. I'm not holding my breath, but it's a still a pleasant thought.
The first rally he came out for trump, he flat out said "if trump loses I'm fucked".
It's logical to assume if he's being this blatant because even a little digging would show obvious crimes.
He's already fucked, he has no other option than to double down with blantant shit.
All the more reason to act now, the election is in two weeks, but if looking into this gets a head start to find some shady shit before January...
Well, it's probably all hypothetical, Biden wouldn't have the balls to do anything.
The worst part is, he isn't even American. Imagine if Americans would go into a foreign country and try to influence the elections... Oh wait.
Elon Musk and promising people money you'll never actually pay out. Name a more iconic duo
Donald Trump and promising people money you'll never actually pay out.
If Mike Lindell is any indicator, maybe this is a good thing.
Donald Trump, such a great candidate that you have to pay people and offer them cash prizes to get people to vote for him...
That's the message here.
I mean, I guess I would take a million dollars from a deluded billionaire, but I would still vote for Harris.
None of the people they are trying to bribe will see money.
... shall be fined not more than $10,000 ...
Pocket change.
Make him pay it for each entrant. It’s probably still pocket change because a hundred billion dollars (or whatever it is now) is effectively infinite money.
Sometimes the depth of the hole we’ve dug ourselves is just astounding.
What's stopping people from applying to his "lottery" and just not voting Trump?
Apparently nothing. I live in PA and want to sign up, but I really don't want Musk to have my email or phone number or home address.
Understandable. I'd greatly consider it (if I didn't already turn in my mail-in ballot, and he offered to California) but the idea alone that I'd be giving my private info to "I am a massive fascist and enabler and funder of them" just so I can grift a grifter.
But the simple fact that even if I could give them what they demanded for payment, they would probably see a disabled, queer, poor person and go "Oh, well, you're one of them so... Face the wall."
I'd rather be a poverty-trapped queer in a red county as I am now, than sell my morals for money. That's what people with the moral backbone of a chocolate eclair do.
As if he didn't already have them
So something is going to happen to him right? RIGHT?!?
Stupid rich people trying to take advantage of 'stupid' poor people.
Stupid rich people taking advantage of the flaws in American law enforcement and of the American judiciary system
He will claim is was a joke in court.
'Locker room talk'
Putin rubbing his fingers with glee rn. If this doesn't get prosecuted, I know what he'd do.
This immoral prick continues to push my Stoic practise to its limit.
i'm telling yall. this is a self defense situation.
Cut out the media advertisers, bribe voters directly. Progress.
“Illegal” is just a joke at this point
Has been for centuries. Rules rarely applied to the leaders of Rome or China, as soon as someone noticed the trend, it was the end of those governments until it was time to reform and try again.
If you have enough money to have sway in your community or kingdom, you have enough money to start asking for favors and benefits. "I'll give you this land, you give me something later." "If I can guarantee enough grain for the next month, I can get a guarantee from you soon."
You put someone into any power over others, someone wants that power, and some people are willing to do anything for that power.
Rich people feel like they can do anything they want and usually the law lets them do so. I hope he faces some type of punishment for this.
Everyone talking about how illegal this is but I doubt it is. It does not say you have a vote a certain way. You just have to be a voter and sign his petition to be eligible.
Eligible*
Thanks. I knew it looked wrong.
The comment is almost illegible. Funny!
You can't buy popularity, Elon. Ask your buddy Donald
You really want him to ask his buddy who took his popularity from a reality show and parlayed it into the Presidency , and might just do it again?
If this is illegal, does that mean Cards Against Humanity's recent voting stunt is also? Edit: thanks for the drive-by down vote, it really doesn't help the discourse. I'm mainly wondering if CAH has opened themselves up to a bunch of legal liability.
Hate that I'm writing something that defends Garland a bit but arresting Musk two weeks before the election could be a huge backfire.
Musk isn't running.... You can't give famous or wealthy supporters legal immunity just because they're famous and wealthy and vocally support one side or the other.
...so yes, you should hate yourself for trying to make that defacto case.
But if he was selling loose cigarettes on an NYC street...
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