Sovereign Citizens are crazy. Who thinks they can live in our society, use the things our taxes built, steal from companies, not follow the rules and laws our society made and just say they are special and get to do it. These people want to be leeches. How about pay your taxes, pay for products and services you use, follow the laws and join the society. We all must live together and there are rules.
Weird how this rant also fits super rich people, politicians, crows and babies
It does, except rich people just pay this stuff cos it is negligible. They avoid consiquences by throwing money at their issues in the form of lawyers. (Or just money presented by lawyers).
These poor people have been conned into thinking that the law doesnt apply to them or worse still there is some super secret underground law that only the elite know. Truth is, in civil law with enough money and time there are no consequences because your oponant cant afford to keep fighting, and if they can by the time there is consiquences youve made so much you dont give a fuck.
This is basically the core of Republican ideology. Living off of the benefits of society while claiming to be 100% self made and then destroying the underpinning of that social fabric because it “isn’t needed”.
I mean, you're also describing the ultra wealthy
They are a bit different, the rich found out how to be leeches while still following the law (or making it seem like they do) whereas these guys are more like both leeching and shouting out loud that they are leeching
And? We all know the wealthy are leeches and bad for society.
On another note it's kind of nearly impossible to really at all decouple yourself from society. Even as a literal homeless person who is denied every single benefit of society you're subject to the poaching by tax agencies (I've been there. Imagine building up radio tax debt when you are literally live on the streets).
I can almost get it, when I watch the state and federal government take 30 percent or more of the money I earned, so they can give it to clowns like Trump and a Biden to do stupid shit that I don't agree with. And don't give me any, "be the change you want to see!", bullshit either. The fact of the matter is, if you've got the millions, you can do what you want, pay the fine, bribe the officials to look the other way, and generally be left the fuck alone. If you don't, and you've never been given the tools and/or opportunity to get out from under living paycheck to paycheck to survive, it's easy to understand the mental gymnastics necessary to believe in this shit. It's ignorant speak for, "leave me the fuck alone". Let me be clear that I fully understand and agree with the idea that this idiot wants to steal from a utility company... I'm just saying, if you don't have the ability, resources, or education to find a place where you can live "off the grid", looking for magical solutions isn't hard to understand.
Shit, Disney trained me to believe that all I need to do is wish upon a star...
Fucking stupid cricket.
So this person thinks they found a loophole to steal gas and power, and all they have to do is an "I said so" spell, but that the people they're stealing from can't and won't just "I said so" spell right back? "How can I get these people and the cops to stop caring about my theft attempts?"
Special words. Yup, basically the whole principle behind the sovcit movement.
I would argue that the real special words behind the sov cits are "I'll just need your credit card number."
And cargo cults.
"You're a sovereign citizen, Harry"
so now I’m thinking what is the point
congrats, you’re getting there
Yknow, I kinda hate this smugness about people who just are really awful sick of the constant degradation of rights. Let him have his meters. let him do his own thing. Just shut the power off at the property line. It's all made up bullshit on paper anyways, everyone else just subscribes to the popular model.
Except that's not how things work. Nobody is say the way it works is good. But living in your own world and pretending things work differently doesn't make it so and there are consequences.
keep the sovcits coming, those are always funny as hell
I have endless sovcit content. Endless.
Thats both great and fucking terrifying
I feel like if you're gonna go this hard on being a sovereign citizen, you might as well start actually learning and practicing law
Is the logic that at least that way they can be formally disbarred?
Kinda, could definitely be a thing. For me it would be to have an official archived record of my stance versus society by appearing before a judge.
I am not doging taxes, have no intention for personal gain and my free independent will seems to be mostly if not almost entirely according to the most common laws. But there is still systematic harm baked into law and for me it invalidates it from having any value or meaning.
If people can logically reason why i would be in the wrong with something i gladly take the punishment to learn to better myself. But just because the holy book 2.0 says so? Fuck that, I’d radicalize myself Further in prison then pay a small fine i believe to be undeserved.
The sovereign people in the post of this place seem To have no backbone or considered that actions has consequences and to fight injustice is to sacrifice oneself.
Its kinda sad i couldn’t have a proper discussion about this earlier. I am openly asking to be challenged using logical reasoning on why i should comply with systematic pointless harm. But i expect this comment too will be downvoted in silence.
Kinda, could definitely be a thing. For me it would be to have an official archived record of my stance versus society by appearing before a judge.
I am not doging taxes, have no intention for personal gain and my free independent will seems to be mostly if not almost entirely according to the most common laws. But there is still systematic harm baked into law and for me it invalidates it from having any value or meaning.
If people can logically reason why i would be in the wrong with something i gladly take the punishment to learn to better myself. But just because the holy book 2.0 says so? Fuck that, I’d radicalize myself Further in prison then pay a small fine i believe to be undeserved.
The sovereign people in the post of this place seem To have no backbone or considered that actions has consequences and to fight injustice is to sacrifice oneself.
Its kinda sad i couldn’t have a proper discussion about this earlier. I am openly asking to be challenged using logical reasoning on why i should comply with systematic pointless harm. But i expect this comment too will be downvoted in silence.
Sounds like going Solar would actually be a smart option for this person. Not that it isn't smart for anyone.
Oh but that would cost money to install. Why do that when you can just steal and spew some nonsense about "private" property.
Some states still require you to be on the grid, and pay a connection/distribution fee, even if you are providing more energy than you're using.
When I was looking into installing solar when I lived in New Jersey, they said we weren't allowed to have a home battery system to store the solar power, either, due to the potential danger of utility workers on downed lines from unexpected loads (somebody should introduce New Jersey to the magic of diodes).
This looks like it's the UK, so I really doubt they'd be able to get enough power from solar to cover all their needs without having to take out a mortgage.
I would agree but I have seen in some areas of the US you must be connected to the grid. There is no disconnecting from it as it's illegal.
Some say this exists to block solar but I think these rules predate solar and are more about the health and safety issues as a home without electricity generally requires a lot more work to upkeep with a lack of hot water and lighting, not to mention cooking.
As much as many of us like camping, having a camp fire in your front yard to cook from and boil water with daily might ruin the aesthetics of the neighborhood.
Does anyone know what they're changing the meter to? That's a risky/difficult process, isn't it?
This sounds very British so it is almost certainly a "smart meter" that E.ON are installing (which transmits usage data, and can be cut off or set to pre-pay remotely)
Canadian too, well at least British Columbia. There was a big drive a few years back to modernize the meters and some of what I suspect are the types that became 5G kills you groups fought long and hard to block these new meters being swapped in.
Something about radio waves and then not being accurate. I don't think these people in this group were trying to steal hydro but more on some health grounds kick to block these new devices from being deployed. I think individual home owners can refuse the new meters much like people can refuse spraying on their road side properties.
In the end as a business person I suspect they served a few purposes for real time accuracy of data collection on the status of demand and the health of the grid, and eliminating the need to send out meter readers to manually read a odometer on a old style mechanical meter.
Unlike others I don't think they were in the Bill Gates lane of trying to microchip you with vaccines to control you and identify a person as well as your cellphone does.
It is not risky or difficult if you know what you are doing. So given the state of this guys outlook on the world, yes it is very much risky and difficult.
Don't worry. He's got a meter guy who does it for him
Could literally be the meter part if the unit which can be removed and replaced in less than 30s. Push plastic clips, pops off dead meter attach new one. Company now has a more accurate, allegedly, meter on their property you agree to maintain when you buy the house.
Company now has a more accurate, allegedly, meter on their property you agree to maintain when you buy the house.
Huh? Since when does the landlord agree to maintain the meters? Those have always been the respective company's property that they must maintain. All you have to do is make sure they're accessible.
Even if they kept the police off of their property, the power company would just disconnect the wires coming into their property. Even with the sovcit magic it wouldn't work.
This is amazing and I support them
