This is America. This is the foundation that holds up the Trump government and the Republican Party.
This is one sample visit to the conservative subreddit. It's an appalling example of the impact of disinformation. When you need to be reminded of who the enemy is and what they think, visit here. You will see that there is no gratitude or mutual respect, and there never was. There was never any concept of mutual benefit. And now, with Trump leading the cult, there truly is no depth to which they won't go, and no decisions from Trump that won't be retroactively justified.
These people are dangerous, and they don't give a shit about any alliances, friendship or partnership. And they control the levers of power.
Edit to add a screenshot. Not sure how to add more, but it doesn't get any better as you go deeper. What's clear is that this relationship is over, and we need to move on.
Their edit is one of the stupidest things I have read in a minute. Everything about it is like an amateurs first attempt at international relations, but the only book they had on hand is “Learn Your ABCs”.
“Technically an act of war!! Concerning!! Fentanyl!! Just want Canada to be safe for trade!!” It’s just word vomit; it has no base in reality.
Conservative voters are the dumbest fucking things, I swear. They go on about patriotism, yet want nothing more than to watch the downfall of their countries. Pathetic.
As a Canadian, you realize that we have Maga dipshits up here, and that members of the Canadian conservative governments have been seen sporting MAGA hats? And that the candidate for the federal Conservates was out there supporting the Dipshit trucker convoy? And that he has also suggested ditching CAD for bitcoin?
Our cons are fucking dumb as fuck just like the rest, and we have people stupid enough to want to vote them in. And thanks to FPTP and 3 parties, they often stand the best chance of winning because the right don't have anybody to split the vote like the left does.
And cheer on dictators who offered $5k for each American soldier they killed.
It's just a cult - they don't stand for country, freedom (lol), military, or anyone but themselves. Conservatism at it's core is caring more about yourself than others.
The problem is that we no longer agree on what reality is with Trump sycophants. For them lies are truth, night is day, less then 1% of fentanyl is a national emergency, etc even when presented with facts and objectivity. It’s legit terrifying and I don’t know how to fix it. I don’t know how our politicans are able to deal with people they can’t share reality with. Canada’s going to bear the brunt of US delusion and unreality.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist.” Hannah Arendt.
You are right: They are no longer a part of our reality.
They exist in a twilight zone of their own making; able to be convinced, either by their paternalists or their own community, of any lie.
The rational were pushed out or scapegoated over time until only madness remained—as it does now.
The only good thing about cults of personality is that they tend to collapse when the personality does. One of the bad things is that they tend to take everyone with them on their way to collapse.
Doubling down on tribalism won't save us from their ignorance. The degradation of a unified society by means of Us vs. Them thinking is how we got here in the first place and how things continue to get worse.
There are those at the fringes of that style of thinking that can be reached by those of us who are adjacent to them (via family, mutual friends, workplaces, etc.). Those folks at the fringes can reach those adjacent to them. We'll never get 100% of them on side but we can at least weaken the well-funded machine that continues to keep them uninformed by relating to people as human beings instead of stoking division like oligarchs intend for us to do.
I mean, it tracks with their view of the Ukraine situation as well.
It also tracks with the general conservative mindset that the "in group" is protected by laws, but not beholden to them; while the "out group" is beholden to laws, but not protected by them.
Which all tracks with having the mindset of a toddler, free of any shred of empathy, where, until proven otherwise every other person in existence is by default just an NPC without agency or self-determination.
That subreddit is nothing more than an echo chamber. If you express an even slightly reasonable view, you get banned.
The only way for dissenting opinions to be expressed is with the downvote button, and even then most reasonable people avoid going there because it's so frustrating to read.
Exactly. The only ones allowed to post (and have their comment seen) are the ones vetted by their mods. It’s a true echo chamber; every thread is flaired users only—and the only way to get a flair is to be “gifted” one by their mods.
I used to read it to see what conservatives were thinking. There used to be actual discourse in the comments about policy positions. It's now nothing more than brainrot and Russian trolls.
Yeah, seen my fair share of conservatives fail to preface their shock and disagreement with something with a lengthy apologia and get the banhammer for being a 'brigadier'.
Reddit is a soulless corporation that only wants to make money. Like a vampire, but money instead of blood. But if you drove a stake through the heart of reddit's CEO and board members, you'd go to jail for some reason. Unless the jury was super cool and nullified.
I'm confused. The screenshot you shared just has two idiots sharing stupid opinions and 1.1 thousand/389 people (likely from the same subreddit) disagreeing with them.
I'm not saying the conservative subreddit isn't unhinged, but this feels pretty cherry picked.
Maybe share a photo of the most upvoted comments for a better reference?
It was a highly-awarded reply to the top comment, so it was the second comment you would see by default sorting (though it starts minimized).
But yeah to @OP this is not America or what Americans think. That sub is pure Russian disinfo and astroturfing. You could argue that it represents the administration and current policy, but most of the actual people here recognize this as lunacy, even on within the Putin echo chamber.
If you spent time on other platforms like Threads you’d see a lot more of this being continuously spewed. It’s why I deleted my accounts on several services. While this might be a cherry picked example from that sub, the far right revisionist take is far, far more common on popular social media than you think.
One of the downsides of remote work is that I don't really talk to anyone outside my political alignment anymore, so it's hard for me to know anymore what's a bot/astroturf campaign and what IRL conservatives are actually thinking anymore.
I don't need r/Conservative as an argument for my hate. Listen to Rogan, or read any one of the dozens of other threads at that sub. Or even look a bit deeper in that post.
Pedo-Donald will try to annex Canada. For the first time of my life I'm considering getting a gun. We cannot trust conservatives anymore. Poilievre and mostly Ford are just playing the though guy card now to negociate a position, mark my words. Be prepare to fight.
A shotgun is a really excellent choice. You don't have to be crazy accurate at close quarters, but you can still reach out and touch someone (remember, they're used for hunting Duck, Turkey, and Deer; games have to massively nerf their range because they're OP in real life). The ammo is pretty much everywhere and pretty affordable compared to some others. Also, if things don't kick off, you're not stuck with some mall ninja kit.
Accept the annexation and in 10 years the entire US government will be run by Canadians. Just look at their entertainment industry, they can't resist our Canadian charms.
It has been interesting to see "Canadian Conservatives", some of them top commenters, get viciously turned on by /r/conservative while lamenting about how this is hurting PP and the Conservatives movement in Canada.
For real. The issues occurring in the US are various, but the vast spreading of disinformation in the US is crippling. Don't let unchecked lobbying (aka bribing of politicians) occur in your country, don't let "news organizations" spread false realities.
Wow, so glad this brave American here could teach me so much about my own country. Let me just call up my drug dealing prime minister governor and demand that he fix Canada immediately lest we face more punishment from Poppa Cheeseball. Thank you r/conservative, I'd be so lost without you proper Americans leading the way.
James O'Brien isn't my favourite talking head, but I do like his idea of having contempt for the conmen and compassion for the conned. These people have swallowed a lot of big lies and the fault is with the liars.
If they were truely conned sure. But most of these guys just thought the pain would be placed on others, not them. They're fine woth others suffering, but the tears start to flow when they experience anything negative at all.
100%
The difference is I would leave the door open for them to come back to reason, maybe even give them the benefit of the doubt. But the people purposely manipulating then are, I think, beyond forgiveness.
I agree that someone conned deserves compassion. You got tricked into sending someone money? Im sorry, even if it was dumb of you, im angry at the scammer.
But when you get scammed and the person who scammed you says theyre using your money for atrocious hateful acts, say making someones existence illegal, and you double down and say "well actually theyre right let me send more money, " you do not have any sympathy from me.
Nono, let these morons suffer their consequences. I hope they don't mind learning Russian because they're going to need it to communicate with their new masters.
You're 100% entitled (and right) to feel that way. But there are a lot of lies these people have been fed, often from birth, about for example white supremacy etc. that only education can really erase. Education is withheld by the same liars that profit from the hatred they whip up.
Now I'm not advocating for the softly, softly approach with them, I'm all for punching Nazis, and it's ultimately up to the individual what to believe. But these drones aren't the right target, it's the monsters that made them that way and hide behind them, the people in power advocating for e.g. religion and ethnonationalism to increase their power and profits. They are the root cause. And their first victims are these ignorant sheep forming a human shield around them. If I were to explain how much contempt I have for those people this would be a massive text wall that probably breaks Lemmy TOS.
The talking points might be, that supremacist US attitude is not. It's been there for decades.
Its not the Russians or Trump there is big part of the US that is hostile to anybody but their, imagined, version of America and places no real value on others even allies.
That’s true, but Russia is also very good at exploiting the enemy’s weaknesses. They don’t invent propaganda whole-cloth, they play on dark sentiments already present and boost them
Would it surprise anyone if it was a Russian run subreddit. Heard moderation is heavy handed to quickly snuff out dissent with people having their conservative flairs taken away if they dare question dear leader who drinks the sun and eats the sky.
I kind of have pity for them. It's hard these days to see the lies from the truth when the vast majority of the media is owned by corporations who control the narrative, and cherry pick and spin the information to their own benefits. Then you add content pushing algorithms and AI to the mix. They get fed continuous content with similar interests. And also AI generated content that not only generates pretty convincing visuals but now also convincing articles, online posts and even direct conversations.
Anyone that lacks education and critical thinking skills can quickly get suckered into becoming conservative.
Fascists love AI generated slop, because it cuts the artist out of the art, so many of these might be real. Please be noted that platforms now often defend AI bots from countering, as they're now hiding comments with common jailbreak phrases (which are also trivial to filter by the bot operators).
I'm closer on the Mexican side of the country, but I'm gonna really miss having friendly neighbors. Sorry we've been so shitty lately to our northern and southern friends.
1.1k effective downvotes in r/Conservative, that’s amazing even for explicit libtard comments. If that sub isn’t swallowing your Drumpf Deitification, you’re really and utterly stone bonkers.
Kinda wild. I really gotta leave and get out of this pile of a dumpster fire I'm in, and head to Canada or someplace. This screenshot is just insane. I have no words for what I'm seeing here in this screenshot.
Glad I no longer post to reddit anymore. May go ahead with a essentially full block of reddit and essentially all of Big TV outright at some point. I've thought about cutting off Big TV completely; as hearing from American news media has been driving me on the verge of outright mental insanity, but now seeing this tonight, it seems like I gotta cut Big TV outright.
I've never been so thankful and glad to be on Lemmy and Mastodon for this wild ride since the start. I'm realizing just how dire it is out there. Having to get this off my chest with nowhere to vent to. Now I just need to find a Lemmy community or something that helps with people coping with this insanity, because I might need to hide this community again otherwise for my sanity. I already had most of the news and politics communities hidden on Lemmy to manage the flow of insanity, but went back and forth on this one this week.
Added one. Couldn't see how to add more. I can appreciate that no one wants to give them traffic. It doesn't really matter because commenting there is highly restricted even if you have a reddit account in good standing. And the entire subreddit is incredibly fragile - you'll get permabanned for putting up anything that counters the tsunami of horseshit.
It's also best practice to add alt text in the square brackets:

Some apps and front ends will have a little image icon that can help you upload more images into the post / comment body