but it was trash at loading html websites
as opposed to websites written in excel 2003 format or what
there are many more type of websites, other than html
The claim to have "nothing to hide" was not just born our of ignorance, but also out of comfort - to not having to do anything about it.
Now that even the last one accepted that they do indeed have something to hide, but in order to justify their own inaction, it's labeled as inevitable: privacy is not real.
They are lying to themselves, because doing otherwise would mean they have to admit being wrong.
The mindset about privacy is just all wrong. It's not an all or nothing game. Any privacy gain is a net positive to no privacy at all.
To many people conflate privacy with anonymity or try "accomplish" privacy without understanding what they want to be private from and why.
Exactly. Now to click the “copy text” button and keep your fine words handy for my next convo with a friend who thinks life with Facebook and Google is grand.
html websites
These aren't normies. They're children.
This honestly reads like a bad commercial you'd hear on the radio.
When they realized they DO actually have something to hide, they moved the goalposts to now say nothing is private online anyway.
I mean, that is pretty close to the truth. Especially for people whose skill level is at "Firefox sucks at loading HTML sites".
That’s such a weird statement. People who don’t like Firefox at that level don’t know what html is.
A lot of people have just accepted surviellance for convienience.
People close to me get TSA precheck even though it requires fingerprinting, because "the government already has your fingerprints"
But if they did, why would they need to ask your for them?
Depending on what people do, the government already has their fingerprints.
Personally, I work around schools so I had to get a background check and fingerprinted for that. I also am licensed to handle explosives, both federally and at the state level. I been fingerprinted for that. I've gone through TSA for hazmat endorsement on a commercial driver's license. That needed fingerprints and a background check.
Getting fingerprinted to get through airport security is the least of my privacy concerns.
But my threat model isn't the TSA. They aren't a concern of mine, although I do opt out of their facial recognition.
I am concerned with internet surveillance, corporate surveillance, and communication surveillance.
Sorry for devil's advocate here because I agree with you but hypothetically the answer would be verification. ie., Google already has your password, so why would they need to ask you for it when you log in?
If you’ve gone to jail they totally have your prints already. Fingerprints are identifying information for such a thing. How else would they do that?
There’s worse.
They already know everything about me anyways. If I can exchange my data for some free and easy to use service, I’m more than happy to give.
I hate defeatism.
Its not even defeatism, its willingly sacrificing themselves to the machine in hopes it will be merciful!
Is it me or do those comments feel very shill-like?
Yes some subreddit is piviting hard captalism recently, giving up their dignity to defend corporations with their life.
Yea this has really big astroturfing vibes.
Elon Musk popularised this cope argument a few years ago. It sounds intelligent to people who are incapable of any level of critical thinking or nuance and believe everything in the world is either 100% A or 100% B with no in-between. Sadly, this is a large percentage of the population.
What did he say to popularize this?
I was pretty sure he said something to the effect of "privacy doesn't matter/doesn't exist" a few years ago but I can't find the interview I'm thinking of. All I can find is this video on the topic from The Hated One, which isn't referencing the interview I'm thinking of.
100% of the people are like that!
"If people say edge is bad they should consider thinking about your windows 11 os lol"
"hello i am u/NotBillGates and I agree with this message"
my guess is its just another flavour of cope.
imo likely because recent history has began to undermine the delusions which were propping up the former flavour.
i had the same thought since i sometimes wonder "why bother" when i know that things like prism gave them everything they wanted 15 years ago.
Haha holy shit id forgotten. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM
A similar argument I hear is "If they want me, they will find and arrest me no matter my precautions".
Kinda yes... But why are you talking about threat models that include someone deliberately hunting you down? We are not high-ranking dissidents or criminals that they would put effort and money into finding. Our concern is passive surveillance - maybe the collected info doing us a disservice (like being leaked for scammers or sold to an evil ex), maybe even something mundane getting flagged and us being arrested just to serve as an example.
e.g. Period tracking apps being used as evidence when prosecuting people who seek abortions
Yes. There are a lot of reasons why any one of us could turn into a high value target at the drop off a hat. If not to a government, then to an organisation or a lone lunatic.
those can be open-source and selfhosted, no?
"i don't have anything to hide" mfs when their passwords get leaked:
Gen Alpha doesn't care about privacy online. They need to be guided by their parents to care, e.g. when they buy a laptop, they install some Linux distribution on it before they give it to the child.
they most likely want to game on their laptop as well. Linux is capable, but usually requires good configuration and troubleshooting, that a gen alpha kid can't do, and parents are busy. This is why it is not a widely practiced thing
Wouldn’t it be better to at least put a modicum of effort in to have some privacy, than to put zero effort in and have none at all?
If everyone started using encrypted messaging software, using devices that are resilient to all but the highest levels of forensics, and stuck to social spaces which prevent bots and alt accounts, hosted on servers in countries their own nation's law enforcement doesn't have access to, it would massively increase the costs of surveillance. Every layer of that increases the price.
When you let surveilling you become profitable and easy, expect it to get worse. More obtrusive. After all, you've displayed compliance up to that point.
Yes, that’s it. As I’ve told friends on several occasions, you know why I encrypt my online life and guard my privacy as if, you know, freedom depended on privacy? Because fuck them, that’s why.
It takes my time and effort, but I just can’t let the bastards win just that little bit more easily. All cops and corps are bastards (ACAB).
Never say privacy. Always say libre software. That's why.
chromium is still 'libre' though, so I don't think that's enough
You don't have a better two word attack.
The one saying they use copilot for math problems is the worst part. It demonstrates their complete lack of critical thinking.
Copium
Microsoft Edge, based on Google's Copium engine-
Copium indeed
"No, they would never track us. But if they were, it would be a good thing."
The op in that post is 14 years old at most. Just look at how that shot is tailored.
I mean, yeah, privacy isn't really a thing in our digital surveillance age. Doesn't mean I'm not gonna make it as hard as possible for them. Make em work for it.
"chrome was hogging up my ram" is the dumbest part of all of this lmao, this person's decisionmaking is completely driven by placebo and it's hilarious
If it wasnt beaten by this, it comes a very close 2nd: "Firefox is trash at loading HTML websites".
You can tell that fucker spends their time gibbering techno waffle bollcoks to old people!
Why? It's because they never arrived at their current behavior by a systematic progression of logical steps. Most of the behaviors we exhibit aren't that way. We just offer a post-hoc explanation/justification. They use edge, so they defend their action with any argument assertion they can think of.
It's also (sort of) because they want to tip the proverbial scale towards their current use. Change takes effort and can be irritating. They have their list of positives about edge (faster, easier, etc.), and they downplay the negatives such as privacy.
An excuse to still be right.
I use Edge on my work laptop because:
- Vertical Tabs
- Logs into my SSO account
- Leaks info from my computer like a sieve (it's my employer's info, and they don't deserve privacy)
Privacy also doesn't exist when you have the entire website being indexed
I'm also a firm believer in you don't need to freely give up your data
I did not realize "spezit" was "spez" and "reddit" until I reread your commnt lol. I thought was some reddit privacy frontend with the German pronunciation of "z".
Off-topic, but I do agree in general that Edge is a solid browser. I use it when I'm at work and really love the vertical tabs and tab groups. I use firefox for personal use and am patiently waiting for the vertical tabs on the stable release (and not just in about:config).
Reddit be like.
Yeah a very reddit moment
Is that the same as the misnomer or fallacy that privacy is dead?
My "progressive" friends are this way - "everyone already has everything, whatever who cares"
laughs with my GraphineOS pixel and librewolf and Alpine on my librebooted Thinkpad
(Obviously you don't need to start where I'm at but everyone's goal should be to eventually become as secure as reasonably possible)
I just want RISC-V and open drivers on everything.
then you can forget any compatibility, but you know. I think privacy needs to be sensible, and it should not go in such ranges that highly limits usablity
Same, I wish all technology was shared and open :3
I do fall into that way of thinking sometimes and in discussions and such, but even then, i still take steps to maintain a level of privacy. It's for stupid reasons, I'm admittedly not knowledgeable whatsoever on data privacy. (As in, why is it necessary since we already carry a lot of data collection devices with us as we go around that I know most people dont even think about.) But it makes me just feel better, I guess.
Most of my friends have actually moved away from Firefox to more tailored browsers like opera, which i think is much worse in terms of data protection. (again, uninformed. It's just something I've seen thrown around, feel free to correct me if that's wrong.) At times, it really is quite easy to start thinking like the people highlighted in the post. I'm 22, and have a degree in computer science. There was a module on data security, but it was mostly focussed on data leaks and encryption methods rather than the 'philosophy' on why data protection is important. Even in the final year of uni, people were being quite flippant with it.
It's probably just a cultural shift, as more and more companies collect mass amounts of user data, people gradually get more comfortable with the idea I guess. Especially with gen alpha, who are born into a world where it's just a fact that all companies are actively farming your data. To them, it's not something to be concerned about whatsoever. There was never a time in which they had privacy, especially since they are introduced to technology before they can even speak, write, or remember.
What I've put above is mostly just waffle honestly, but I hope it provides something to someone LMAO.
Edit to add stuff: I guess to make the point more obvious, for younger generations it's because privacy just isn't real for them.
Hopefully the Trump presidency is a wake up call in the importance of privacy. As we slowly move towards fascism, privacy becomes more important than ever.
Trust in privacy, fight against GAMAM!
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