Period tracking app refuses to disclose data to American authorities
Period tracking app refuses to disclose data to American authorities
Clue vows to safeguard users following the 2024 election amid concerns anti-abortion state laws could allow phone searches for menstrual data.
They shouldn't be collecting it in the first place, store the logs locally (and encrypted tbh) on the user's device.
If anyone is in need of a more secure option in these dystopian times: drip keeps all your data on your phone. You can export the data, so you can keep the tracked data when changing phones. I only use it for tracking my cycle and sometimes symptoms though, so I can't say much about using it for birth control.
Apple’s Cycle Tracking app is also locally and E2E encrypted in iCloud.
When your phone is locked with a passcode, Touch ID, or Face ID, all of your health and fitness data in the Health app, other than your Medical ID, is encrypted. Any health data synced to iCloud is encrypted both in transit and on our servers. And if you have a recent version of watchOS and iOS with the default two-factor authentication and a passcode, your health and activity data will be stored in a way that Apple can’t read it.
This means that when you use the Cycle Tracking feature and have enabled two-factor authentication, your health data synced to iCloud is encrypted end-to-end and Apple does not have the key to decrypt the data and therefore cannot read it.
Sure. It's encrypted. And your private data only stays on your device. Pinky swear.
With our 10 billion $ in ad revenue, you can trust that your data never makes it to a third party unencrypted 😚
Is the app and the OS open source? No? Then please shut the fuck up with your dangerous "advice". People really still havent understood how this shit works. How is this being upvoted? Corporations do not deserve your trust when they claim things without proving them.
This is not a joke, this shit affects peoples lives. After spearheading the technology for creeps to stalk people with physical tags, and being the first to experiment with client side communications scanning, how do people still not understand that apple is just as bad as the rest.
For better E2E encryption, you should turn on Advanced Data Protection: https://support.apple.com/en-us/108756
What a name lol
Best to write your data down. Do not put on device or online.
I mean, the app offers encryption of the data, so you'd have to enter a password. And you can encrypt your phone as well. If it gets to a point where you are forced to enter the password, a piece of paper in your drawer is probably not much safer.
It's really beyond fucked up that this is something people have to think about.
Why in the fuck would the government need this information?
dystopian hellscape where government has an algorithm to check whether your period has come in a given month, and if you've missed more than a few weeks, you'll be listed as pregnant. And then if you're not pregnant anymore for any reason other than giving birth, then you'll be prosecuted for having an abortion.
When they start prosecuting women for miscarriages and suspected abortions under Trump's national abortion ban.
To prosecute criminals. Like women not following a shit take like "Your body, my choice". Or terrorists. With wombs? Idk.
This shit is just fucked up.
China had a database that stored fertility information including information like in the article leak a few years back too. Worse cause it leaked/got hacked. Creepy AF
Why does a period tracking app even need to store the data anywhere other than locally?
their given reasons are "to keep backups" and "academic and clinical research with de-identified datasets"
they seem to actually do a fairly good job with anonymizing the research datasets, unlike most "anonymized research data", though for the raw data stored on their servers, they do not seem to use encryption properly and their security model is "the cloud hoster wouldn't spy on the data right?" (hint: their data is stored on american servers, so the american authorities can just subpoena Amazon Web Services directly, bypassing all their "privacy guarantees". (the replacement for the EU-US Privacy Shield seems to be on very uncertain legal grounds, and that was before the election))
Sometimes people get new phones 🤷♀️
But it will still disclose that data to advertising companies which WILL give it to the authorities for a nominal fee
Also, why does the app keep that data in a centralized location where it can be scooped up like that?
And more importantly, people have known that everything is spyware since the Snowden leaks, why the hell would you ever give that kind of data to an app on your phone? Even if the app was totally E2EE and private, other things on your phone do all kinds of spying
tf is usa on, why they need perios statistics
So they can prosecute people for getting illegal abortions.
typical Trump presidency bullshit. Yet they fail to prosecuate many gangsters and rich money launderers. like this was the biggest problem ever
Why US gov need to know about people's period?, that's weird and creepy
To get the needle, you need the whole haystack. Collect everything decrypt later
That's nice, but why does that data need to be on their servers in the first place?Ok, so apparently they don't store the data by default. Guessing they could if the user wants it backed up or synced across devices.
I imagine they collect data to improve their algorithm so it can more accurately predict a woman's cycle. Quite a few women use these apps as an alternative birth control, so knowing the specific days where they need to avoid sex is helpful.
This is awesome, thank you for your service! Goddamn, the premises around that are just... sad.
Any woman on here, please consider bluemoon. My wife is tech illiterate but loves the app.
Bluemoon (Open source, privacy friendly menstruation tracking app. Your period, your data!) https://f-droid.org/packages/ch.nilsgrob.android.bluemoon/
I know it's not feasible, but if a lot of males would just use the apps that are know to report to US authorities and input data, that most likely will raise a alarms, they would have to deal with heaps of false-positives and it would obscure the real data.
I just experienced my first period as a 38 year old male. I know almost nothing about them, so this is gonna be a wild ride for anyone who reads my stats.
I'm in. Anyone know of any apps that DO report data?
Same, ready to poison data against fascists anytime.
Wouldn't that just break the app?
I'm just assuming they use user data to improve the health data shown, if people are going to fill it up with bogus data, it just destroys whatever use this app has for women.
Do you want to be protected or do you want the app optimized pick one
Can I get a reminder about the apps that WILL share with the govt so I can help fuck with their data?
female and male staff members at Clue, based in Berlin
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DO NOT put this kind of information in an app!
If you absolutely have to have it in your phone, use the calendar and pick some event that's plausible monthly with a unique name so you can search on it. "Checked for Mxyzlptik updates", "Look at travel to Canada prices" or whatever.
If you need more functionality than that you'll need an offline solution. We live in a fascist dictatorship now. They hate women. And they will 100% use that information against you if they can.
It makes zero sense in keeping the data unencrypted in ang cloud. People usually don't share their cycles details on the public internet.
I'm glad this article is about Clue. I hope I can continue to trust them.
I've been using Clue for years and it's nicely trans-friendly and not-pink. When I was first looking for a period app, many options were focused on fertility--either seeking or avoiding pregnancy--which rubbed me the wrong way.
Good
As a man who have been with the same woman the last 20 years I have an extremely limited experience in the field of periods to put it mildly, but what benefits does using these apps give you.
Could you get the same effect from an airgapped notebook?
How could you have been with a woman for 20 years and not have experience with periods?!?
Ask her. Talk to her about it ffs.
The point was I have experience with one, she has no use for an app. But for all I know that might be just her
An app doesn't get lost like a notebook, it builds the calendar for you, it can give recommendations about when fertility is at peak (notebook never talks back), it's always with you when you're in the bathroom. A notebook can work.
Maybe think of it a bit like watching a movie on DVD and wanting to switch which room it's playing in. It's totally doable, but it's a hassle.With Netflix and a smart TV (or better set up), you get a pretty seamless experience. Add more blood, nausea, cramping, and depression to that scenario.
A place to keep track of personal notes and details should, you know, be personal.
What happened to nothing to hide nothing to fear?
What happened to the "nothing to hide" argument? It was eviscerated. It is not a good argument.