This is a real threat :(

I don’t really have an issue with ceiling lights, but I don’t see the point either.

Can be sitting in an office where basically an entire wall is windows, and someone will still put the lights on… why? There’s enough natural light.

It's just taking nice blue-white natural light and pissing harsh yellow light all over it.

It makes me wonder if we have different amounts of blue cones, that they literally can't see all the blue light. Is there one of those colour blind tests that can estimate cone density?
- Office lights tend to be a lot more blue than what's used in homes.
- Itvs interesting that you find yellow light to be harsh. Normally, the yellower tones (2700k-3500k) are called warm and soft white. Daylight is 6500k with a notable blue tone and neutral white is somewhere around 4500K. Is your office also filled with brown/dirty surfaces that seem highlighted by the warm light or grays that clash with it? Florescent lights (and cheap LEDs) are especially harsh in general because they have really bad color rendering, meaning certain tones get muted and distort perception. Letting in daylight may just be helping restore color vibrance. Bluer lights also tend to have more UV output, which makes them more painful at night. Yellower lights lean towards the red end and aren't so jarring for the same brightness. Bluer lights get used in hospital, lab, and other high-detail settings for more clarity, while yellower lights get used in more relaxed environments where visual detail is less important.
  
  I wouldn't guess you have a different cone count, but I would guess there's some underlying perceptions about colors and visuals.
- There are individual differences in color perception.
  
  Office blue light might be because blue light stimulates while red/yellow makes tired. But main reason is probably that neon tubes still are cheaper per square meter. Btw, selling them is now forbidden in europe, they are LED tubes now.
Sometimes natural lights comes in at "uncomfortable" angles or simply leaves some corners relatively dark.

So the artificial light acts as a counter light to reduce shadows and create a more even lighting.
Depends on where the light is for me. If it's a chandelier style, I don't like it because it's kind of in my eye line.

Hey now there's nothing weird about being completely unable to focus under fluorescent lights.

For me it can be the opposite, I often focus better with artificial light than with sunlight.
- Because sunlight reminds you of how you could be outside living a meaningful life instead of grueling over shit ass paperwork in a deadend desk job that barely pays you pennies to a dollar...
- me and a friend were talking recently about how we function better at night and summer takes that away. so, a few days ago I covered my window with a blanket which blacked out the window, and use only my lava lamp for light. it has been the most productive, multitasking filled era for me so far.
- Sunlight hurts.
I learned recently that not everyone can see the fluorescent flicker. It's unnerving and feels a bit like being buzzed on caffeine. It's not so bad in the offices with indirect lighting. Also, cheap LED lights can flicker. I clung to my incandescent lights until they all burnt out.
- Wait they can't? Although now that I think about it, there's certain cheap LED lights that I can see the flicker and my girlfriend cant

Sent this to my wife and we talked a bit about how I don't like lights on.

I realized that even when I'm home alone at night (and not taking care so that she doesn't wake up), I will use the flashlight/torch on my cell phone rather than turn on lights in the house.

I'm the wife and I'm like you. I will stand in the dark and wait for my eyes to adjust rather than turn on a light.

We have fairy lights and red LED string lights for the high traffic areas to dissuade hubby from flipping on the overhead.

Low light motion sensor nightlights for a couple spots so that we don't step on a cat on the way to the bathroom.

The kitchen lights are dimmable, so we can go bright when needed to cook, and dim if just searching for a snack.

I love it. He has given in and adjusted. I find it calm and cozy.
- Well, it's nice that you two found a common ground here, wife and husband. It is a bit weird you did so by communicating via Lemmy comments, but's great if this works for you. ;)
I have my phone's flashlight hooked up to the extra button that was supposed to be for an ai assistant, and I use it more than every other non-keyboard button on every other device I own combined.

Not only am I more comfortable in the natural light/darkness, I never need to make a return trip to turn the lights out.
- Samsung? Not a fan of the Bixby AI that's going to take the world by storm? Do you have a way to set a timer on it or does it only turn on while you hold the button? I'd worry about accidental triggering (since I do accidentally trigger that bitch Bixby every once in awhile.)
Dimmable RGB LED bulbs are for this. One command can turn on all the lights to 100% in soft white color. Another can set them all to 1% and orange color. The color change makes the room even darker than just setting the lights to 1% at normal color.

That’s the family-friendly version anyway. If I’m the only one up, I’m totally content with everything off.
Turning on the lights in the room at night, especially when you’re trying to go to sleep, is going to be far more disruptive for you mentally. So it actually makes a lot more sense to use a small light just to spot what you need to and then quickly turn it off after

Ceiling Lights, MY ONLY WEAKNESS!!

IT BURNS!! IT BURRNNNSSS!!!!

Ceiling light is best light.

All these fucking mood lighting I see people talk about make you look like some kind of underlit villain, or like you're telling goosebumps stories around the world's mildest campfire.

Why am I the only neurodivergent person who finds floor lights fucking disgusting ???

Im quite Neurodivergent and i absolutely love harsh overhead lighting, i want to be bathed in light
Im pretty sure by mood lighting they aren't referring to lights built into the actual floor. I think they just mean less intense lighting like lamps, string lights or LED color lighting.

I don't even think I've ever seen a house with floor lighting indoors
- I'm not talking about descriptions, I'm talking about pictures and videos.
  And I'm not talking about lighting set into the floor, I mean like floor lamps and shit.
  
  They put these laps on shelves and desks and standing on the floor, but they're almost always below eye level when standing, so everyone looks like a b-movie villain as they move about the room. It drives me crazy.
  
  Give me an overhead area light. Soft shadows from light cast downward onto my face.
Sorry but no.
Desklamp is where it's at. Can't stand ceiling lights if they are behind me.
- I prefer not to be lit like a b-movie villain, when I'm walking around in my own home, but you do you.

Dunce here, I don't get the joke. Can somebody explain? Are ceiling lights something ND people don't like?

Not universally but yeah. Ceiling lights can be really bad for overstimulation, so a lot of ND people will prefer to never turn an overhead light on in favour of using lamps/natural light.
- At least with my own anecdotal evidence, it's also color temp. "Daylight" bulbs seem to be more of an issue.
  
  I prefer bright but warmer light
- Thanks!
- Is that why i prefer the dim desk light lighting the wall and almost never use the main lamp?
- I really should see a psychotherapist, I think.

Cruel and unusual punishment

Shouldn't that be "photodivergent"?

Is this more of an ADHD thing, or an ASD thing?

I don't like bright overhead lights, either. I was diagnosed ADHD at the tender age of 56.

Most people don't, I think. Our office got LEDs to replace our fluorescent bulbs and we leave the lights entirely off since then. Or maybe we're all secretly on the spectrum lol.
- My office used to do this, until upper management caught wind and threw an absolute fit over it. Then they paid the building manager to come in and remove the lightswitches so we couldn't turn the lights off ever again, there's literally an alarm that goes off if the circuit is broken.
  
  Yay for having a mild headache every single day!

Which ceiling light? White one or yellow one? I've got both.

Being able to switch the color from an app is a game changer

nice try but mine are dimmable

When did Nero divergent become a thing? Last couple months it's everywhere. Never even heard of it before then...

It has existed for a while but has been getting more mainstream ik recent years.

Its a good term because it comes from the community itself rather then being a medical label by a doctor so its inclusive to people with or without diagnosis.

It also covers many more neurological differences that are not, yet frequently overlap with, autism. adhd, dyslexia,… You dont need to self identify as sick or disabled it often just feels better for me.
- Makes sense, thanks.
I mean I've been hearing it since like 2018, it's just an easier way to say you have some disorder or another without really getting specific.

Also humans just love classifying themselves so that probably has a bit to do with it
It started taking off in 2018, https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%2Fm%2F043mzm&date=all&geo=US.

Nah you good i didn't think so, I'm just sharing my personal thoughts on the matter