Then everyone clapped
Yeah for real, there's been another very old tweet that this seems to be based on. Might be real but reads very copied from the previous one.
Link?
Tell me you don’t talk to female academics, lol.
I'd be willing to bet this isn't real.
I've been to lots of scientific talks and the idea of someone trying to call put the person talking is kind of ridulous and never happens. You would have to an asshole of the highest calibre to do that. And the fact he mentions a specific paper/person and that just happened to be tbe person speaking and the idea that the speakers name wasn't listed is just so incredibly unlikely I can't ever imagine that happening.
This just seems like the kind of thing people fantasing happening, so they can smugly correct them.
To be fair, she didn't say she was giving a talk, guess it could have been a side conversation. It would seem more likely in a little side conversation.
However, at least when it happened to me, the other person remembered the paper but not the author, so it seems weird to refer to the paper by author. Also it feels weird even if he did remember to throw in the "et al". It's extra weird for her to declare that she is "McCarty et al", since she is saying she is "and others". It feels like a detail thrown in to make the exchange sound more "sciencey", when it doesn't make sense.
Since I had it happen to me, I'm sure it's happened to other paper writers, but this exchange doesn't sound like a realistic way for it to go down. So it's at least massaged for dramatic effect.
Seems like the kind of thing that would have been an intentional poke at being funny if it actually came up until Karen tries to make a thing of it because it goes straight to her head.
Why did she have to specify the "white male" part?
Because that's the group most likely to commit misogyny in the workplace? Especially in male dominated fields.
When someone commits a robbery and they happen to be the race that commits robberies the most often, do you feel the need to point that out?
Yes and I don't think you pointing out the truth of this stereotype is unwarranted here. But her pointing it out in the first place was. Replace this with another accurate stereotype about another race. Let's say there's a city in which a certain race, per capita, commits crimes more than another. Does that warrant someone saying, "So I got mugged, and of course it was a black guy!"
This type of stereotyping is clearly spiteful, ignores greater understanding about the social situation, and perpetuates the untrue idea most people conflate with these stereotypes: Every member of the race is like this. This is even internalized by members of the race in question, perpetuating the greater social issue itself.
I mean, she's McCarty...
But I feel like this reploat has been around for a decade by now, and it's always bothered me.
Just sounds like a George Costanaza thing where she thought of this comeback but never in the moment
the hair thing could be drama for the tweet but everything else is not the first time nor the last time that happened, there are others stories like that
I don't doubt the situation happened, it is common.
But her reaction rarely is, but it's always the rebuke you think of "in the elevator" afterwards.
That's the less believable part, that she thought of it and used it in the moment. Quick on your feet thinking is like the opposite skillset of doing hard scientific research
Don't you understand? It's not about him. To have a line as perfect as 'jerk store' and to never use it. I, I couldn't live with myself.
Human drivers of fire??
White guys in this thread: Hey now, this racism business is a two way street.
Everyone else: Your race is bad so we can be racist!
That's not how "et al" works
Someone call the police!
I am the police.
Colloquially, it is.
Ooofff
Big L right there
This once again shows how important it is to acknowledge ones own biases and to account for them.
holy shit just like digimon
But Doctor, I Am Pagliacci
Wow. If true, sick slam.
What's this got to do with his skin colour?
Or... is she just racist?
She's just pointing out that because of his race, the man she was taking to was in a place of social privilege and he should be more mindful of this when talking to under-represented groups in his field, such as women and POC.
Reminding him that his race grants him a level of authority, encourages him not to approach every conversation with the assumption that he is the smartest in the room.
Hand wavey nonsense. Racism is racism no matter the direction or made up reasons.
Honestly, I didn't think it through. I saw this on Lemmy and thought "It looks like [email protected] material and I haven't seen content from it for some times." So I crossposted it.
How did she manage to be racist and sexist at the same time? Interesting.
Yeah, she could've just said "a post doc". Imagine if it was "a black woman" instead of "white male" and people would be going ballistic
Because it does not play into stereotypes hence is needlessly specific. Say white man conjures the image of an establishment elitist who has unrealistic standards for being a scientist (being white, male, well off)
Where do you even go from there?
Being casually sexist in an anecdote about alleged sexism, ok.
I actually experienced this exact same scenario, where someone accused me of being an idiot on a topic and referenced me to educate myself on a paper that I myself wrote. Dude was a white male, but I am too.
Hilarious because when he threw that at me I told him to look at the author and he doubled down that I was wrong, and I didn't understand the nuance of the paper I wrote.
Short of it is people can be condescending douches even without sexism.
