threads is already going great 💀

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Absolutely no surprise there. When you keep the barrier to entry low and throw in an algorithm to increase “engagement” via outrage, the soup turns to poison quickly.

This is why every time someone says the Fediverse is “too confusing,” I just smile and nod. That attitude of petulant, lazy, self-imposed gatekeeping is what’s keeping the Fediverse a much nicer place to be.

If the “hot” and “active” filters continue to work as expected and bots get reasonably moderated or blocked, I don’t even think Lemmy needs a high barrier to entry or petulance. The most important thing is to not optimize any recommendation or sorting algorithm on session duration, ads seen before closing session, and revenue per user.
- This is so true and people seem to have a really hard time seeing this. The cultures on other social sites are far more manufactured than we'd like to believe. I think the human driven systems of Lemmy and Mastodon are brilliant but the true killer feature of the fediverse is going to be an open content recommendation algorithm. A collectively developed non-profit driven algorithm would undoubtedly be better at surfacing positive impact content than either system.
- Funny enough Hot filtering is currently bugged on small instances.
It's like IRC. Just zany enough to keep out the riff raff.
- Oh the IRC days, what a time
My first instinct would be to say, "This is the 21st century, learn to use a damn computer already!" But then I think of the long term and WANT people to think it's too hard to join Mastodon or Kbin, just to keep the average IQ of these sites above room temperature.
- IMO if technical difficulty is the filter, it would actually only select for people good at computers. There are otherwise dumb, shallow people who are good at tech.
  
  (I'm not saying its difficult using lemmy, just replying to the idea in general)
Absolutely agree. I love the high barrier to entry and how it has kept the conversations (for the most part) more substantial.
- I know I'm an old school techie, but was there really a high entry bar for lemmy compared to say twitter or Instagram? I honestly don't know, other than r3dd!t the last social media I signed up for was what? Facebook well over a decade ago?
  
  If the few steps it took to make a user name, pick an instance, and then get my head around the fact that I had to also join any instance I wanted to respond to, is enough to keep the unwashed internet masses out, well, they are just even dumber than I already thought.
It's concerning just how many people can't be bothered to spend 5 minutes to pick an instance... Keeps it nicer for us though
- I don't really think it's fair to pretend that, before two weeks ago, anyone under god had any idea what an instance was unless they were already heavily tech-oriented.
  
  It took me hours of trying to read through not-my-kind-of-jargon to understand what the hell I was looking at and what kind of consequences that unexplained choice would have, and it really seems like a good number of users that initially struggled forget the learning curve extremely quickly the moment they're over it.
- I've been explaining it like email. There's no email webpage you go to to create an account. It's just a protocall a bunch of people have agreed to use, so you go to one of them and you create an address. I also think your username in the fediverse should be called an address too, but I don't think that'll catch on. It makes it a lot easier to explain, because everyone can use email, even the most tech illiterate people.
Well said! A high barrier to entry, and a low barrier to exit working as intended. Let's enjoy the good times while they last.
- Its not even a high barrier. You just have to choose an instance from a list.
This this this. The fediverse being "confusing" keeps the idiots, boomers, trolls, and overall horrible people away. Having to learn something new is too much for those people. Lemmy/Mastodon and so on are "nerd" platforms, and I really like it that way.
- Easy on the boomer stuff. You just lumped "horrible people" into the same group as regular people that happen to have lived more years than you. If you are looking for a "nerd" platform, you'll do well to remember that there are a ton of extremely nerdy boomers out there and you just helped turn the soup to poison for them
If extra layer of "difficulty" is introduced by giving the users the choice of an instance is enough to keep them away, then I'm all for it.

It just needs to be easier for the ones that managed to figure it all out (better apps, stability, UI/UX, and QOL updates)

IMO the only algorithm I'll accept for lemmy/kbin is slightly faster "expiration" for posts, sometimes some posts stay too long on my frontpage.
- Kbin generally seems to churn faster than Reddit for me, but posts on Lemmy do seem to stay around for a awhile.
- The default “Local/Active” sort algo needs to be tweaked. It makes it look like there are no new posts for days. If you use All with Top Day, Hot or New there’s way more going on.
Self imposed gatekeeping. Damn that's real

Great, and they’re going to try to federate? Hope it doesn’t go well for them.

Seriously, day one and it’s basically Stormfront Lite
- But why go to Stormfront Lite, if you have Stromfront Extra Deluxe* in form of Twitter already.
  
  ^*only slightly broken daily^

Maybe we'll finally be cool enough to get banned - Klanned Karenhood

Oh, you could have been that cool already. Just do as Ijeoma Oluo did.

Provoke the racists. They will come flooding into your inbox with death threats.
Report the messages to Meta so they can say, "doesn't violate our community standards."
Screenshot the messages and Meta's enabling response, and post them publicly on your Facebook page to show how seriously Meta takes right-wing death threats and hate speech.

Done. Banned "for posting hate speech." You could have been cool all along, Klanned Karenhood. You just have to go after the right people.

I've reported some fucked up shit yet somehow it never violates their standards.
- Same on Twitter. Back pre-Elron I was suspended for the stupidest crap: I said I thought Trump would be too old to run for office next year, as he lived an unhealthy lifestyle. That was "wishing harm or violence", like, what? I didn't voice an opinion about whether I was all happy about that or something, just simply made that statement. Then someone was joking about the Will Smith thing and something about Kid Rock and I said Hillary Clinton should be the one to slap Kid Rock. That was also horribly violent of me. I appealed and they said NO, YOu are VERY BAD, SORRY. What a waste of time. It's offensive, too. Meanwhile I've reported things like people saying vile racist insults and literally saying they want someone to die, and I get the reply that sorry, they reviewed it and the comment was fine. I'm sure the process is even worse now.
- See 2. And 3.
- They also have no interest in removing spam and scams. Every time I log in to check in on family that doesn't believe any form of contact exists outside of Facebook, I end up reporting at least 3 posts in the five minute period that I'm there for being spam/scam posts in groups

Honestly apps like Threads and Twitter should just be a containment site for these types of people. Let them be...

If threads scoops up all the people who turned twitter and reddit into celebrity gossip meme ghettos and keeps them in the shallow end of the pool then everybody wins
- I won't call em ghettos, those are concentration camps in which everyone slowly gasing themselves with toxic culture just like what shown in 4chan
- Stealing meme ghettos. Thanks.

We're this close to conservatives referring to trans people like ((this)).

I thought they went beyond that when they started calling for the "eradication" of trans people and suggesting they should face firing squads.
- No way
Nazis have always been the most progressive, referring to Jewish people as the gender neutral (((them))).

Holy shit, they launched Threads pre-enshittified. Massive time saver if you ask me.

I suspect they had to jump on it when Elon shat the bed over the weekend. Suckerberg probably saw that disasterpiece and was like "quick, spit-shine the dev build and go live!"
We're only halfway through 2023, but I already decided to make "enshittification" word of the year for me.

Actually, screw that! Make it word of the decade!

Ah I see it has already became a toxic shit hole. Need the toxic people for that sweet rage engagement.

Rage engagement...That's a good way to describe it...Now what if we combine the words...Enragement!

I've never had to block one person in my entire time on the Fediverse.

I've had to block a dozen in the first hour on Threads.

As the internet becomes more available, mass adoption leads to communities that are very unbalanced. And, more often than not, leaning towards personas we tend to avoid in real life. Reason being, the barrier to entry is not as high. Curiosity is a byproduct of education/environment and lead people to apply resourcefulness to uncover sites/forums/messageboards with like minded people. Yes, echochambers in a way, but these echo chambers were not driven by political beliefs, but rather simple mannerisms and etiquette. Toxicity on sites like Youtube, Reddit, Threads, Twitter, have increased, because Curiosity didn't drive discovery/account creation, ads or fomo did instead. Mastodon/Lemmy (Fediverse) communities, in my opinion, are still driven by curiosity. For how long, is the question I'd like to impose.

I am shocked by this turn of events. Shocked I say.

well not THAT shocked
well not that shocked
Shocked enough that I look like a puffball now. Zapped maybe. Electrocuted even.

Momsforliberty. It does not matter where they go. Pure toxic.

Klanned Karenhood
- Hoes for Hitler.

Looks like its just the Zucc's edition of Musk's Twitter.

Yep.
- Is it possible for a lawsuit to somehow ruin both the plaintiff and defendant? Or whatever they are called in civil matters.
  
  Or is it possible for it to go all the way to the supreme court and somehow result in the dissolution of the supreme court?
There's a zero percent chance I'm going to install and use Threads, but from screenshots, it looks like Twitter with Instagram's design language, which is an unimaginably vile combination.

Threads is already banned in Europe and won't withstand the scrutiny of Federation. Too many bigots. I'm certain Zuck doesn't care either way. The thing is set up as an advertising medium for the GOP. Same old Cambridge Analytica scheme repeating.

The Zuck had been a bigger threat to democracy than Russia until Russia's failed Ukraine invasion. As long as he's making more money, it's all okay.
banned or not yet released?
- Banned until further notice. Zuck would have to gut the main function of Threads before it will be allowed over there. https://techcrunch.com/2023/07/05/threads-no-eu-launch/

Why is everybody on these platforms "4 something" now? Politics isn't football, you don't pick your team and have to let everyone know about it.

They are basically corporate accounts that are payed to be bigots online. You are looking at literal astroturf and asking why it doesn't feel like grass.
If you're a racist/white nationalist you do in coded language.
- I am now 4 being a sloth, working hard is overrated.
In a place with first past the post voting, two parties will dominate and then it does become a sports game.

Two player games are fundamentally different than three or more player games, in terms of which strategies are optimal to win.
- Ranked Choice.
  
  Or STAR
  
  Or fucking anything better than what we have now.
- All the well spoken amoral greedy fuckers know exactly where to go to maximize their personal upsides from those "skills" in a system where power alternates between only two political parties.
  
  Power Duopolies created through mathematical rigging of representative allocation systems are better than outright One Party systems but not by much and certainly not Democratic or in any way close to representative of the entire interests and beliefs of millions of human beings.
  
  I've actually lived in countries with FPTP and with Proportional Vote and the way the latter countries are managed is vastly better than the former and even public discourse a lot more produtive.
I am only on a platform "for something" if that "something" is AOC. Purely for professional reason.
- No lie, her Amongus Twitch streams were pretty lit.
After over 3 decades of voting, across 3 countries, even having held beliefs all the way from what I though was "communism" (when I was little more than a kid) through neoliberalism and finally settling down to a sort of social democracy (shaped by and subservient to my principles) and having even been involved in a supposedly thinking leftwing party around here I would stay that mindless tribalism is exactly what almost the entirety of politics is nowadays.

The whole "building your on political beliefs starting from your core principles upwards, and always keeping them in mind" thing is very unusually: normally (even in that supposedly "thinking" people party) it's all about choosing sides, growing an emotional bond with your side and then just blindly waving the team's flag and unskeptically take in and parrot whatever your side's celebrities says as if they're unchallangeable truths delivered down all the way from the gods.

In fact I'm pretty pissed from discovering that most people in even that party of supposedly thinking people are little more than clubist political parrots. It does however explain why so many measures people parrot as the right thing to do are actually one-sided and in practice not anchored in the principles we're told they're suppose to promote, sometime even de facto going against them: when people are unskeptical unthinking fans of the team, they're really easy to lead by the nose by womever captures the leadership positions on that team, an sometimes said leaders aren't even purposefully manipulative, they're just nowere as bright as their small-pond celebrity status makes them think and generally have ridiculously narrow life experience and hence don't really know much about how the World works outside their tiny tiny bubble.
Everything is political. To assume otherwise if naive at best.
Politics isn’t football, you don’t pick your team and have to let everyone know about it.

It's a preservation strategy for failed ideologies.
- Mainstream parties, which are pretty much ideology-free (or as their top people often call it: "pragmatic") also relly heavilly on clubism, so I think cultivating fans not partners it's a much more widespread strategy than merely only for the "standardized political slogan packs" which are ideologies (failed or otherwise).

Clusterfuck is happening!

In my country all the influencers are announcing the same things using the same template. I wonder if it's a subsidized or monetized shill.

Aside from political views, another social network will not help anything and is only another useless app to install.

Time and time again, it has been proven that "absolute free speech" online just attracts the absolute worst kind of people.

I did expected them to fail immediately, but this is way funnier than I expected. They either need to start banning immediately and start throwing money at celebs to use Threads, otherwise no one mainstream will ever advertise there.

You mean the non-heavily moderated platforms allow for discussion on topics you care about by people who disagree with you.
- Except much like your comment, they aren't actually trying to have a good faith discussion.
- If you insist on trying to turn us all miserable and hateful again, then I think you should leave.

Well.....as long as those types are happy with that shit, it means they won't come to the fed.

Well, they do intend to federate...
They're already on the fediverse. Tens of thousands of people on thousands of servers saying things that make libsoftiktok and gaysagainstgrooming look like woke hippies.

The thing is, unlike big tech which wants you to see things that piss you off because it drives engagement and will actively put you in that situation, for the most part people tend to stick together in groups. You'll get the odd troll looking for a thrill, but overall there isn't an algorithm doing the Jerry Springer thing so other than a cheap thrill there's no point to it.

Algorithms end up being really sneaky in that regard.

Zuck is going to make it real friendly so it’s gonna be nice and safe for advertisers

so goddamn exhausting

Maybe someone can fill me in on this because I don't know anything about it. "LibsofTiktok" is clearly just a right wing actor making liberal viewpoints look stupid, yeah? No one who actually identifies as "liberal" would ever willingly call themself a "lib."

The woman behind it has become a kind of conservative celebrity. She doxxes random people, especially teachers who talk about their sexuality on TikTok and sends her minions to harass them. In the past, she has caused bomb threats to children's hospitals for providing gender affirming care. She is about as despicable as a person can be.
She is behind bomb threats to the children's hospital in Boston. She is 100% ghoul.
"LibsofTiktok" is clearly just a right wing actor making liberal viewpoints look stupid, yeah?

Yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libs_of_TikTok
This account shames liberals and calls everything "woke" used to be only TikTok.
They're not saying they are a "lib" but rather that their account is about criticizing "libs" on TikTok.

To delete your account, you will have to delete your Instagram account as well.

Good. People should delete all of their Meta accounts.

Wait, do say also have Twitter's blue V there? For god sake

That's stupid to have. It was stupid when Twitter and YouTube did it, it was stupid when Roblox did it, it is still stupid here.

Wtf is threads?

Twitter clone by Facebook. The worst part is they're implementing ActivityPub and will federate with Lemmy and Mastodon instances.
- Will they though? From what I can tell, Mastodon/lemmy users would get ad free access to threads content without turning over any personal data. If I’m not off base on that, that seems like a thing that meta is going to avoid.
  
  I don’t want trash from meta crowding up the place and would probably leave a server that federated with threads but I am pretty sure that’s never going to happen.

If kbin allows them to federate here, then I'm out of here.

Kbin allows you to block an entire instance.
- Yeah but in this particular case it really needs to happen at the instance level rather then the user level, and preferably all instances at that. It's about mitigating the damage that Meta/Facebook are going to do (to the entire fediverse as a system) more than it is about not seeing shitty low-effort racism or whatever they'll have there.
  
  If I could actually trust Meta to be benign then I'd maybe agree with you about just blocking their shit as a user, but there's just no chance of believing that about them.
- That may be so but hate groups is where I draw my line for support in general.
- It doesn't work, and besides, the privacy policy of threads lets them collect information about you if you interact with ANY of their content at least once. I recommend everyone to read the third-party app section of their policies.
It’s up to each instance. So even if kbin.social did, which I really doubt, we could just go to another kbin run by someone with a brain.

People checking into Threads this weekend be like:

I am pretty sure you can embed it like ![](link)
Let me try

Yep.
- Wow this is dope! Never could get these to work in boost for Reddit
- You can, but I've found that images posted by kbin users don't show up, so I avoid embedding since I'd prefer to know that anyone reading a post can see its content.
- Dang you can do it with gifs, until now I only embedded still images