‘We can’t confuse Hamas with all Palestinians’: Spain says amid aid review
‘We can’t confuse Hamas with all Palestinians’: Spain says amid aid review
European Union foreign ministers are due to discuss the proposed suspension of EU aid to the Palestinian territories.
It's been 17 years since the last election. Assuming only 18 and up could vote, that means only people current around 34 and up could vote. So the bulk of Palestinians didn't even have a chance to vote in that election. Not to mention that they were given the choice between a corrupt faction (Fatah) and a possible less corrupt faction (Hamas).
Go Spain.
Haven’t surveys shown that a majority of Palestinians support Hamas?
Sure but you try being killed and kicked out of your homes. I'm sure you would not like the people who are doing it either. Israel has created this mess.
I mean if you live in a country controlled by a terrorist group that kills anyone who is not their side, and someone goes to your door and asks if you support them... What would you say?
It's easy to dismiss this issue by thinking they have the same freedom of speech as we do in the west, and they can have political opinions without any repercussion.
Same can be said about north Korea.
Let's hope the majority are forced into supporting terrorists as their leaders (that sounds so wrong), but let's not fool ourselves into believing that a significant number of them don't support Hamas.
The leader of Hamas is in year 18 of his 4 year term, and no one seems to have a problem with it.
I think elections showed Vladimir Putin won with >90% of the vote.
Kim Jong Un also seems to enjoy the support of his people.
Hamas is the only group in this world standing up for the Palestinian people, so I would support them too, we're I locked up in that open air prison, my family and friends being constantly murdered for profit.
From: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine
Of the 193 member states of the United Nations, 138 (71.5%) have recognised the State of Palestine as of 31 July 2019.
Hamas are terrorists and are only using Palestinians as pawns. Hamas give the fascists in the Israeli government the justification to commit their crimes.
Is Spain offering asylum to Palestinians? Because that's the only thing that will help those people.
They have to be able to leave Gaza in order to receive asylum.
Gaza is pretty much an open air prison that you can't really leave all that easily.
It has ALWAYS been the case that the largest provider of aid to the Palestinians is ...
Israel.
It's not even close.
All these other countries, Spain included, do fuck all for the Palestinians, or anything to help solve the crisis.
The entire Gaza strip holds just 2 million people.
If the nations of the world actually wanted this over, they could open their doors to Palestinians. It would take just 20 nations each assimilating 100,000 refugees, and this nightmare would be over.
"It has always been the case that the largest provider of aid to slaves is...
Their owners.
It's not even close.
All these abolitionists do fuck all for slaves, or anything to help solve the crisis."
Israel has enforced a blockade of Gaza continually since 2007, which has effectively cut the GDP by 50%, and even after aid. 40% of the population lives in abject poverty. Unemployment is 40%. 65% of all babies are anemic. 40% of the population dont have access to sewage, and much of the area experiences power outages up to 16 hours a day. Well, it's 24 hours now since all food and electricity have been cut off.
How about those nations take all the Israelis and then Palestine can have its land? You know what, please tell me what countries would you happily sign up to have you and all of your families shipped to so that where you live can be given to some other nation that you hate?
Don’t like that idea? I wonder why
It's not so easy, again due to being in this conflict for decades, most of the people are not able to asimilate so easily and Europe had already a pretty bad experience in 2014 with the Syrian Crysis. Even if offered relocation, they most likely would end up in some kind of reservations and be isolated on relocation. The majority of Europeans are afraid of people coming from middle east.
It has ALWAYS been the case that the largest provider of aid to the Palestinians is …
Israel.
Uh... Maybe part of that is because Israel actively engineered the current situation where Palestinians don't have functional states?
The mass downvoting on comments on this thread shows that the Islamophobes are brigading.
There is literally nothing to disagree with, other than if you object to Muslim/Palestinian people existing.
53 percent of all Palestinians want Hamas to rule. Only 14 percent support the opposition party.
APPROVAL for Hamas among Palestinians was as high as 73 percent in the last few years.
So don't pretend that the majority of these people don't support those terrorists. Palestinians have been empowering and protecting terrorists for as long as any of you have been alive.
Sympathy for the innocent Palestinians is great. But let's not pretend these are a people who are all really torn up about the murder of Jewish children.
53 percent
You're referring to this article, aren't you?
Read just one paragraph further, emphasis mine:
Head pollster Khalil Shikaki, who has been surveying Palestinian public opinion for more than two decades, called it a “dramatic” shift, but said it also resembles previous swings toward Hamas during times of confrontation. Those all dissipated within three to six months as Hamas failed to deliver on promises of change.
Sadly there's not many numbers to go by. But have a later poll, some snippets:
Also notable is that Gazans continue to express disapproval of Hamas’ policies towards Israel. About half (53%) agree at least somewhat that “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution based on the 1967 borders,” a percentage that has held steady over the last three years. 59% of Gazans also agree that Hamas should give up its armed units in favor of PA officers in Gaza. Likewise, nearly two-thirds of Gazans would agree at least somewhat with the need for Hamas to preserve the cease-fire in both Gaza and the West Bank.
As well as:
Specifically, Gazans believe that Palestinians should push more against corruption in the PA and Hamas. Most (87%) of Gazans would also like Hamas and the PA to allow free and fair elections, a notable 20-point difference from West Bankers (65%) and East Jerusalemites (66%).
...so, no, short story short Palestinians aren't exactly happy about their dictators.
Nobody has else come to their aid, and they've gotten less and less from this "peace process". What Hamas did is wrong, but remove all hope from people and you'll be shocked by what they'll fall for.
Moral of the story: neither Israel nor Palestine nor any country in the middle east is serious about achieving peace that benefits both parties, so now it's up to the global community. Of course, with Israel's posture, I'm expecting them to kill all Palestinians and shrug when accused of ethnic cleansing.
What was the percentage of black Americans that support the black panthers in the 50s/60s. What was the percentage of Vietnamese people supported the Vietcong? What was the percentage of Indian people the supported their violent driven separatist during the British Raj?
And?
90% of Russians want Vlad to rule.
101% of North Koreans want Un to rule.
Gaza hasn't had an election since 2006.
Why should they be torn up when Israel bombs them and shoots them and treats them like animals and has done for decades?
Isn't that happening on both ends? At this point I don't even know if anyone can really tell who started it first, taking into consideration that it's easy to fabric any evidence and facts.
Where are you quoting these fake sounding numbers from?
We must demise EU. Go back to our sovereignty. This institution is not serving us. UA war has exacerbated racism, now this wildcard given to the zionist entity is even more disgusting.
Oh but we can. Oh but we will.
The last bit of sympathy the west had for Muslims vanished after 9/11. The US helped them out as much as it benefited them in Afghanistan against the Russians, and we had a last hurrah for Kosovo when they were being massacred by the Serbs.
But that's gone now. You've gone from slightly insular neighbours, to terrifying beardy men with hooks for hands who hate our way of life. That's Bin Laden's legacy.
Western support for Israel is far from unanimous, but our indifference to Palestine is. Israel could bomb Gaza to dust and bulldoze it into the sea, and at this point the most you'll hear from us is a stern "steady on lads".
I don’t know who exactly the “we” and “you” are referring to in your comment. But the Irish have been long been supporters of the Palestinian people no doubt due to their experience during the Troubles. I’d say the British people (not necessarily the government) support Palestine too. My brother has been to a number of pro-Palestine marches in the UK before this latest escalation of violence.
Speak for yourself.
