The US is actually going to implement a nationwide abortion ban and the measures for how it's gonna be handled are already in the works
The US is actually going to implement a nationwide abortion ban and the measures for how it's gonna be handled are already in the works
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24607393
credit for this post to :
@[email protected]
The US is actually going to implement a nationwide abortion ban and the measures for how it's going to be handled are already in the works. This bill, which I link to here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/7/text , seems ok at first glance and only seems to want to implement nationwide healthcare centers for women. But when you actually look at what these Pro Women's Healthcare Centers are and mean to offer, it becomes really clear what's going on.
On the first page of the PDF or booklet that appear when you search for the healthcare centers it is clear that they are supported by pro-life organisations and hold extreme pro-life values. And when you read the (very short) booklet it states their values and services that are to be provided. Among them is a requirement for "Abortion Pill Reversal" and encouragement for "Sterilization Reversal". The last page clearly states their values, where among them it states that:
"Abortion is not women's healthcare, because of the damage it causes to women's physical and emotional health and the destruction of unborn life, many of whom are females. Abortion is usually something women turn to when they feel they do not have another choice. This is a tragedy and the opposite of choice and empowerment."
And it goes on to list similiar values. The bill to implement these healthcare centers states that:
"That the House of Representatives—
(1) expresses its support for women nationwide to have access to comprehensive, convenient, compassionate, life-affirming, high-quality health care; and
(2) recognizes the high standards established by Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers consortium as standards worth implementing nationwide."
This means that the values that these Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers have are to be set as standards nationwide.
A link to the PDF/booklet about the Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers (PWHC): https://nacn-usa.org/wp-content/uploads/PWHC-Booklet.pdf
I drove to a friend to Kansas last year for an abortion. I still don't know if it was mine. Either way if those services weren't available then she would have suffered tremendously by having that baby. As badly as I wanted that baby to be mine it didn't matter in the end because it's her body not mine. It's a simple as that and fuck anyone that wants to take those rights away
You did the right thing, I feel for you both.
You did the right thing.
Can't have a child grow up in poor circumstances.
You all voted for this shit.
If you stayed home then you voted for this shit.
I think you will be hard pressed to find Republicans on Lemmy. There might be some, but not that many.
They didn't get more votes we provided less votes. There are absolutely US citizens on here that did not vote. This was clearly on the table. This is going to hurt, people are going to die, and we need to learn. You simply can't let somebody like that get voted in under those circumstances and then expect to be able to resist.
I voted for Harris to try to prevent these horrors out of harm reduction.
But the Neoliberals haven't given us anything to vote for for half a century.
Good cop neoliberals with affirmation ribbons/bad cop Fascists with scapegoats, both for human beings dying in the streets for the crime of no longer being able capitalist exploitation livestock in droves as a threat to laborers to produce for their shared donors.
A vote for democrats is a vote for quiet slaughter, a vote for Republicans is a vote for loud, braggadocious slaughter. We don't get a vote for peace. We don't get a vote on the economy. Only the social wedges that don't meaningfully effect quarterly earnings expectations.
Luigi tried showing us who our shared enemy is, and it isn't their revolving door middle managers in DC.
Ok states rights crowd, fuck around and find out with my states constitutional protection of abortion.
I'm really curious how California will handle that one. I would expect Newsom to fall in line as part of the protected class, but he is a politician and cares about reelection.
If trump tries to fuck around with Canada my state will secede more than likely. Canada will retaliate by shutting off our electric which would be a death sentence in the winter.
That and the abortion rights and the fact we were previously an independent republic, it’s looking like we’re going back to being independent.
state laws, including their constitutions, mean zip when federal law or the nation's constitution conflicts and takes precedence.
Not really true. States can't infringe on rights granted by the constitution but they can add rights. See: infingement of 2A rights by states and legalized cannabis at the state level, respectively. Look at federal drinking age laws. States had lower ages until the feds pressured States by witholding interstate road funding...
In this case there’s a Supreme Court decision that this issue should be left up to the states. Sure key they won’t reverse themselves so soon, right?
Guess we’re seceding.
"Pro Women’s Healthcare"
😡😡😡😡😡😡
Fucking propagandists
Something straight out of 1984. When I read the novel in high school I was naive enough to believe it would never be reflected irl to quite this degree.
yes. elections have consequences. republicans haven't been coy about wanted to outlaw abortion nationwide at the federal level. enough democrats didn't vote in the last election (mostly young people for whom these bans will effect the most, and cause the most harm) to ensure republicans now control ever branch of united states government, the legislative (both house of congress), the judicial (doj and the supreme court), and executive (the presidency). that's a clean sweep, and a wide pipe for the monsters to do just about anything they want to. congratulations.
If only liberals had self reflection to learn why the lost the election in a landslide. Nope. Blame voters!
Edit:
- no primary
- biden promised to be a one term president and lied, he’s senile and demented
- lied about inflation
- two new forever wars
- funded a genocide
- awful covid policy of “let it rip!”
- last minute push of no votes Kamala instead of holding a fucking primary to start with
- only platform is “we’re not trump”
- real platform is “nothing will fundamentally change”
- voting third party is not supporting fascism you stupid fucking liberals
- continue to refuse to change your stupid ways and continue to lose elections
- democrats didn’t do shit to stop fascism because fascism doesn’t threaten capital and they only exist to stop the left
- democrats lose on purpose so they can cynically fundraise off it
- keep voting blue no matter who and keep fucking losing
- blue MAGA be whining crying and carrying on that if you didn’t vote for fascist genocider joe that you’re a fascist! Grow up and read history you fucking babies.
- insults voters rather than listens to their concerns
- assumes everyone who didn’t vote for biden voted for trump which is logically false
- zero class consciousness and everything boils down to losing identity politics
- nobody cares that Kamala was black and indian that’s not a reason to vote for or against anyone
- nobody cares that the fighter pilot dropping bombs on brown people abroad is a black gay Jewish trans man, we want the bombing to stop!
- democrats had fifty fucking years to make roe v Wade law but instead cynically fundraised off it
- biden fucked over labor
Keep fucking crying. Never self reflect that it’s YOUR FAULT for not pushing the dems left. Never self reflect that the democrats DID THIS TO THEMSELVES.
I agree with most of what you said, but voting 3rd party in the general election really is mathematically equivalent to simply not voting.
And it's worse when it's voting 3rd party in place of voting for the least bad of the two electable parties, then (just like not voting) it's mathematically equivalent to voting for the most bad of the two parties.This is not an opinion. It's how the elections are structured, and I would very much prefer a better structure, but we don't have it and have to work with what we have.
Even in the primaries, voting 3rd party usually simply means being unable to influence the major parties - but in this case you are absolutely correct that the "primaries" were a farce.
congratulations!
I absolutely will blame voters you simpleton
For anyone that needs this information, you can (currently) order abortion medicine online in any state. I did it today and it was stupid easy to do. I'm not pregnant, but I wanted to order some as a just-in-case for myself or others.
The Plan C website has a great list of websites you can order from if you're not pregnant. It costs about $150 and some offer financial assistance if you need it. But please do it NOW.
I ordered one from Aid access and one from safe choice. Both asked a few questions that didn't ask for personal information or ID. They mostly just need an email, address to send it, and a credit/debit card to pay.
Good luck out there everyone.
Edit: just to clarify I'm not talking about plan B. I'm talking about medication meant to induce an abortion at up to 13 weeks of gestation. mifepristone and misoprostol specifically.
I’m a woman who does not have sex with men but I got myself plan b just in case of emergency like a rape.
Do you happen to know the shelf-life of the medicine? Thank you so much for that resource. Likewise, I don’t need it, but I’d like to be a help to others who may find themselves in a difficult situation.
fact sheet for Plan B One-Step says the medicine expires after four years
Interesting coincidence
Costco pharmacy near me was selling levonorgestrel emergency contraceptive for $6/dose as of a couple weeks ago.
People are being gaslit.
The rich just want more people as soldiers or workforce. Having a larger population is not a good thing for the poor people. Smaller workforce means higher wages as per the free market (supply - demand).
And the worst part is, instead of seeing this, people jump to conclude "no, we just need to distribute the resources differently", as if that's gonna happen. It's free labor market all the way, even if that means people living in poverty.
They’re going to enslave most of us, just watch.
or workforce.
Not even.
They're constantly trying to find ways to reduce staff to the absolute minimum.
Mildly infuriating?
Well, we know of course ... But, O2P (original2 poster) went for "Politics" community, in which it was deleted. Then i hastily reposted here, before it would be lost. Finally, later on someone reposted in "furiously[email protected]" but it doesn't have as much traction !
I mean, if a nation wants to fight a big war within 15 years, first they need to grow soldiers, right?
if they ban abortion and then set up a pipeline from orphanages to army then you get a lot of jackboots in 15ish years
I don't think the US flights ground wars. We're more about drones now. I'm thinking this is cheap labor for the farms once we kick out the foreigners.
Every war has had boots on the ground. Drones don't really change the need to occupy space.
And certainly not with 15 year old kids
"abortion pill reversal" sounded like bullshit to me, so I looked it up.
Here's what ACOG has to say: Facts Are Important: Medication Abortion "Reversal" Is Not Supported by Science
Currently this abortion info/help community seems defunct, but it might be worth trying to revive in some manner. I don’t have time right this moment, but it’s something I’ll look into helping with in the near future (like next week):
https://lemmy.ml/c/auntienetwork
(I’m not sure how linking on Lemmy works yet, so hopefully that comes through ok.)
Please do create an appropriate Community for this ... but preferably, not into that (---(.)ml) instance, since they have bad ways of deleting any communities that doesn't fit some of their biased ideologies.
P.S. : link like so : [email protected]
Well....now guys, we must not have sex with women. We should have clubs where we help each other thru the power of masturbation.
We're doing this for you women! And we're chopping our balls off...America's got talent never heard notes as high as we'll have in the next few years!
It's a Castrati revival!
Admittedly didn’t read the whole thing but this looks like they want to pay for pro-life centers everywhere. I don’t see anything about restricting care, except for scamming people into walking into a pro-life center pretending to be a medical center.
Even today’s partisan court has to balk at government spending money on something that appears to be religion based, right? Right?
credit for this post to : @[email protected]
Hi Denimaww,
i saw that you made the above post into the "politics" community which has rules preventing posting anything that is not based on a newspaper article. This must be why it was removed in that community and which is why i recuperated your post and gave you credit in this community here. Also, i see that you are new to Lemmy and i wish to welcome you here. This sites' learning curve could be a bit steep. Please don't hesitate to ask for advice.
Take care 😌
Nice welcoming comment
i'm quite proud of that and to having saved the (vast, detailed, artful) post just in time by :
First - - guessing that it would be deleted from the "politics" community and
Second - - to have hit the cross-posting button just in time (in the locally opened post copy on my device)i do believe that, in a future implementation of Lemmy, it would be nice if moderators could unlink a post from a community instead of deleting it. So the original poster could re_link the post to another community instead of wasting their efforts.
I see, thank you for taking the time to explain this to me! Do you know a community where I could post this instead? Like you said, I am new to Lemmy and I really wanted to spread awareness about this. Thanks in advance!!
i say this is your post : i gave you credit in the header and i invite you to take ownership by responding, at your convenience, to any top comment in this post. For each, if anyone doubt that you have ownership, i would come up with a comment to tell them that you are really the OP (original poster). To achieve this, you can call me (or any users) to a thread of comments by puting my username inside a comment ( ... @[email protected] ... )
You wanted to spread awareness and your post here got 300 upvotes until now. This is excellent in term of Lemmy viewership. You also got plenty of comments : if you want to go through those, i believe you got beautiful impact. (do not give too much credit to negative comments as there always be those for anyone on any subjects)
The choice of a community for posting is an art that one develops by using Lemmy. But, a first step is to read (in one community that you target) what are its rules for posting in there.
if only the government had an 'efficiency' expert on staff.. one would expect their evaluation of this proposal to be something like this:
we already have a long-time, trusted nationwide network of health care clinics.. for women (and men).. that provides reproductive care (and more). absolutely no sense in reinventing the wheel, when this one has been going for 108 years. the easiest, cheapest, and most efficient thing to do would be to toss them some federal funds every year, let them provide the care that's needed--where it's needed, and stay the fuck out of the exam room and out of their way.
That’s it! In getting sterilized.
The booklet has the "encouraged" procedures section where they state "sterilization reversal" which is just wild
Soon, a sterile breeding age person will be labelled an unproductive useless eater and the department of efficiency will remove you from the payroll of life.
I got snipped and it was the on of the best days of my life. Definitely something you need to go into understanding how permanent it is, but if you definitely don't want kids I cannot recommend it enough.
This is not hippocratic or woman centred and you said tremendous twice within ten words you crazy sods.
They meant hypocritical
Funny how a few months ago it was all about letting States decide...
They only care about state's rights, when they're not in power...
Americans voted for this, so i guess they get what they wanted
pro-women, pro-women, pro+women!
Pro-life
House resolutions aren't binding law. They may want to ban abortion, they may try in the next 4 years, but this is not what that is.
accidentally takes abortion reversal pill
gets pregnant
I wonder if it works on men too
Wow it's almost like the dems did less than nothing about this for 4 years.
I'm glad you're blaming the dems, because surely that will help anything.
It will actually.
In its current form the dems are a center-right republican-lite party. They serve the same oligarchs the Rs do.
You see that in the policies they push and support. Or rather, the lack of policies. They don't do anything constructive that would actually help people unless it's a PR stunt when they need a little boost. And even then they lash it down with narrow scope and means testing.
They are supposed to be the opposition. As in oppose. But they don't. They refuse to. And they actively work to keep people who want to work for the good of the people out of positions of influence. If the dems wanted to, they would never lose an election again. But they don't want to.
Do you know why we have term limits? It's because the populist policy and social programs instituted by FDR made him so popular he was elected to 3 terms as president. Minimum wage, labor laws, social security, etc.
I seriously doubt that. It's rabble rousing.
I'd say you haven't been paying attention but I just read another comment you made on another post in which you admire the power of the Nazi salute via its roman origins.
So, I'm going to assume you're just polluting the well.
who exactly are you calling the rabble ?