Also, in b4 fascists start pretending like the Stalinist bootlicker Thalmann hadn't spent the past half-decade backstabbing and burning bridges with the SPD, which had previously been cooperative with the KPD after the establishment of the Weimar Republic.
Reading though the comments, I have to say… I’m so glad you have the tolerance to argue with these kids about this. I bow before your seemingly infinite patience.
No no no, I'm sure we can build a better government from the ashes of our current resources, which we burnt down while gaining nothing in the process /s
Right, because if there was enough support for your stance that you could ensure it would prevail in the post collapse struggle, then you could almost certainly achieve it with democratic support instead.
I mean it is like wanting the cold war to end with nuclear weapons. No one wins and we all die. Even the preppers who built bunkers back then would not survive for long, and this is assuming they survive the initial blasts.
I don't like these "polemic" definitions. I neither like the marxist-leninist definition (everything not socialism is fascism) nor the idea that any state-socialism is fascism, even if it becomes authoritarian or totalitarian.
What I call socialists who insist on principles and advocate for supporting fascism is "stupid entitled children". But they are not really the problem. We just saw in France that the centrists there rather cooperate with fascists than with socialists.
Collapse theory is fundamentally a privileged take. It is a position that is impossible to accept without either the assumption that you'd survive, or the assumption that the disproportionate harm to the disadvantaged is worth it for your end goals even if you die too.
Either way, you're declaring that your paradise can and should be built over the bodies of the disemprivileged, and are automatically wrong and a horrible person for even being able to think that way.
You are the exact kind of monster that built the colonialist model of Israel, just insisting that your nation built on the bodies of the innocent will be a more moral one somehow.
Collapse theory is fundamentally a privileged take
It's definitely a white-male-privileged take in the US.
It also just doesn't make sense from a logistics sense -- You want to address the current set of big problems by ... creating more big problems to address with the same/less resources and organizations? Some that are more time sensitive than others?
Honestly, the appeal of accelerationism to me is that it pretty much just requires me to give up.
I don't think i'm the only one with a looming anxiety that capitalists are too entrenched to be defeated, that i can't stop the ongoing collapse of society; well if i believe in accelerationism, then i don't have to, the collapse becomes desireable if i can convince myself that a better world will emerge on the other side. It's faster and easier to let society destroy itself than it is to built.
While my privilege is undeniable, subjectively, my emotional experience of accelerationism is one of giving up and relaxing. Which, you know, would feel nice sometimes.
So i know at least one source of accelerationist sentiment is rooted in fatigue and impatience, i know that because it's the one i experience. The answer is an ongoing realization that progress is incremental.
I wouldn't cut things off at a half decade. A little more than a decade prior the German communist leadership were killed by military companies in coalition with the SPD, and then those same military groups tried to overthrow the SPD government, but the SPD ended up compromising with the coup uprising anyway.
So understandably the extrajudicial slayings of German's communists sort of formed a schism between the SPD and the KPD. This all but assured any remaining communist power or authority in Germany had to look to the barely formed USSR for support: they'd literally fled there with their lives.
The important context is this period includes the aftermath of World War 1 where the German Empire collapsed and with the loss of centralized government and authority, communes and provisional governments were being formed all across Europe. There were also mercenary groups wanting to abolish the Republic and restablish the monarchy.
I wouldn’t cut things off at a half decade. A little more than a decade prior the German communist leadership were killed by military companies in coalition with the SPD,
Yes, after trying to coup the government before elections could be held. Funny how tankies and their apologists always leave that out.
and then those same military groups tried to overthrow the SPD government, but the SPD ended up compromising with the coup uprising anyway.
"Compromising" here meaning "If you surrender we'll give you amnesty". Wow, what an astounding compromise.
Funny how tankies and their apologists always leave that out.
How is highlighting the aftermath of World War 1 and that context leaving it out? Specifically in the attempt to include the anarchy of post war Europe is hardly a nefarious or intentional omission. Don't mistake calling out a truncated timeline as a call for another one. I am refrencing the roving bands of militant monarchists seeking to overthrow the nascent republic and you're missing that?
The critical issue is Ebert (who inherited authority from the monarchy initially) made a coalition with the Freikorps to allow the Weimar republic to inherit the separate governance for the military that existed in the Reich. That was instrumental and core to the issue. The organization and governance of Germany military until, like, NATO, was extremely hostile to democracy itself, amd surprisingly also a critical barrier to german communism in any form, be it spartacist, stalinist, or whatever.
Ebert making his pact with Groener after being given power, but before elections, shouldn't be overlooked either. Pact in November 1918, extrajudicial slayings by Freikorps a week before the January 1919 elections.
"Compromising" here meaning "If you surrender we'll give you amnesty". Wow, what an astounding compromise.
Yes, this is the historical context. Compare to the level of amnesty given to communists who were summarily executed.
The failure of the proletariat revolution to succeed in Europe, especially in Germany, left Russia as the only successful revolution. The shift away from permanent revolution by the trotsky wings into stalins 'socialism in one country' was a response to what happened primarily in Germany and Hungary. It should be of no surprise communists in Germany by the 30s were following the USSR line.
if democrats really cared about ppl voting, they would be introducing proportional representation (eg ranked choice) electoral reforms rather then blaming voters for knowing exactly what the democrats are...
that said... hold your nose and go vote if you are in a swing state.
if democrats really cared about ppl voting, they would be introducing proportional representation (eg ranked choice) electoral reforms rather then blaming voters for knowing exactly what the democrats are…
There's been considerable momentum towards ranked choice reform in the US in the past few years, most of it through the Dems.
People don’t pay attention and completely ignore their local elections in favor of national. People need to focus more on the local before expecting national changes.
They currently don't have the necessary majority in Congress to pass such legislation. The legislation has been proposed, but if the Dems don't control Congress it's not going to happen.
So even if you aren't in a swing state you might want to go out and vote down ballot if you want ranked choice voting.
Also proportional representation is a whole different thing from ranked choice voting.
Ah yes because as we know the SPD working with the Nazis was ok because it was a united coalition. Today we're all expected to vote for this Facist Lite™ liberal because? And after decades of "harm reduction" and slowly giving ground to the right what harm has been reduced? It seems to me that this country is dying a slow and painful death while the Liberals are too ignorant to notice it.
The SPD literally backed Hindenburg, what the hell are you talking about. It seems to me like you're spewing historical revisonism and claiming anyone who calls you out is a "tankie".
which had previously been cooperative with the KPD after the establishment of the Weimar Republic.
Famously the SPD didn't work together with fascists to create the kill squads that murdered Rosa Luxemburg.
To reiterate what I said the last time centrists acted revisionist about this shit, nobody in history has been more vindicated than Ernst motherfucking Thalmann. Social Democrats are objectively the moderate wing of fascism and they enthusiastically participated in suppressing everyone to the left of them until there was nobody left and the Nazis decided it was their turn.
Famously the SPD didn’t work together with fascists to create the kill squads that murdered Rosa Luxemburg.
Famously, the Spartacus Uprising was definitely a democratic movement and not an attempt to seize the government by force before democratic elections could be held. /s
But hey, tankies love coups and hate democracy, so it's unsurprising that fascism, to you, means 'having elections'.
Famously, the Spartacus Uprising was definitely a democratic movement and not an attempt to seize the government by force before democratic elections could be held. /s
There was a general strike! Millions of people participated! It failed in large part because the Communists weren't ready for it and their leadership was too paralyzed in the moment to actually seize power!
But please continue to just imagine what historical events were like instead of picking up a book and learning about them.
I’m expecting people here to be anti genocide and showing the contradiction in calling actual protesters fascist.
But clearly not everyone is anti genocide since there are still quite a lot of people who believe that Israel has the right to steal Palestinian land and kill Palestinian civilians indiscriminately (Harris & Trump do, most politicians in most European countries do as well)
If, in a saw-esque limited outcome system, you use your action to better the chances of turbo-genocide-fascist trump, then I have beef with the true motivations of such an "anti genocide protester."
You know that the people saying that the democratic party has to earn their vote are for a large portion muslims who can not vote for a party that will continue funding a genocide right? I find it appalling that instead of calling the people who are currently funding the genocide fascist, you are actually calling those people that are protesting against the genocide fascist.
Who are you going to vote for that will stop supporting genocide? Do you think any President will force divestment from Israel? Or end the massive influx of Chinese goods through Walmart and Amazon?
When there is no option to vote against genocide you turn to the streets. What have you done to stop the genocide? Shame other people for not voting for the party that will continue funding a genocide?