Texas doubles down in unprecedented border dispute with federal government
Texas doubles down in unprecedented border dispute with federal government
Twenty-five Republican governors are backing Gov. Abbott's stance.
As someone who is trapped down here with these lunatics... please send help...
I'm trapped here, too! While I'm not happy about the situation, I'm incredibly excited to see all of my old history teachers get shit on when Texans find out that:
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While we CAN split into 5 states, we CANNOT form our own country without repercussions. The concept of Texas returning to its own country is not in any constitution nor agreement. While there is an agreement that we can become multiple states, it's redundant when compared to Article IV, Section 3 of the US freaking Constitution.
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We're not the only state that was once it's own country. Hell, Hawaii was not only its own sovereign nation, it was a fucking kingdom. Other than being the biggest, dumbest, and drunkest, no part of our previous classification before joining the Union is special considering that Vermont was its own country 40% longer than we were.
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As long as we're dispelling ignorant Texas myths, no we're not the only state who can fly their flag at the same height as the US flag. Literally any state can. They're called flag codes and they're insanely easy to find and read. You'll find that most self-avowed "patriots" tend to breach the most flag codes.
There's no such thing as "Texas pride" anymore. It's all been replaced with ignorance and disrespect. The last time we got drunk and punched our landlord in the face, we spent 10 years boisterously bragging about how cool it is to be dirty and homeless while quietly crying to our northern neighbor and begging them to bring us in off the streets. And while we told everyone that one of things that made us so cool was how hard we shit our pants when we
defeated Mexicogot abandoned by Mexico like a parent too disappointed in their child to even argue anymore, we got so desperate for a new mommy or daddy that we considered going home with anyone who made the mistake of looking at us while walking by:But even while coming to prize independence, Texas found itself weak and bankrupt, newly menaced by a Mexico that never recognized her right to exist. With historical repercussions that can only be guessed at today, the country’s leaders seriously considered taking Texas into the British Empire.
So, to our future Piss Baby in Chief, I dare you to try. My city alone has a shocking number of military bases and I'm sure any one of them can easily get foreign-leader-killing drones in the air within seconds of having a new enemy holding US troops hostage.
I’m excited for the wannabe domestic terrorists in West Texas to realize that sparsely vegetated and habituated scrubland is a drone operator’s ISR wet dream to thwack pickup convoys, and have a public come-to-Jesus moment before decrying this pointless dick measuring contest. Any kind armed rebellion without near total collapse of the federal government, is a fantasy
I’m also trapped. We should group up.
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A non-amicably seceded Texas is doomed as a country. No food, drugs, or medical supplies from the rest of the country. No parts to repair their oil wells or vehicles (made by businesses in other states). Companies like John Deere would be forced to brick all equipment in Texas. Then the US government imposes sanctions on any country doing business with Texas, and businesses outside Texas are restricted from doing business in Texas. Nobody comes to their rescue when the power grid fails in an ice storm or a hurricane blows through the state.
Face it. States are too interdependent to cut ties with the rest of the country.
Brexit showed us that situation like this the 'bigger person' in the conflict will try not to starve millions of people to death and will not simply cut them off. We as individualise would surely like to see Brits/Texans suffer all the consequences but politicians are usually more pragmatic than this and have to think long term. Turning Texas into 3rd world country wouldn't do any good to anyone. Blocking supplies as some sort of collective punishment would simply be immoral.
Of course they are not going to secede but if they did they would still get all the supplies they need. Their economy would suffer greatly but they would just blame US and keep going.
I mean, we've also seen a lot of cases of the exact opposite. It's entirely a question of which position is held to be long term better not just to the parties in question, but to the actual politicians as well.
The UK is more valuable to the EU as a less favorable trading partner than as a pariah, and there was no plausible way for the EU to convince it's members that there was any course to take other than letting them leave exactly as fast as the treaties said they could.
They made it about as painful as they could while fulfilling their treaty obligations.There is no defined legal mechanism for a state to leave the union. There's no long term incentive for politicians to create one. There's no individual incentive for one either, at the national level.
Punishing secessionists to maintain precedent would be the only viable move for any politician.
Of course you don't let them starve, but you also don't let ships into your territorial waters near areas with violent insurgents, and you warn your neighbors that trade will suffer if they're found to be supplying said insurgents.It's literally the position of the US government that secession is not possible, not just "not permitted".
States didn't seceed during the civil war, they were never their own country, and any treaties or legal actions taken by their supposed governments have no weight.Don't look at it through the lens of "how would the US treat the new nation of Texas", but "how would the US treat the armed rebels in the state of Texas".
I would absolutely expect Texas to throw a fit that they would be treated like a foreign country that now has to do trade deals and visas and shit rather than just a cool super state that can do whatever they want.
If you or anyone would like to see Brits or Texans 'suffer their consequences' for a minority of misinformed people deciding the future of their state, you need to get some empathy and perspective. Texans haven't voted for this, and 17 million people decided Brexit for a country of nearly 70 million.
Nothing would make me happier than to see those braindead republicans catch the car, so to speak. They have absolutely no foresight whatsoever, they just think they can pray for a viable government into existence. Texas is such a joke and they think all the other states are just jealous they aren't Texas, lol embarrassing.
Texan here. The vast majority of us don’t want to secede and think this is crazy. Please don’t curse us along with the monsters that are ruining our lives.
And before the “just move” train starts, a lot of us would like to, but we need access to our current support systems to survive, and can’t detangle our lives from our area at the drop of a hat.
I think if Texas does secede it will still have trade partners. I have a feeling it would ironically be Mexico and even China could mix in Russia in there too. Basically anyone who hates USA.
It's like how Canada and America are so interdependent and ... Wait a sec.
Sedition is it?
They're trying to provoke a reaction that they can sell to their media-fueled-paranoid Christonationalists to drive them to the polls.
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They should react, because ignoring this line-toeing is what causes them to just be bolder next time. Remember when all the Republican calls for banning abortion were just rabble rousing for political benefit and they didn't really mean it? Trump telling his followers to fight? Republicans saying trans people are molesting kids?
Ignoring their provocation isn't winning 5D chess, it's paving the way to actual violence. If a state says they're going to block the federal government and calls for aligned states to send troops to support them, you need to shut that shit down.
Yeah, make up a fake cause and then brag to your base about how good of a job you're doing tackling it.
Full blown treason at this point.
It's a Texas owned park. The Feds are claiming it for a processing area.
That's where Texas appears to be staking their claim: it's ours and you can't take it under the Constitution.
Everything else is people on both sides dreaming up fantasy scenarios with little basis in what's likely. Yes, Texas will continue to escalate, but they aren't going to try to secede.
From the article:
"On Friday, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton refused the federal government's request for access to the border and demanded proof that the federal government has the authority to turn a Texas park into a port of entry. "
I know Texas is picking and choosing the framing, but the above is what the AG (corrupt as he may be) is saying. Because he needs to win a case.
This whole thing is political theater. Literally half a mile down the road from the park the wall is open and immigrants are able to freely cross. Immigrants who cross the border aren't clueless or aimless either; the vast majority head straight to a DHS checkpoint to start the asylum process. This is because most people crossing are literally just trying to seek a better life by working the jobs Americans refuse to do for pay that's higher than what they could earn in their home countries. Additionally, while reports of increased numbers of people crossing the border are true, so is the opposite. People are leaving at almost the same rate. It's crazy how people don't see that immigration is a made up issue.
So the largest threat to the United States is Gregory Abbot...
#alwaysHasBeen
I'm not JAG, but article 142 seems to apply to the Texas State Guardsmen. They're following unlawful orders.
So why can't Texas form its own country?
I kinda understand that Benjamin Franklin in a god and he wrote something, and the words of the messiah's is infallible or something. I get that's it is written somewhere, that's not what I'm asking.
So I don't mean that. I mean doesn't america always bang on about people being able to govern themselves rather than been forced into another government they don't want to be a part of. Like if 60% or hell even 100% of texans wanted to be their own country. Doesn't stopping that go against the fundamental defining block of America.
Couldn't that just get voted on and passed?
I kinda understand that Benjamin Franklin in a god and he wrote something the words of the messiah's work is infallible or something. I get that's it is written somewhere, that's not what I'm asking.
What in the world are you talking about about here?
9 times out of 10 when you talk to an American about something they say "you can't do that because the constitution says X, Y, Z". It always reminds me of Muslims, Jews or Christians talking about their holy books.
Most other nationalities make arguments based on some logic, or reason. If there is a law that stops them they talk about changing it, that isn't an issue. But for Americans the constitution is something that is almost holy. They make arguments based on the fact that the constitution says something not because of any reasoning behind it.
But I'm not American so the argument more often than not falls flat. It's kinda relevant now but that's not what I want to know.
I'll actually rephrase the sentence, in the orginal post as it's a bit crap.
The moment Texas seriously considers leaving, every business would immediately pull up and leave. There are huge companies in Texas that would pull out to avoid the drama and fascism awaiting a "free" Texas.
Texas Instruments would just become New Mexico Instruments, not a big change. :)
Well that's a different issue.
I'm not sure it would be as drastic as that because there is lots of oil and with things like Brexit not everyone left.
But just the concept of leaving seems like that is what America is about. The Americans even put self-determination into the UN.
Are you under the strange impression that Benjamin Franklin wrote the U.S. Constitution?
Same reason my child can't declare their bedroom as their own legally separate house
That's uncomparable. You are saying Texans are unable to choose what they do in life. That sounds like prison. So if your child becomes an adult grows up and wants a place of his own, bearing in mind for this analogy to work there must only be one house as you can't just make more land. You still own where he lives and what he does? He doesn't have equal control as you, sounds like he's born into slavery.
Legal experts in the US consider the idea of a state seceding from the USA to be a closed question. There is no legal route to secession. The state of Texas would have to go to war with the US to enforce them seceding. It would fail, and abbot would be tried for treason and be sentanced to death.
I know that may sound overblown but it's pretty open and shut, legally speaking
Because Texas, like every other part of America, doesn't belong to just the people that live there, it belongs to all Americans.
While everyone has the right to leave America if they don't like it, they don't get take part of America with them when they go.
Your forgetting it's a country founded on hypocrisy.
I mean doesn't america always bang on about people being able to govern themselves rather than been forced into another government they don't want to be a part of.
Because any country supports only stuff that benefits them. And the states is no different. Do you really think USA cares about democracy and sovereignity in the middle east?
They only protect their own interests and Texas secession is against these interests: If Texas would get it's sovereignity, what's stopping other 50 states from doing the same?
I think this is it.
I agree with you. But don't Americans feel like they should go for it? That's what confuses me
