Fuck fascism mkay
I hope the nazis do stay out because I was really excited for voat for about a day until it became nazi town
You can't hope they stay out. Admins and moderators have to take active steps to push them out. I want to give some kudos to lemmy.world for getting out in front of this, and I want to name and shame sh.itjust.works for having a vote in their agora community almost a week ago and then proceeding to do nothing
I received a modest amount of downvotes on the big R for saying something similar.
I also commented (well, asked a rhetorical question but definitely got answers) here a couple of days ago that places that claim to be for free thought and expression tend to be full of either harmful garbage or nonsense conspiracy theories.
All it's going to take is one instance that isn't defederated with a jailbait community or someone with a poorly trained militia planning an act of terrorism to get Lemmy or kbin painted with the "great place for pedos" or "Nazi haven" brush.
I think I saw a post about how punk bars have an absolute 0-nazi policy because there isn't a real between a bar with nazis and a nazi bar. Other people will leave, nazis will realize they're safe there.
I think the thing that makes lemmy and kbin difficult concepts for normies will also protect it from blanket association with nazis if one instance is infiltrated. Most people don't fully understand the distinction between the shared protocol and a site's domain.
People might think "lemmy is full of nazis", but it won't mean anything to them if I say i'm hanging out on midwest.social. To them it'll just sound like a regional blog website.
Thankfully we (by we I really mean the wonderful volunteers running these instances) seem to have largely dodged that bullet thus far, but we (and now I actually mean we) can't rely on luck forever.
I was looking forward to Voat but all the hateful/pedo subs migrating to it were bound to turn it into a cesspool.
Sounds a lot like Minds
How I felt about Gab until they did the same and quickly. Like the mods and administrators were nazi and racist too.
Wasn't voat created because reddit was banning hate subs?
No, it was just where the people from those subs decided to go and ruin.
Just let them have their of naziverse. I don't want to see it.
I’m a bit out of loop, are there more info to share about?
Lol thats perfect. Link for the uninitiated:
"blackconservative"
Does Lemmy have an "r/asablackman" sub yet? Because I'm getting that vibe.
If you're gonna make your username your political identity, I already don't want yo talk to you.
He literally called referred to himself as Blackman in one of his responses to me. No not "black man", but "Blackman". Maybe just a typo but his responses were hilariously sad and I wish I screenshotted it.
I don't know if @[email protected] is actually black but if he is... good lord.
I've noticed this person multiple times making similar posts on various sh.itjust.works internal communities and constantly getting downvoted into oblivion. They're a disgrace.
It says post not found
Is there a running list of bigot instances that I can block?
There is! Browse by instances like lemmy.blahaj.zone/instances, beehaw.org/instances or lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances. They have the most up to date list of people-commonly-disagreed-with-by-lefties. You can start blocking right away 😊
The problem with these lists is that people sneak things on to them.
I’m an admin on (and owner of) lemmy.ninja. We have clear anti-harassment rules, up front, in bold, front page. We have zero bots (checked daily). We have users that are LGBTQIA+. I have zero tolerance for bigotry.
Yet our site is on the lists provided.
Apparently it doesn’t matter (the lists don’t work) because all of my cross posts (from my boomer shooter community) are available on beehaw.org in their gaming section.
So these lists can be used as weapons, if they work. When thy don’t work they are just an indictment without evidence.
Lemmy in!
Please Lemmy off Mr. Huffman's wild ride!...
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['Let me in' - a two panel image of a man standing outside a closed metal gate, and shaking it vigorously in the second panel. This variant has the face of a yelling Adolph Hitler placed over the usual face in the meme, and a Nazi symbol swastika is placed on the person's left arm in the first panel. The fediverse logo, a rainbow pentagram, is positioned over the gate in the first panel]
LET ME IN
LET ME INNNNNN!!!
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Good human
I love that this is being continued here. Where are y'all organizing?
As of right now, I'm transcribing freelance. I'm not sure if or when an organized effort will move to Lemmy.
as a jewish person.. all i have to say is what the fuc
It's the internet, there's Nazis everywhere. I got to see how they work (on the internet) because they converted a long time acquaintance of mine. I'm going to start working on some mod tools to help shut their bullshit down once work stops being a shitnado.
Good
Fuck the nazis
NEIN!
Who knew distributed social media would be such a good idea
Put all the Nazis in one Instance. Then, defederate them.
Provide the URL to the hate crimes division and the January 6th panel
That sounds like a good plot for this series I had an idea about two nerdy gaming professionals who try to start their own company.
Gab users be like
unfortunately there are a ton of fascists and fascist instances on fedi
We're making fun of the people. They're welcome to use the fedi, and it's for everyone. But they're still dumbass Nazis lol. We defederate because we don't want to hear their same copy&paste racist talking points over and over.
Can I just say, I love the immediate response by admins. I didn't even see the other posts before this one.
I'm out of the loop and still new to Lemmy, what happened?
Huge drama surrounding instances that have a major far-right presence and certain instances cutting connections (defederating), while others aren't (staying federated).
I like how someone put it in another thread. From the "defederaters," The argument most seen is: "if there's a nazi at the table and you say nothing, it's a table full of nazis." The most common counter-argument is "it's actually like a stadium full of people with some nazi's in the corner jerking themselves off." From the "federators," the most common argument is "defederation defeats decentralization," and the most common counter to this is simply: "fuck off nazi!"
I find the whole situation quite extraordinary to see unfold and be a part of.
We have both extremes actually, both ultra left and right. Both got defederated by some major instances.
They probably won’t ever stay fully out, since anyone can make an instance, just up to mods and individuals to block them and not federate with obvious natzi communities.
Utopia has always been a process, never a destination. You will never be able to elect humans that will act in your interests forever. You must stay alert and aware of the happenings around you and constantly advocate for yourself and those who can't.
Out of the loop. Can someone give me a short explanation?
The instance at exploding-heads.com got defederated from by a lot of instances and among them the largest one lemmy.world
It happened due to them allowing hatespeech like "tranny faggot". Top post now is complaining about how the rest is sensitive libs and in the same breath call "Joe Biden is a pedo". They're throwing a tantrum about how they're getting cancelled because they can't smell the shit under their own shoe.Sorry for hijacking your comment, it's the first one that popped up for me when I opened this thread.
If you're just discovering this post, trust me, it's not worth reading. The comments are 50% nazis and 50% morons. There is no discourse ahead, only name calling, denouncing, whataboutism, and some really fucked up thoughts and people. You don't need this in your day. You already know that nazis are bad, and nazis aren't the only bad people. Go to illegallysmolcats instead
I leave for like two days and shit’s going on without me
***Without me? ***
Hetzjagd auf Nazis! Sie sind Abschaum.
I like the mythic quest approach
Steiner!
What mastodon instance do you moderate? Asking for myself as someone who isn't into Nazis and hate speech.
Good, they can go back to WW2 GMOD RP like the rest of the edge lords
Let me innn
Nein!
Lol
Nein du
tja
Keep the Nazis out. with flames and force is necessary. Both online & in real life.
May I
Is there any problem with the statement that the far-left is trash and sucked as much as the far-right? Ever heard of horseshoe theory? Any books or someone's enlighten ideas are helpful for completing my incompleteness.
Is there any problem with the statement that the far-left is trash and sucked as much as the far-right?
Only if you don't have an issue lying, if you're fine with lying, I guess you wouldn't have an issue saying that...
Ever heard of horseshoe theory?
Yeah, it's that thing trumpers and "moderates" constantly talk about. There's no logic or facts to back it up, but they sure love repeating it.
I have a question tho, why are your only two comments talking about how "nazis aren't really that bad"?
Sorry. Your assumptions about no logic and facts for the mentioned theory just made me lazy for engaging any debates (you can totally be right to think that theory being nonsense and I am well pleased to grant you for being correct with your thinking). Moreover, you should read my comments carefully again. I am condemned for both far left and far right ideology. I don't take sides. After reading my comments, if you still want to treat me like those Nazis, then I am sending my apologies and wishing you good luck for your future endeavors.
activitypub is bad and dumb
As long as I found the Nazi disturbing, the "denialism" in Tianmen square massacre or gulag or Ussr stalin purge or Uyghurs genocide from the far-left ideology is as much disturbing as the same from the far-right one. Just because this instance seems leftish and anti-Nazi, it doesn't leverage itself to a better position.
Neither of those are denied by anyone here, shoo
Make sure the mods don't read it
Yeah extreme ideologies are bad, but instead of talking left vs right, which is pointless as you are trying to comp genocidal maniacs against eachother. They are all totalitarian evil, we put extra labels on so we can pick sides.
how about we consider why groups want control over your life. The left cares for society and group rights, the right cares for individual rights. I could argue the value of both, but we are overpopulated and the desires of the individual shouldn't be valued greater than that of a society, our environment, quality of life, right to health and security from violence and economic greed. Im not saying the left is good at what they do but at least they try to manage the mess instead of arrogantly assuming market forces, churches or the metaphysical can or will solve peoples unnecessary suffering.
Sorry just because you (or "we") would love to put labels to pick sides, it doesn't mean I belong to your described "labels" or "sides" because I treat far left and far right are the same. Maybe some political compasses can help. I don't take sides. I agreed with the problems you think. Maybe you can try to stop putting labels (or picking sides) so that it might help to provide for some perspective angles. Wish you the best
The tankies have been here for a while so it's only a matter of time.
Tankies aren't nearly as harmful as Nazis, they don't make communities unsafe. You can disagree with a tankie and that's the end of it. With Nazis, it's completely different.
I don't know there's lots of people in these ML Utopias that would big to differ with you on that. As someone who tends more LM myself. Marxist Leninists are a very real threat and shouldn't be simply brushed off. You're not wrong and saying that they are not the same type or intensity of threat as Nazis. But given enough control and power many of them are ready and eager to assassinate/slaughter etc those they disagree with. It's more a difference of numbers. In the United States we've been indoctrinated and miseducated about socialism for over 100 years. To where people reflexively recoil at any mention of socialists good or bad. They don't really differentiate. To them all socialists are bad. Whereas over the last 100 years Nazism was modeled over groups here in the United States. Who've been in power and existed throughout all that time. If that ratio changed we would be much more concerned about the ML.
the comments, man. you people are a bunch of maoists
some of you need to stop calling everything you don't like a nazi
What if I don't like Nazis?
Some of you need to get away from the Nazis before they start burning.
Consider this-the majority of people aren't using it incorrectly , just to describe people you like?
A lot of the ones I've seen defederrated were straight up white supremacists/anti-LGBQT/etc and deserved it.
Okay, we'll call it "woke" instead.
B-but my disagreement is big! They're clearly fascists.
Left wingers and calling everyone that slightly disagrees with them "literally hitler" name a better duo.
"We want to kill minorities" is not a difference of opinion.
Allowing actual Nazis to have a platform in a public space is Nazism.
You’re just salty because you don’t like when people call you out on it. Just go join their instance and be among your peers and leave everyone else alone.
Allowing actual Nazis to have a platform in a public space is Nazism.
Exaclty. "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.” - Desmond Tutu
Right wingers/"centrists" regarding disinformation, populism, fear-mongering, and hatred as mere different opinions?
