This is awesome!

Where's the fighting?

I'm guessing they were referring to the defederation issues that came up.
- Yeah mostly this. Also there seems to be some friction between the old guard and the Fledditors.
No you shut up!
I’m wondering the same
There isn't any, some people like to create drama where none exists
🥊

You taking to me? Or chewing a brick???

'Coz you gonna lose your teeth eitherway.
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throws chair
At the moment everyone has a common enemy, so infighting would only hurt us all. If/when that common enemy becomes irrelevant, then we will start to test our unity.

That's why I like this place. Feels very old school somehow. And it's an actual protocol, like back before everything was the same handful of companies running everything with their own BS software.

It really does feel a lot like the old forums are back, but now they can talk to each other. This should have happened a decade ago!
To me it feels pretty much like reddit so far. Maybe I've just gotten very good at ignoring reddit's corporate bullshit though.
- At least every third post isn’t a flagrant ad poorly hidden as “this cool thing I discovered, you might find it cool too!”
kinda reminds me of the old internet when no one knew wtf was going on and everyone was just doing weird shit for fun
- Okay but how do I not do weird shit for three days straight?
Who will be accountable for abuse in the future? How does legal apply to cross-federated occurrences?
- I've been wondering this. If a comment contains illegal content, which is possible in some cases, and blame can be extended beyond the commenter to the content provider, which is also possible, then is every instance the comment federates across culpable?
The freedom of expression is relieving and oddly something I forgot existed. There has been so much censorship and polticial correctness that it has ruined what made the old internet fun.

I would love to see Youtube be next in federation migration!

This place is fantastic. I'm still working on convincing my husband that it's going to take the place of Reddit but I'll wear him down. He thinks because a lot of the posts only have a few comments and 20 or so up votes, it's not a valid community. I think it's just getting started and it's exciting to be here early.

- we're now at 500 upvotes and a custom meme!
  
  @mindfultameprison 's husband: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
I'm really enjoying the relative lack of content and what feels like an absence of astroturfing or bot content and votes. Way less dillholes and the interactions I see are generally meaningful and kind. I'm slowly building my subscription list of communities and can check in on top posts for the day in the morning and evening. I really felt a compulsion to read most of the posts for the day on my few favorite subreddits (mostly picture based so lots of cool shit to look at and get inspired by). I have those communities set up in an RSS feed for when I'm looking to scroll through stuff.
- This may sound like a stupid question, but how do you find communities? Is there a list or anything?
I remember Reddit days when 5k upvotes was off the charts.
- I remember when they switched the formatting of vote numbers, e.g., from 5,238 to 5.2k, and realized it’s getting mainstream (which is not bad in itself, but... there’s something with a small community).
Any community is a valid community, if there's 20 upvotes that's still 20 people who saw, enjoyed, and gave it some time, and that matters on the modern internet where there's a bit more gatekeeping than usual!
It is not as resourceful for asking a specific technicial question, but other than that, I am actually enjoying the smaller communities. It feels a lot more civil.
- I think over time it will be. Usenet used to hold the body of knowledge, then it was fora and then reddit.

Not sure where you’re hanging out that you’re seeing infighting.

Also, I’ve been living in the Internet you describe since 1990. All it takes is intentionally saying no to the corporate offerings; there have been self-hosted and crowd-hosted communities the entire time.

Every once in a while I miss Fidonet though.

Fidonet was dope. Something magical about dialing (mostly) local and being able to see stuff so far flung it would cost you hundreds in long distance premiums normally.

Even if you weren’t a hacker in the modern sense, it was such a good hack in the old school sense that you couldn’t help but feel 1337.
Also, I’ve been living in the Internet you describe since 1990. All it takes is intentionally saying no to the corporate offerings; there have been self-hosted and crowd-hosted communities the entire time.

Yha, advertising was non-existent on social media in the 1980's, BBS systems and such were run because people like sharing information.

Facebook, Twitter were really about selling stuff and commercial advertising, people flocked to it.
- That’s one view on BBSes; I remember ratios and some services charging for extra line access.

The software is a little clunky but this is everything I dreamed of when I got half way through making a peer-to-peer reddit clone in 2015 and gave up lol

In-fighting? What did i miss? lmao

Ill kill you
- let's commit war crimes
The Meta bullshit. I get it, Meta bad mmkay, but it's been on my front page every time I've come here for the past few days. We really can stop now...
- Easy enough to just drop a down vote on the discussion, right?
- Link a thread?

It's nice isn't it? I feel like if we'll evolve quickly

I’m all in for this ride! 🙌

The fact that everything is just "working" feels great!

Apps like Jerboa have made it so seemless to transition from deaddit.

Looking forward to the upcoming features that make the communities easier to join for the layperson.

Cheers!

I'm honestly really impressed by the fact that it is just working.

In les than a month Lemmy saw an exponential growth and from my point of view it was always very smooth. It was a bit slow from time to time but knowing that all of that is just running on a bunch of servers puts together by few passionate relying on donations or just their personal resources.

Feels almost like going back in time, to the earlier days of the net. IRC, XMPP, Usenet… all distributed.

Usenet is distributed. If you don’t mirror bins it’s not impossible to run your own “federated” server.
Feels like FIDOnet ;)
- I loved FIDOnet - I dialed into the Chicago node to send an "electronic mail" when I was in the boy scouts. I knew I had to have that at home.

Methinks you have been so busy trying to fight that you didn't realise that nobody else is fighting.

However, there's a slight issue with 'still being connected to the wider internet' as I don't see results for Lemmy content appearing in my searches the way Reddit content comes up.

So it feels rather like a sci-fi movie when you've had too many mushrooms - kind of bright, but a bit confused...

However, it does help focus that idea that - if we are going to have interesting discussions and create information which is archived - it shouldn't be inside Reddit, and it should be accessible by search.

So Lemmy is half way there...

The search engines are increasingly becoming enshitified anyway. I no longer think being found on Google is going to be the hallmark of success long term it was purported to be. We need a new search paradigm. And I don't just mean reinventing search engines. I mean new ways of organizing content and answering search queries. Or better funding models for indexed search.
- I think you could really plot the decline in usability of Google search over the last 10 years. SEO and algorithms have really ruined the user experience.
- I think we need decentralized search, or rather federated search if possible. Something akin to Lemmy and kbin for search. I'm not sure what the implementation would look like, but it needs to happen I think.

We are forming communities on the realized image of the internet that we were told we would have back in the 80s and 90s.

Exactly! Back in the 80s, tech enthusiasts would run their own dial-up message boards in their homes. The Fediverse is like that, but with all the benefits of modern technology. Anyone can run their own instance if they have a decent internet connection (usually fiber). But it is more than just message boards: they can run Lemmy, Mastodon, Wordpress, and even things like Tor and NextCloud, and instantly contribute their computing resources to the larger Fediverse community.

@Ramin_HAL9001 @crazyminner
To add to that, it became dirt cheap to get hosting. Like under a pack of cigarettes per month cheap.
Did a little analysis over on my blog going over the shoestring methods for those interested: https://blog.lionscade.de/show/7
- Just wanted to say I appreciate your reference of the Dodo.
  
  Reject modern life, return to Dodo
  
  Cheers mate.
  
  X
I'm not that well read on this subject, but you can do this in your house or with a VPS? I always thought there was some conflict with residential internet and selfhosting?
- You can have issues with self hosting on a residential connection if your provider gives you a CGNAT connection and not a dedicated one. With CGNAT (Carrier Grade Network Adress Translation) your line is shared between multiple users. So are the ports, so imagine you're trying to open a port on your router and expect to reach from internet to your home using that port. Your carrier may have splitted the whole available ports pool between the 4 customers behind your IP, and when you try to reach <your IP>:<the port> your packets may go Somewhere else. This thing is ok for when you use internet for classical browsing, not when you try to have traffic initiated from internet up to your home
- Depends a bit on your ISP, but it's possible to self-host services on most internet providers. And for those who restrict it, you can use Cloudflare Tunnels to host most things.
  
  I suppose data caps could be an issue if you're unfortunate enough to have an ISP that enforces those, but even then it's definitely possible.

No wait! I've just moved in! I missed all the fight!

I mean... can't you just do a little??? 🥺

Just wait a few days till some people overreact to something and call for defederating an entire instance due to it
- Wouldn't be an online community if there wasn't ~~occasional~~ constant infighting.

It's only infighting because we're all members of a living community. Other wise it's just fighting

I agree.

BUT some degree of infighting means we're alive and engaged with the platform. I think it's healthy infighting.

Exactly. No human community exists without infighting. Infighting is not a good thing, but it is a good sign -- a sign of growth.
There is a significant difference between constructive criticism and infighting. Infighting is often fueled by emotion and can be seen as toxic, harsh, and genuinely unappealing.

Constructive criticism on the other hand is a great way to provide another view point to someone who may not agree with you. It is up to them to decide on how they want to use this new perspective.
- Right, but social media (and any social movement) needs to have some degree of blood-pumping excitement. Constructive criticism is super important, but so is passionate people yelling at each other. The important thing is that we're emotionally mature enough to handle each other's passion. If infighting leads to people crying "defederate now!" then that's a problem. But "constructive" criticism can lead to the same fracturing.
  
  Let's just ride the waves and steer this thing somewhere cool and strong! And it's fine if "infighting" is part of the engine that keeps the digital blood pumping.

I keep telling my wife how awesome the Fediverse is. She doesn't share the same sentiment I do, but she also doesn't care about Reddit. I'll win her over one day.

we just need to find her brand of community and have you show her a few posts a day. Whats she into - succulents? scary stories? funny videos? CATS?

we can do this
My wife just downloaded the official reddit app after using Apollo since AlienBlue got removed. She has done nothing but complain since downloading it. I imagine that July 1st she will start looking for alternatives.

It has been quite emotional to see this community grow! I was a lurker here when Lemmy only had hundreds of users and to see such a vibrant and diverse set of instances form has been wonderful! I hope to see this platform returning some of the nostalgia from the Golden Age of the Internet. An internet for fun!

Great change is coming enjoy these early amazing days!

I definitely prefer it here over Reddit. It feels more free here.

Fediverse is old-school internet! With some twists of course, but having new school social media in a decentralized way is great. The good & bad thing is there's a higher filter for getting on, so people here are nerdy and techy, but most 'normals' might not take the time.

Them sounds like fighting words! Put up your jibblies!

I’m enjoying the ride. Love it here!

If you guys haven’t yet, you should try the Memmy app for iOS! It is amazing!

I just upvoted you from Memmy on Lemmy, it’s nice!
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Here here! 🍺

Really excited to be a part of all this!!!!

There's been infighting? Why?

What I've seen was Nazis doing Nazi things and some people not reacting as decidedly antifascist as other people would have liked.
- Meanwhile, over on my home instance, I have been pleasantly shocked by the near absolute lack of nazis.
- I mean, I feel like the system was built precisely to hinder nazis, provided other instances do their job.
  
  Obviously this is going to result in a parallel nazi-lemmy just like the old web's commonplace forum structure allowed the creation of storm front.
  
  Also terrorist-lemmy, pedo-lemmy, and others.
  
  The admins just need to defederate properly. You need to sign up with a server that aligns with your preferences.
  
  Also, if lemmy takes off it will be labeled as a nazi pedo terrorist app by media and recruitment woll be heavily censored on established websites.