Peak Design denies snitching on Luigi Mangione
Peak Design denies snitching on Luigi Mangione
‘We would only do so under the order of a subpoena.’
Because they couldn't. He bought the bag before they automatically tracked all purchasers with a unique ID on the bags they sell. The CEO of PD actively called the tip line.
So its merely attempted snitching. The CEO failed at it, but I'll still give his company full credit for trying, and never buy one of their products ever. I hope they go bankrupt.
No one is wondering why a backpack has a serial number to begin with? Vehicles, sure. Electronics, ok. But a backpack? Why does it even need a serial number?
It’s essentially a clothing item. My t-shirts don’t have serial numbers. I’m just finding it a bit insane that a backpack would have a unique serial.
They have a pretty robust used gear swap program and their products come with lifetime warranties.
Neither of which actually requires a unique ID registered to a name.
Yeah… that should be tied to the product, not a person. And it doesn’t need a unique serial number. Take the old one back, verify it’s not a fraud, send the replacement. If it’s a fraud, destroy it and let the customer know why, then offer them credit on a genuine piece.
A backpack company doesn’t need to know who I am.
I predict that soon there will be legislation outlawing the removal of unique identifiers on articles of clothing.
Screw that. Learn to sew.
I can't see legislation of such ever passing. The government would have to have ownership of the item for it to stand. (Which is why it is illegal to tamper with money).
Shit a judge ruled it was unconstitutional to ban the ownership of firearms where the serial numbers were filed off just 2 years ago.
I assume the standing is that if someone actually owns something, you can't make rules on what they do with it so long as it isn't harming others. Buy a flag, burn it, all good; burn someone else's flag.. not so good, as you can't tamper with other people's property.
It’s so people can’t commit fraud mostly. There’s an epidemic of people buying something from a place like Amazon and then 2 years later buying it again and returning it but sending the old one back instead.
This allows tracking of that. Otherwise the company loses money and has no recourse. I get it from that perspective. Even some phone cases have the same thing. Apple cases. Pikata cases. Many things and it is for this reason mostly.
Not so they can track theft or hopefully track you.
If that’s their approach, I’ll just refrain from doing business with a company whose default position is that their customers are intending to commit fraud.
The bag they eventually located [looked] just like Peak Design’s crowdfunded “Everyday” V1 model [and] was likely bought between 2016 and 2019. Dering [...] called the NYPD tip line to share what he knew and vowed to do “whatever is possible” to identify the shooter, including consulting Peak Design’s legal team to see what he could share with police.
Headline correction: He denies specifically snitching on Luigi, but would eagerly have done so if they were able but found that he didn't have the data.
Now I don't feel bad about buying a rip off of their camera clip.
Just so everybody knows, when you decide to do your own homework, you should go to your local thrift store and purchase the most Generic clothing and Accessories that you can. No High end brand names. Something mass produced.
And ffs, don’t leave shit at the scene.
I admire his ability to complete a project, but I have some notes.
And have more than one fake ID, and multiple changes of clothing stashed on the escape route. And ditch the firearm in the bag with a rock in the river at night. Don't try to hide out in bum fuck Pennsylvania. And don't carry your manifesto with you, I don't wander around outside unmasked when it's cold enough to be masked. Probably don't etch the casings yourself. Matter of fact don't drop casings for the gun you used.
Assuming he actually made these mistakes there's a whole lot of hindsight to go around.
Explain to me how you chose which words to capitalize.
I believe he's half cummings.
edward believed that things of Importance should be capitalized to emphasize what he was saying and that the start of a sentence or pronouns Don't need to be capitalized if not used in a way of importance.
Mostly I just wanted to ejaculate these words onto screen to make a cummings joke though..
I'ma guess Autocorrect. That shit Be weird sometimes.
In my deleted comment that I can’t see?
If we're giving notes being caught with the gun and the manifesto also bad. And then going to sit down and eat at a McDonald's while on the run. And wearing a mask in Altoona where he probably could have just walked in with his face showing an not gotten caught because the surveillance photos from the NYPD looked so different. And then giving a police officer a fake ID which gave them probable cause for everything...yeah police are going to catch the fake ID...
He's obviously not a professional hitman. I wonder if NYPD/Feds would have been able to track him down eventually anyway with the evidence left in New York.
Not that I'm advocating anything, but it certainly does make sense to have a change of clothes stashed nearby to change your appearance rather quickly. Just need an effective means of discarding them (maybe set it on fire inside a dumpster? I dunno).
Just throw them in a random dumpster inside a big food bag. Setting it on fire is no good. Don't start any fires. Hell put them in a donation box, even better.
Yeah, like maybe have some barrels ready with flammable material inside. Hash tag planning. 🤪
Protip: It's called Gray Man and there's more to it so get educated and practice.🙂
Cash.
Yes lots of cash. Preferably washed. (Large bill from bank broken into a smaller set of bills that didn’t come out of the atm, since banks can track serial numbers)
What's your advice for getting out of the city without being tracked?
Well, don’t carry a phone. Walk. Change your clothes a few times. Add glasses, a new hat. That kinda stuff. You could also go camp out in the woods until you know what the news coverage is.
What are your notes?
It really something to post online
If I ever did something crazy, I'd thoroughly burn those clothes when I'm done.
Good idea
Walmart generic Russel hoodie
MAGA hat. Orthopedic shoes. Inflatable belly to change your shape.
"He bought the bag before they automatically tracked all purchasers with a unique ID on the bags they sell."
The fuck?
OP is misquoting and misinterpreting what was said here.
We cannot associate a product serial number with a customer unless that customer has voluntarily registered their product on our site
But they said that wouldn't even apply if he had registered because his bag was a V1, and
we did not implement unique serial numbers until V2
And who else does this?
Why would I want a company to track my backpack? How is that a feature?
I don't think that 'tracing' here means something like 'there's a GPS tracker in every backpack'.
You could see this type of backpack in a CCTV shot. Later the police recovered a backpack - that they thought was the one on CCTV - and now need to find the owner. If it was registered at the company by the owner, they may have been able to say "oh yes, that serial number is registered to a customer. Here's their name and address they told us when registering at $date". If the customer never registered their bag, the only piece of information they could give out would (maybe) be something like "This bag was sent to an Amazon warehouse at $date, ask them if they know who bought these bags around $date"
They don't. Nearly everything that you buy has a unique serial number, and if consumers are buying direct from manufacturers it could, in theory, link a consumer to a serial number. It's unlikely that they could make those connections, though. Peak sells direct, but they also sell through 3rd party stores and distributors, where there is an abstraction between the serials and consumers.
Old peak design bags do not have unique serial numbers, but batch numbers shared among many bags. Not defending PD, but if that's true, there isn't much they could've done to help with the investigation even if they wanted to.
If you have ever registered a product you purchased with the manufacturer, you’ve done exactly that. They’re not talking about tracking the product after you buy it. They’re basically just talking about automatic proof of purchase.
Yes, but the article seems to imply that data can be subpoenaed. Ergo despite their presumed positive intentions, it’s a noteworthy risk.
If it’s lost you can report it. It helps get the bag back if someone finds it and reports it missing. It’s obviously a toss up, but there are honest people who try to return things.
I would assume these are intended for use when hiking and mountain climbing. It could save your life if someone else has your GPS coordinates when you go missing.
Any serious hiker concerned about that would carry an SOS beacon for an emergency. I would I no way want my backpack broadcasting my GPS location 24/7 in case I get lost in the woods.
Nah, nothing about Peak Designs (or any electronic gear backpack company)is intended for serious hiking let alone mountain climbing. The inexperienced day and over night hikers may rely on a phone as newer ones have rudimentary GPS ability. The more serious are using things like InReach.
Imagine letting it get out that you, as a CEO, actively called a tip line personally, in the most limped dick, impotent, wienery way possible, to try and help the police arrest a man who became a working class hero for murdering a CEO. That dude might be the biggest sissy that ever lived.
Terrible businessman too. He could have said nothing and sales could go way up because his backpack got huge media coverage. But he had to be the little tattletale bitch he's always been, calling the cops. Hope he goes bankrupt because most people who see this shit won't buy his backpack. SEO- Peak Design shitty products
This is an astronomical level of dick-sucking. From a CEO no less
Class solidarity. The rich work together to fuck over the poor. The poor, being poor and having way more people and way less time, squabble amongst themselves.
The rich amplifies and intensity that internal battle so the poor don't realize that they already won, if they just work together.
You can watch it in action as all these tech billionaires fly out to meet with the presidential billionaire at his mansion and leave token millions in greeting. Im sure this "peak design" fuckwit will join them, given the chance.
I already don't understand why anyone would overpay for a "designer" anything - I know their reasoning, it's just stupid though. So I extra can't understand why anyone would buy an overpriced, analog product that goes out of it's way to digitally track you. I mean my phone I get, but a bag? I can get a bag dirt cheap that won't tell the company or cops where I am.
It doesnt digitally track you. It's tag has a number that they record with your name when you purchase, even if you don't register the warranty.
Was anyone saying that the bag company was tracking the guy? It sounds to me like this is just a quiet way to confirm that it was their bag in case all the comments about this being the new hot fashion play out.
No, but the CEO of Peak Design called the police to say that he recognised the bag as one of his company's and promised to do whatever he could to help track the CEO-killer down.
He just couldn't help because V1, unlike V2 of the bag, doesn't have a unique serial number on it so he wasn't able to supply a name and address after all.
"Don't worry," say Peak Design in their announcement, "if your bag is stolen, you can contact us so we can delete your personal data and you won't get reported to the police erroneously."
It turns out that Peak Design are very keen to be on the cops' side on this one. Maybe they think they have more CEO customers than healthcare insurance denial victim customers.
I'm not sure that's the publicity win they seem to think it is.
Pretty much any Peak Design product has a alternative that is on par in quality and usually cheaper. Their bags, strap and clip system, and their tripods. You may want you to look into those next time you're shopping.
Edit: PetaPixel interviewed him and he came across as a massive douche.
It's not their clip system. ARCA plates have been in use since the '90s. Theirs is just a spin that fits most equipment featuring ARCA clamps.
I don't have a peak bag, but I do have osprey and chrome, which honor lifetime guarantees. Their (not old) bags have codes inside that are used in case of repair/replacement.
Osprey is fantastic. It seems like a lot of people in the hiking community scoff at them, either for being too expensive or not ultralight, but it's really hard to beat their promise to fix any bag, no questions asked. I have the Atmos AG 65L, and it's great. It literally has everything I think I could possibly want in a bag I have to live out of for a week.
I am always keeping an eye out for used ones or clearance prices, I never paid full price for mine. And the ultralight crowd is always hard to please, it's not like their bags are heavy, but all it takes is some buckles and zippers to be "too heavy" lol
I have never found a better brand for ergonomics and comfort. I have the Fairview 55 and Farpoint 70, specifically because I love the zip off daybag design.
I wonder is this will help or hurt the sales of that particular backpack. Could be a break even.
Definitely help
People are so misinformed here. I bought a v1 long time ago in like 2018 from a local store. Paid cash no one asked my name and it has a unique serial number.
I know this because it has some discoloration that I recently found out was a known issue with the color I bought. I hit them up and told them I bought it in 2018 from a local store and don’t have the receipt.
They just asked for pictures and my information like name and address to send the replacement.
Instead I asked for credit since the V2 isn’t the exact same. They said ok and gave me the credit for the full price of a new one. Super easy.
How is that misinformed? The V1 does not have unique ids automatically tied to the purchaser when purchased direct. The v2 does.
I had a v1 and it has a unique identifier. A serial number. I saw it myself. I had to give it to peak design for a warranty
Also, when I bought my newer one from REI they didn’t get my information at all. Maybe it’s different for the travel line I don’t now. But I’ve never had to give my information during purchase unless it’s online
Never buying their shit
Just wrap your devices in aluminum foil.