The sandwich has a point
For anyone considering complaining about the complaining, now is absolutely the time to bitch and moan about the DNC and all of their failures. It’s 4 years until the next presidential election (hopefully) so if ever there were a time to complain, and execute the ultrawealthy, it is now.
and execute the ultrawealthy,
Post haste.
Pelosi needs to go.
Now is the time to see who might run for house/senate seats and encourage those you like, insult those you don't, and volunteer. See if we can replace some of the spineless DNC members.
Something that really impressed me with Bernie was that in 2015 he gave a speech at Liberty University.
Liberty is the among the most conservative of conservative "Christian" colleges. As surprised as I was that they allowed him to speak, I was more surprised that Bernie went. I was raised in Christian fundamentalism. I know how hard it is to break down the barriers between you and people who belive you're going to hell for A.) Being Jewish, and B.) supporting 'baby murderin'.
That's a wide gap but he tried to bridge it anyway and find common ground. I thought he did a damn good job. He showed more backbone than any other major player in the democratic party when everyone else thought it was a waste of time to talk to anyone who isn't a "swing state" voter.
It was one of the reasons I voted for him twice. It was clear that Bernie was/is interested in the welfare of all Americans and that he wanted to be president for all Americans. Even ones he might have significant ideological differences with. The Democrats can't whine about their dwindling support when they're too chicken shit to go talk to people in Red states. Trump is and will contibue to be a collosal failure as president, but he proved one thing for certain. The days of the "safe" candidate being a winning bet are gone.
It's such a great speech too. Here it is: https://youtu.be/p5ZB8Lg1tcA
Screw this meme format that perpetuates the normalization and acceptance of christianity. Fixed it.
Did you see what happened in 2008?
A progressive won and if he hadn't ignored the DNC because they screwed him he could have changed leadership and made lasting change to the party!
The same people wouldn't be in charge and they wouldn't be grifting their cut off billionaire's bribes.
For the people running the DNC the only real loss would be a progressive winning, that's why they keep taking steps since then to ensure there's no chance of their pick losing again .
We ain't fighting the same fight as them. They're fine with a republican winning, hell, it drives up donations.
Calling Obama a progressive is rather laughable
He was in favor of civil unions instead of marriage for LGBT so... that's something I guess?
The DNC allowed Obama to be the nominee because they were assured he would back off on progressive policy and institute corporate friendly programs like the ACA. For the DNC him being the first black president was a suitable surrogate to progressive change.
2008 DNC was oblivious to Obama until the caucuses started, cuz polling (except for one agency) was consistently missing his popularity with first-timers, so they didn’t get much of a chance to stop him.
This was also before Citizens United, so there’s that too…
Why don't the primaries in 2016 and 2020 count? Just curious, asking in good faith.
In 2016, Clinton paid off the DNC's debts and became it's only financial lifeline, for which DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz abdicated control of party to Clinton's team long before she secured the nomination,, the AP controversially called the primary for Hillary just before California voted, giving voters the impression the primary was over before voting finished, and the DNC later argued in court that they had no obligation give Bernie a fair, democratic primary.
In 2020, Obama worked behind the scenes to get the other moderates to drop out and back Biden, and Representatives Ford and Smith admitted the party did coalesce around Biden in 2020 to block Bernie.
TL:DR: 2016 was meant to be a Clinton coronation with no real challengers, and they had to kneecap Bernie when he got in the way. 2020 was an open, fair election between everyone that wasn't named Sanders, and they had to kneecap Bernie when he got in the way.
For one they did not, at all, care for the results of the votes. Like in 2016 they just used Superdelegates to invalidate all the races Clinton had lost.
For one they did not, at all, care for the results of the votes. Like in 2016 they just used Superdelegates to invalidate all the races Clinton had lost.
They did no such thing. Fuck's sake. We lost by some 10% points, against Hillary fucking Clinton. This idea that the better candidate will automatically be the more popular one is some utter fucking delusion I keep seeing from the left.
I voted for Bernie twice. I would vote for him again in a heartbeat, age and all. That's not the same as peddling "The DNC STOLE the primary from us!"
Using the superdelegates to call the race for Hillary the night before the California primary, He's in the superdelegates in West Virginia and other states. Doing everything they could to stop Bernie. Watch this clip: https://youtu.be/QGuVDz_88po
Doing everything they could to stop Bernie.
Not to mention the fact that we know the DNC was having their media outlets run interference on the Sanders campaign, painting him as a crazy left socialist to scare off the moderates, when in reality the majority of Americans approve of his campaign's policies even more than the Dems' or Repubs'.
In 2020, after the moderates realized that a progressive might win, they coalesced around a single moderate candidate.
The progressives did not respond in kind.
The progressives then lost the primary.
Yeah everyone forgets their heroine Elizabeth Warren felt it was a good idea to talk shit about Bernie every chance she got and further reduced his chances by dropping out last minute.
Here's how the media treated Bernie: https://youtu.be/3ZhkKATtqtU
There was a primary in 2024 that Biden won as well. The DNC doesn’t need to spend much money on an incumbent’s campaign. It’s up to the voters to research their alternatives and vote in the primary. That doesn’t make it less fair, but suggests that US citizens are lazy or disengaged.
It’s up to the voters to research their alternatives and vote in the primary.
If the DNC give no alternatives to vote for then it's not on the voters.
God I'm sick of this blamestorming shit.
Some people want to cast blame. Some want to identify the problem so it can be addressed. Blaming voters is just establishment bitching to distract attention from reforms they want to avoid.
Hey at least the blame here is hitting the DNC where it belongs.
have you considered taking it out on Hispanics and Muslims?
It's only 1 month every 4 years.
Anyone giving odds on whether or not they'll hold a fair primary in 2028?
They'll just force us all to support Gavin Newsom. It's his turn.
Tom Walz 2028
I really like him but I don't know if he it in him to be the top of the ticket. Is debate performance was middling at best.
Pretty sure only like 16 Million people voted in the 2024 Primary
Only like 36 Million in 2020
Instead of complaining about how unfair it is why dont people actually try organizing for a candidate and voting in primaries?
Or better yet, just give dems + indie a supermajority and they'll reform voting.
The Democrats can reform their primary process any way they want any time they want. They are a private organization.
And they are. In Kansas and Hawaii since 2020 they've used RCV for DNC Primaries. Maine, a blue state, also practices RCV for the general election.
On the other hand, many Republicans have directly opposed RCV.
And the majority of these reforms are brought about by Petition, including the ballot measures.
Also, this isn't exactly a fair statement since the primary was declared over before the majority of states even got to participate. Yes there is low turnout sometimes in states that get to participate, but there are many of us who would like to and can't, hence feeling like it isn't exactly a fair or representative process
Did the DNC not do anything to knee cap Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel in 2008? Was before I was paying any attention to politics, so actually just asking a question rather than trying to insinuate anything.
I don't know what the sandwich did, but I still love you sandwich.
it's a subway, calling it a sandwich is charitable to say the least
Is that what you told yourself when you didn't vote?
I voted. I always vote.
