Has anyone in the communism community ever actually lived under a communist regime? I have and that shit was not good. No matter how nice communism sounds on paper it depends on humans sharing and not being selfish and power hungry, which is a fantasy. Even in a communist society, you'll have those who will get more than others and will be more "equal"
Let's make it more interesting. Name a place where communism has taken hold and has worked as intended without a ruling class and without resorting to human rights violations of their citizens
Go look up communist countries and strongholds throughout Central and South America in the 70s-90s. Even people here calling me a liar don't realize that even when a country wasn't communist, there were regions, villages, etc that were fully controlled by communist forces. They raped little girls and took the boys to force into fighting so that didn't seem so socialist to me.
And just because the opposition forces led by the west were just as brutal it doesn't make the guerillas any less culpable
It's funny because I'm pretty sure you haven't lived in a communist country either. So you're arguing that lack of personal experience invalidates all arguments in favour of communism, but your lack of personal experience living in a communist country somehow doesn't invalidate your arguments against communism. Yup, perfectly consistent.
If a revolution from the bottom happens, there will still be new leaders appointed from those at the bottom. And will soon become less like the rest of us, and will become just like the old Masters
Which communist country, and when? It's hard to imagine anyone in any former communist country who was old enough to remember communism, and lived through the 90s, could think communism was worse.
No matter how nice communism sounds on paper it depends on humans sharing and not being selfish and power hungry
Those problems are a million times worse in capitalism where each capitalist is a dictator responsible only to themselves and each politician is responsible only to their capitalist donors.
"Even when communism is not achieved, communism will not be achieved.' is probably the most common and basic declaration from people have yet to learn anything about it.
Of course they haven't, and while I'm happy to be proved wrong, I'm sure they're all enjoying the benefits of living in a democratic country while cosplaying communists.
I summed it up in my response to them, but essentially they have a confused idea of what Communism even means. It's perfectly possible for them to have grown up in a Communist nation, but 2 points stick out as confused:
They believe Communism structurally depends on "good people not being selfish" without elaborating, and
They believe Communism to be about some vague "equality," despite Marx arguing against said very notion.
Agreed, but I am sad that they don't choose to share any of those personal experiences that they claim are vital for understanding communism.
Even if communist revolutions tend to fail for the same reasons most revolutions fail (a need for temporary authoritarian rule followed by fumbling the succession) anything that can help understand how and why something failed is useful.
Fun Fact: Communism is actually an attainable goal within our lifetimes, but people would actually have to be open to confronting their biases against it (including hate for all its supporters)
Actually disagree, at least not higher-stage Communism. Higher stage communism requires pretty much all living generations on Earth to have never known Capitalism, and be so used to living within Socialism that the statist apparatus makes itself redundant and whithers away. This becomes self-perpetuating and stable.
Lower stage communism? Absolutely.
It isn't simply a matter of "confronting internal biases," just like you would not place a random modern worker into feudalism and expect them to be capable of tending the fields, producing for subsistence plus surplus to their local feudal lord, and producing all manner of household goods such as clothing, fences, and food, so too can you not thrust the modern proletariat into a higher stage of production without working through the transitional status of Socialism.
If there are communists who think communism can be attained in our lifetimes, I don’t know them. We’re not going to sell people a fantasy, some overnight utopia. Some places are now socialist, and more may become so in our lifetimes. But, as socialist states themselves will tell you, communism has not yet been attained anywhere.
Communism is not attainable in our lifetimes as it will require decades upon decades of economic and social development. But we can take the first steps by seizing control of the state from capital and oppressing the actions of capitalists themselves. In other words, by creating socialist (or proto-socialist) states.