J.D. Vance Blames 'Fake Polls' for Harris' Lead
J.D. Vance Blames 'Fake Polls' for Harris' Lead
Donald Trump's running mate, J.D. Vance, claimed without evidence that polls showing Vice President Kamala Harris in the lead are "fake polls."
Without evidence, the Republican vice presidential candidate tried to cast doubt on his opponent's obvious momentum: "If you talk to insiders in the Kamala Harris campaign, they're very worried about where they are"
You’ve heard Donald Trump cry “fakenews” too many times to count, and now his running mate is claiming — without evidence — that the media is using “fake polls” to show Vice President Kamala Harris is in the lead in the presidential race.
In an interview on Fox News Sunday, Sen. J.D. Vance alleged that “The media uses fake polls to drive down Republican turnout and to create dissension and conflict with Republican voters.”
Bureaucracy isn't something inherently good. I don't think you're going to get a lot of people jumping to defendant. It can exist for reasons. I think it would be better put that they want to end democracy rather than bureaucracy. Democracy absolutely tends to lead to some bureaucracies. Whether or not they're Justified is another question.
- a quick edit since so many are failing reading comprehension*
Bureaucracy is a tool it is neither inherently good or bad. Me implying that it wasn't inherently good. Did not imply that it was inherently bad. It is inherently necessary. But also not something you're going to get people to Rally around unfortunately. I understand that I seem to have found five or six bureaucrats. Who visit Lemmy and are very upset that people don't love bureaucrats. There's nothing I can do about it. Just quit with your straw man.
Yeah, that should be rephrased somehow. While I’m not sure exactly what was intended for that, part of the platform is to replace the meritocracy (people hired for ability to do their job) with loyalists (people hired solely for loyalty to whoever won) ….. for as many as 50,000 positions.
Generally thenn be policy heads are loyalists and the people who make it happen know what they’re doing
Keep on denying everything. Love to see it.
Sadly this led to January 6th as the MAGAts “couldn’t believe” that Trump lost. I’d like people to start accepting reality ASAP, ideally, before our next insurrection election.
It's beautifully counter productive because if they convince their base it'll be a cake walk GOP turnout will dip.
Keep denying it JD!
all hail the Indianan edge lord! lol what a rube
This is a part of the plan to delegitimize and undermine any election result that doesn't go their way. "The election results are fake. We've been telling you for months that the polls are crooked so the election must have been crooked."
“It’s not over on Election Day. It’s over on Inauguration Day,” (Trump campaign manager) LaCivita told Politico’s Jonathan Martin during a Thursday interview at the RNC.
This guy is sofa king annoying.
Don't trust polls.
There's always an element of society who pretend they don't know who they're voting for yet. They're voting for bad things, they know they're bad, and they are embarrassed to tell pollsters.
Vote.
Not to mention the incredibly questionable ways of gathering data.
Like calling people in the day, on their PHONES, asking how they might consider voting. Like MF, I'm working in the day and I'm not picking up a random phone call to tell you about my political alignment.
Like calling people in the day
I had a pollster call me at 10pm.
Yeah, I don't know if it's still even possible to do an accurate poll these days, what with how hard it is to get accurate representation of the following groups: people who ignore all unrecognised calls, people who hang up as soon as they can tell it's a mass call rather than something for them specifically, and people who don't want others to have accurate information. It's even difficult to accurately measure the size of each of those groups, let alone figure out what they think.
Don’t trust polls.
High quality pollings (Gallup, Ipsos, various university polling groups) are consistently reliable within the margin of error. There's no point in being afraid or dismissive of them.
There’s always an element of society who pretend they don’t know who they’re voting for yet. They’re voting for bad things
There are plenty of people who are disinterested or uninformed. They aren't naturally malicious simply because they don't religiously follow political news. Lots of them don't even know if they're going to vote until early voting starts, and even then only vote as part of their family or social group rather than because they have an emotional attachment to one of the parties.
The regional nature of voting tends to mean that if you're too shy to express your views, you aren't in the majority anyway. Its the guy who answers the phone in a MAGA hat and shouts "Hell yeah I'm voting fer Trump!" that you have to worry about, not the one who is too shy to whisper support for RFK Jr down the line.
don't trust polls.
This isn't telling you to not be confident or to be scared, this is telling you to not assume victory is assured. Vote regardless of polling. Polling can be accurate or not. If the polling is accurate, and a majority would vote for A, but A is so far ahead of B that A-voters sit out the race, B can still win if enough voters choose to stay home.
Dear MAGAs Please believe your vice Führer. You will win. No need to go vote.
Then I guess we better get more blue voters out to vote. Thanks JD.
So what I'm not understanding, is what happens when they aren't elected and they remain unable to do basic math.
They seem to really putting all their eggs into the basket of "numbers are fake, do our bidding" but somehow fail to realize without the numbers they won't have support?
Like they really think they have enough weird dudes with too many guns to out gun and out fight the military that is currently under Biden's control?
Also, have they accounted for the fact that the number of armed crazies gets even smaller when the crazies realize they don't get paid for fighting?
Like they really think they have enough weird dudes with too many guns to out gun and out fight the military that is currently under Biden’s control?
That is debatable. Yes, Biden is the CiC. But assuming that the military--which skews conservative (and enlisted people skew very conservative)--is going to follow orders across the board if there's a genuine civil war is perhaps a bit naive. The US Civil war saw a number of generals and higher-level officers defect to the CAS, and I would expect that we'd see the same kind of thing now.
My point is, it needs to be an undeniable win for Dems, something so overwhelming that there can't be any reasonable questions.
The military is more liberal than you think. Yeah their area shit heads in every org and a 18 year old private is always going to be stupid and buy that charger and say stupid shit. But the NCO rank and file are not the same old guard from the 80s and the army is making changes to appeal to GenZ to help with recruitment. E.G base name changes and leave requests for family planning, etc. But also Vets that have been down range got to know groups liked the Kurds and are very pissed what Trump did to them.
They're already laying the groundwork for claiming the election was stolen
They've been doing that for years
He always looks so confused in his photos.
I like how the Republican playbook is "grow a beard if you want to look manly" and it just makes them look shlubby more than anything. Vance and Cruz are prime examples.
This guy would look baby faced if he shaved. I have the same problem where if I shave I look 10 years younger than I am.
I'm not claming this guy (or myself) are the pinnacle of attractiveness by any stretch of the imagination. Just saying what I know from a similar genetic background and age.
Fake announcement !
You done messed up JD Vance
Such performative masculinity, you can never be the underdog or have nuance.
Harris is up by a point or two nationally, and that's not necessarily enough to win. Battleground states are all too close to call. The RCP electoral map is still giving Trump the win granted they tend to be R-biased in their poll aggregation but that is the path to claiming Trump is in the lead.
He's going full Baghdad Bob. You never go full Baghdad Bob.
Trump: See, the polls were wrong! Particularly in the places where my supporters controled the counting process AND refuse to release the final count! Oh, you got those electoral votes thrown out? Too bad the consitution gives the presidency to Republicans if no one reaches 270 electoral votes (one state, one vote)
It's only fake news when it goes against their agenda. Otherwise, it's bigly accurate.
If Trump were still leading, we'd hear how its going to be a Red Wave and he's going to do 10-pts better than advertised.
If he's losing, its cause he's secretly winning.
If he's losing bad, its cause there's a vast deep state conspiracy and don't trust the elections its just like Vuvuzela.
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