Change your Steam review
Change your Steam review
I’m a PS5 player, so I can’t make an impact, but if you did write a negative review (thank you, you made this happen ❤️) please consider taking the time to change it! This was clearly not AH decision and the game deserves an accurate review, it’s easily one of the best games I’ve ever played and definitely the best game as a service!
Edit: woke up to new comments, this post reminded… Lemmy is just the same as Reddit.
Edit2: Christ I need to turn off Lemmy notifications, I’ve left this community and this was a stark reminder for me… don’t engage with a specific game community, just enjoy the fucking game!
Changed my review to positive. I also added a note that a thumbs down from a second bait-and-switch won't be coming back up.
HD2 is a very rare example of a AAA live service game done right, Sony really had to come this close to fucking up what will be one of their top sellers.
In related news, HD2 is already Sony's 7th best selling game. Of all time.
Note: this wasn't my original source, but still
Yeah fuck no. AH can sue Sony for this (and should). But my review stays there for life as a reminder to Sony (and anyone else who tries to pull this shit).
Just because they backed down =/= they did the right thing. They caved to public (and I'm sure legal) pressure. Nothing more. Fuck Sony and fuck changing a review because WE made a company back down.
No no no no no. No.
If steam hadn't started refunding i dont even think that they'd have changed their mind
Shouldn't the review reflect what the game actually is though?
That's why steam has a review system based on dates, bad reviews will go away as time goes on if the game goes the right direction, the negative reviews simply serve as a point you can see that they fucked up, like a review time capsule. That's how I see it.
Yes. If you want to play “by the rules.” They don’t. Not sure why we should then.
Do what you want, i dont care if the reviews are bad or good.
But i just have to react to your "legal" argument.
Legal pressure over an EULA you accepted when you bought the game and got reminded on when you first started the game? The game you didn't refund for over 3 months and probably have 10s if not 100s of hours in? That EULA?
Because contrary to what you seem to think it was in there from the get go. That it didn't work is nice, but doesn't mean anything.
That they created a workaround because it didn't work is nice of them but again, besides the point.
You accepted the EULA. you clearly didn't read it. Who's fault is that?
The only pressure they felt where you guys making a lot of noise. And that was and is great.
But what did Sony learned? What did they really learn?
I'll tell you:
Next time, when they fuck up.... Don't back down. Because if you do back down the negativity stays anyway and you gain nothing.
That's the lessons the corpos have learned. They've learned they can't win. Just accepting the damage is the better strategy. That way you earn something (the ones who did link) at least.
I signed nothing. There's no fingerprint anywhere. It might be strange to you, but in some places of the world an EULA is not a binding contract signed in blood that you or your children must fulfil.
When we played for months without the link, when there were no advertisement that the link would be enforced at some point, when Sony faq informed that it was optional, this EULA is mere bullshit.
I'm not changing mine until (1) after the 30th, (2) game is back on for purchase in restricted countries, and (3) Sony doesn't backpedal yet again before then.
Look, I honestly get the sentiment and AH deserves the praise for sure, but at this point I honestly can't confidently say I trust Sony to not just be doing all this for positive PR.
Well, if they do, that'll be the death of the game
People make mistakes, even intentional ones. I'm a big believer in recognising when people admit to their mistakes because otherwise why even bother to right any wrongs you have made?
100%. I hate how everyone wants to completely burn all bridges with people who make mistakes, even when they own up and demonstrate that they understand what was incorrect about their actions. It's a very pervasive attitude on the internet and it's leaking into real life too.
Absolutely cut out toxic people and companies that continue to abuse, but recognize legitimate attempts to change and give people credit.
Correction, the object of our ire isn't "people", but the Sony corporation which has repeatedly demonstrated that it cannot be trusted. This is not a "legitimate attempt to change", this is a reluctant policy rollback.
I am 100% behind this sentiment outside of continued abuse (like that of nearly every publishing company in the video game industry) as long as they apologize.
But the problem is that corporations are not people. One of the biggest downfalls of America getting into the shit situation that it is in was legally treating corporations as people. It screwed them over
The same is true socially. Corporations are not people. They are composed of people, but the problem is that many or most people will compromise their personal values to keep their job or get a promotion. That has been shown time and time again. A corporation's goal is 100% exclusively, both legally and internally, to make profit for the shareholders. It will do whatever possible, screw over whoever possible, and even harm whoever necessary to create extra profit for shareholders. (Ex. Boeing, Nestle, Coke, Blackrock, palantir, exxon, the lidt goes on) The only thing that makes them back down in regulation or people threatening their profits.
This time, gamers were vocal enough, outraged enough, and ready to actually affect their profits (and future prospects of microtransactions or profitable sequels) enough for them to back down.
THEY DID NOT EVEN APOLOGIZE, read their statement, they did not make a mistake, they just chose a wrong time to try to squeeze some extra profit and were surprised that the pushback was enough to affect their profits and not just fade away like it usually does.
Whether or not they're going to walk back the changes, steam still has the game delisted in the countries where you can't make a psn account. Until that block is lifted, not changing my review at all.
Right on! NO ONE CHANGE THEIR REVIEW! This needs to be there for ever. So when Sony a year down the road thinks "maybe?" they can see what happened last time.
No no no no. Review states indefinitely!
Tell me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that a move from steam to mitigate the damage that would occur if Sony went through with the account link requirement?
I'm honestly unsure. But that's the point where I personally would consider the issue entirely cured. I.e. steam is ok again with selling the game in places where you can't make a psn account.
No. At this point, it's more about the message.
The only message you're sending is "They gave me what I want but I'm still holding onto this anger".
We won, son. The war's over. You can let go now.
The message is that if they even try to fuck up they get to pay it.
Good reminder. Was happy I got to update mine. And for folks saying "future buyers should know about this bullshit", leave the original content, just update the rating and add some commentary.
Definitely will do that, the game itself is still very fun and not deserving of the bad ratings.
And with Sony finally having gotten the message (for the time being at least) they faced their mistake and were willing to make up for it, which doesn't happen too often these days. And I do appreciate that.
Deciding not to do the unpopular thing that was costing your shareholders money isn't deserving of praise. The fact that such a backlash was necessary to force their hand in the first place is proof that Sony has not learned their lesson.
I don’t think they should, TBH. Sony needs the reminder that this was a giant mistake. HD2 is already a successful game with extremely positive reviews from before the PSN issue. Now that we know the HD2 dev was not included in the decision to require PSN, not many still hold a grudge against Arrowhead.
If they hold to their promise going forward, the reviews will start coming down/changing. Let’s just see how they deal with Ghosts of Tsushima release.
I did Monday morning before work, if we punish them when we are upset, they fix it, and we continue to punish them then what is Sony's incentive for backpedaling ?
To avoid upsetting people in the first place.
If you change your review, they'll know they can pull shit like this again and you'll still give them money.
If it takes this much effort to pass over 'feedback' for them to learn about the PC platform, then i think the reviews deserve to stay. Its the price SONY chose to pay
Is op post satire?
Sony fanboys are hard at work to get those reviews back to positive. I don't think you can pay people to get a better job than those fanatics. Some are even asking for public apologies to those who had hard words against Sony or arrowhead.
Why? Nothing has changed yet.
I absolutely will as soon as i get home from work!
Backpeddeling works and is very cool.
Has arrowhead opened the discussion board on steam so I can troubleshoot why I (and hundreds of other players) can't use in-game voice chat?
Oh, they haven't? Oh, arrowhead has ignored all the support tickets I've posted? Oh, you're here trying to fix this shitty companies public image while they ignore serious issues with their product?
Nty.
I don't play it but I wouldn't. That's part of Sony's paddlin.
Tbh, I'm happy with the some of us switching our reviews back and some not. Its both a future warning to not fuck around this hard AND a sign that if you give us what we want, we'll back off
Will when I get a chance but sadly I’ll be away from the drop pods for a few days
Abusive relationship much?
Fuck that shit, leave your thumb down, they didn't deserve any kindness from you from the moment they thought it was a good idea to require a PSN account.
"It was not AH decision" they signed the contract with Sony didn't they? Hell, just take the time to actually read the announcement and it's clear that Sony is just trying to find ways to do the same thing but in a way we won't care, they don't deserve any sympathy.
Maybe you have a problem with the publisher-developer relationship in general or even problems with the profit motive but somehow I think you're not coming at it from those perspectives.
I wonder if you think the game would have been made if AH didn't "sign a contract with Sony." Like it or not, publishers financially support developers and influence their creations to maximize their return on investment.
I'm with you if you wanna take down capitalism, but selectively being mad at one set of creatives for working within the system seems like a pretty immature take.
Man some of you are some real indignant mother fuckers. Imagine punishing a dog for misbehaving, and the dog changes it's behavior and does what you say. But then you still continue to punish it.
A dog will remember being punished - SONY is not that smart
These companies are worse than dogs. Don't even compare them.
Difference is I care about the dog
This is more of a case of the dog biting before. This time, the dog growled and snarled, but didn't bite. We were able to set it's food down, but we're not clear of the door just yet, and given past tendencies, we're naturally still worried about getting bit.
Once we're in safety again, we can reward the dog for dialing it back before another bite happened, but we're not clear yet.
Sorry about the negativity you received.
Will test today after work if they require a account, if not the thumb goes up :)
The requirement was not in effect until some point at the end of the month either way
Meh
Not trying to be a dick, but why even make this comment then?
No
From what I've read elsewhere AH was aware of the PSN account linking long before the game's release. Also just because Sony is backpedaling because of the negative reviews, I don't see that as a reason to change my review. Even if the gameplay is widely praised, I think the negative reviews explaining what shitty practices were at hand should stay for future potential customers. I doubt Sony is done doing stupid stuff like this
I urge you to reconsider. That review hurts Arrowhead way more than Sony... which is unfair to the team that put their heart and soul into the game.
It is very clear that the CEO cares a lot about this game, and I'm sure many, if not all of the devs that worked on it care a lot about it... And that to me means a lot more that trying to "stick it to Sony". Yes, the CEO knew about the account linking but he wasn't aware of all the limitations that come with it (i.e. the country limitations). SONY is also responsible for the countries the game is being sold in.
I'm not convinced AH was unaware of what account linking would lead to. In the 6+ months they knew about it, not one person realized PSN access wasn't available in all the countries they were selling to? I think AH did a good job appearing shocked and betrayed by Sony, and sure there are plenty of devs that likely didn't stand by that decision, but erasing all of the reviews that warn potential buyers of the bad practices doesn't seem like a smart idea. I think they are capable of regaining genuine positive reviews and community trust, but it shouldn't be overnight
AH wasn't just aware... The game did require linking at launch, just like the Steam store page has said was required since day one. It was a requirement, enforced, and not hidden at all. The shitty PSN servers were part of the overall server issues at launch, so the linking was temporarily made optional while that was all sorted out.
AH just didn't do a good job at making it clear that the linking was mandatory, and only made optional temporarily. That could have been because they were told the issue would be fixed quickly, and the reality was it took much longer than planned. Wouldn't be the first time for Sony there. Sony and PSN server issues go hand on hand.
Sony, as the publisher, however also did not prevent sales in non-PSN regions as they should have from day one.
Yes Arrowhead was aware that it wasn't fully set up because in Sony's own terms it was always optional to link a PSN account while playing on PC. That is until they announced this forced change and rewrote the terms of service that same weekend.
Lemmy is full of Redditors. Hence full of nonsense, full of ads (do you use Proton?), doubling down on a negative review while shipping cash to those companies. Guess what makes them rich 🤑
full of ads (do you use Proton?),
That's a Proton thing then. Lemmy doesn't have ads. Jerboa doesn't have ads.