I was banned from Reddit for saying I enjoyed the parts of red dead redemption 2 where you had to kill slave owners and kkk members. Literally said I enjoyed a mainstream video game and the main quest. Inciting violence against polygons in an imaginary world that took place 150 years ago.
Reddit also banned me for saying nazis deserve to be punched. A comment I made under a post similar to this. Appearantly making such posts is fine, but commenting the same shit is unforgivable.
Hah! I also got a permanent ban for posting "bullets would fix this" to a post sympathizing with pedophiles claiming treatment and compassion were the only solution. Wild...
And that kind of shit is exactly the reason why there's still a denazified German version. Killing Nazis isn't the issue, putting them in a metaphysical context, derealising them, etc, is what's the problem. You don't want kids one day to think of Nazis as fictional characters.
This sets a dangerous example, and we need to talk about it.
If you punch a Nazi like this, you're going to break your wrist. Remember, make contact with the largest two knuckles (index and middle finger) and keep a strong wrist. You want to hurt the Nazi, not yourself!
Stay safe out there and keep punching Nazis.
This has been a public service announcement.
[Two images shown side by side. The first shows a young man in a black shirt standing on a crowded sidewalk, his hand raised above his head in the historical "Nazi salute" with a lightly smug expression. There is a person's hand holding up their middle finger prominently in his direction visible from the right side of the screen, but everything past their forearm is out of the image frame. In the second image, the same man in the black shirt is shown with his hand at his side, as a second man in an orange shirt is shown in the middle of punching the taller black-shirted man in the jaw. The fist of the man punching is angled slightly upwards at the wrist, so his fist makes contact at the knuckles on his fingers rather than using the flat surface of a typical punch. The image is captured before the man in the black shirt reacts to the punch. The hand holding up a middle finger is still visible in the right of the frame.]
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Probably because it's not okay to assault people who you disagree with or find unforgivable. Down votes and punching is easy, little kid stuff. Seeing where they are coming from, what they've been through, and understanding why they are this way, and helping them see their way out of it. That is the difficult part.
"People I don't agree with" and "Nazis" aren't the same people. I sympathize with people who have lives that lead them down the path to that, but once they've committed themselves to Nazism and start saluting in the street, then there's no more sympathy.
To be clear, you can come back from a lot of shitty beliefs. I have. But I also didn't march in white pride parades with swastikas. I'm not talking about run of the mill conservatives.
My parents raised me with unfortunate views, as did the churches they forced me to attend. It was only through life experience that I came to realize they were wrong.
Violence didn't help me, it made me feel isolated and more inclined to think that those using violence against me didn't have rational arguments against my views.
Violence doesn't win arguments, and it should be a last resort, using it for instant gratification is a sure strategy to prolong conflict.
Legit, my entire account and all of the accounts that ever touched the OFFICAL reddit app, were all removed when I made a comment "Yeah, punch a Nazi, with a bullet."
The accounts were all insta/perma-banned across all of reddit for this one comment.
Basically reddit was defending Nazis.
I am kind of not too sad to see reddit start sinking.
I've only just joined after about 11 years on reddit, and I've only just realised we can say this shit about nazis here. I feel like a weight just lifted off my back.
Commies speedrun civilization suicide because the government hoards all the money and let the workers starve.
Nazis drag out the process because capitalism incentivizes work (until it doesn't, e.g. LSC) and maximizing suffering for outgroups gets them off, but eventually their anti-intellectual groupthink hits critical mass and they unalive themselves in some colossally stupid fashion while claiming germs aren't real and that they totally didn't get scammed out of their life savings because Lord Donald told them to.
I was once banned from Reddit for correctly pointing out that the medically approved cure for Nazism is one fist, applied directly to the face repeatedly until the afflicted individual stops being a Nazi.
The medical professional applying this cure can substitute any handy blunt object for their first if so desired.
I got banned off /r/politics because of an article about a Fox News reporter who was caught lying about the election and inciting viewers to commit revolution (i.e. treason and assassination). I commented that he should stuff it up his ass, and got kicked for "death threats."
Mod was probably a powertripping wingnut masquerading as an independent. "Centrists" who coddle and defend the fascists are no less fascist themselves, and if that hurts their feelings then I have some nice horse paste for them to cry into.
You also wanna make sure to get in the habit of punching with your thumb at the side of your fist and not in front of your index finger, cause you might otherwise break your own thumb on impact.
At first I was a little uncomfortable with votes being visible on kbin, but I have to say, the small adjustment to my own habits is well worth being able to see who downvotes this kind of thing so I can pre-emptively block them and avoid ever interacting with such scum.
Reminder that Mahatma Gandhi was a plant by the UK government to stop the india independence movement, and delayed independence by decades. Also a pedophile. Nonviolent protest doesn't work.
Allow me to quote Justice Markandey Katju, justice of the supreme court of india (source)
Gandhi---A British Agent
This post is bound to draw a lot of flak at me, but that does not matter as I am not a popularity seeker I have often said things knowing that initially that will make me very unpopular, and I will be vilified and denounced by many. Nevertheless I say such things.as I believe they must be said in my country's interest.
I submit that Gandhi was objectively a British agent who did great harm to India.
These are my reasons for saying this :
India has tremendous diversity, so many religions, castes, races, languages, etc ( see my article ' What is India ?' on my blog justicekatju.blogspot.in ). Realizing this the British policy was of divide and rule ( see online ' History in the Service of Imperialism ' , which is a speech delivered by Prof. B.N. Pande in the Rajya Sabha ).
By constantly injecting religion into politics continuously for several decades, Gandhi furthered the British policy of divide and rule.
If we read Gandhi's public speeches and writings ( e.g. in his newspapers 'Young India', ' Harijan ', etc ) we find that ever since Gandhi came to India from South Africa in 1915 or so till his death in 1948, in almost every speech or article he would emphasize Hindu religious ideas e.g. Ramrajya, Go Raksha ( cow protection ), brahmacharya ( celibacy ), varnashram dharma ( caste system ), etc ( see Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi ).
Thus Gandhi wrote in ' Young India ' on 10.6.1921 " I am a Sanatani Hindu. I believe in the varnashram dharma. I believe in protection of the cow ". In his public meetings the Hindu bhajan ' Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram ' would be loudly sung.
Now Indians are a religious people, and they were even more religious in the first half of the 20th century. A sadhu or swamiji may preach such ideas to his followers in his ashram, but when they are preached day in and day out by a political leader, what effect will these speeches and writings have on an orthodox Muslim mind ? It would surely drive him towards a Muslim organization like the Muslim League, and so it did. Was this not serving the British policy of divide and rule ? By constantly injecting religion into politics for several decades, was Gandhi not objectively acting as a British agent ?
In India a revolutionary movement against British rule had started in the early 20th century under the Anushilan Samiti, Jugantar, and revolutionaries like Surya Sen, Ramprasad Bismil ( who wrote the song ' Sarfaroshi ki tamanna ab hamare dil mein hai ), Chandrashekhar Azad, Ashfaqulla, Bhagat Singh, Rajguru, etc ( who were all hanged by the British ). Gandhi successfully diverted the freedom struggle from this revolutionary direction to a harmless nonsensical channel called Satyagrah. This also served British interests.
Gandhi's economic ideas were thoroughly reactionary. He advocated self sufficient village communities, though everybody knows that these communities were totally casteist and in the grip of landlords and money lenders..Gandhi was against industrialization, and preached handspinning by charkha and other such reactionary nonsense. Similarly, his ' trusteeship ' theory was all nonsense, and an act of deceiving the people
Some people praise Gandhi's bravery in going to Noakhali, etc to douse the communal violence at the time of Partition. But the question is why did he help setting the house on fire in the first place by preaching religious ideas in public political meetings for several decades, which were bound to divide the Indian people on religious lines? First you set the house on fire, and then you do the drama of trying to douse the flames.
I definitely appreciate any punch that gets thrown in a Nazi's direction, but I agree, stay safe. If you have a can of industrial strength bear mace, use that, instead. Really get in in their holes, too. Mouth, ear, and nose. If you are brave enough, try other holes, too. Every hole filled with bear mace is one less hole spewing vile hate speech.
So bear mace is typically weaker than mace meant for people. So I recommend full power self defense mace/pepper spray for use against nazis. Other than that small detail, I’m fully on board with your recommended plan.
Why do these self-proclaimed superior race types always look like they smell like unwashed scalp and sour milk breath? A rattle of phlegm always present in the back of their throat when they speak.
I had the misfortune of meeting a neo-Nazi with a substantial speech impediment. He would have been persecuted, or worse under the Nazi regime. I guess it's self-loathing that draws some of them into the ideology.
It tells them that none of that matters, they're still superior because they're white. In fact, none of their problems would exist if it wasn't for those people
Punching the head isn't a great idea in general, it's better to just open palm it and save knuckles for the soft places. Better yet, just use your elbow or forearm, or a baseball bat.
Probably yeah. You want the most stability in your punch. Think of the line the force has to take back into your body, the more bone and muscle that line goes through the better.
But if you really want to learn to punch go take lessons. Join an anarchist gym if you're fortunate enough to have one.
Yet they cry about tolerance, the very thing they will destroy, if they are permitted to fester and grow. Total tolerance is not freedom, but in fact a total submission toward the intolerant.
Fucking wild to see that sentiment here, the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. Violence is the only response to a violent belief system that seeks to oppress and genocide a substantital part of the population. If you can't see that, you're spare parts bud
Needing to reinforce that you hate nazis everytime is pretty woke cause woke people are always like "oh, I hate nazis, and look, I'm so cool, I hate them". It's just so simplistic and I think I'm just tired of people repeating that word everytime they can.
You shouldn't use of violence no matter how much of an asshole someone is. If you use violence or threat to use it against someone not in self-defense way, you've already lost the battle.
Cringe take to glorify any violence for having an opinion even if its offensive just as yours could be equally offensive to them. If you say your feelings aren't hurt then you actually think violence is a good cause lol
everyone is gansta until someone pulls the paradox of tolerance by karl popper.
I don't like philosophers in general but I think karl popper is specially full of shit, but I agree with your sentiment, I mean, who can in their right mind be against a "fuck nazis" comment?
"other people don't deserve the same rights as me" is not a fucking political opinion you cretin.
Those who advocate violence and oppression deserve violence and oppression. Don't want violence brought on you? Don't bring it on others.
And just because they're polite about it doesn't change any of that. So fuck this "gosh golly gee I just think gays and Jews should be hanged why are you hitting me 🥺" act that isn't fooling anyone.
Apologies if I misread your post, that all wasn't necessarily directed at you.
Cool but slippery slope
Edit: I feel like a lot of people dont get it. For an example if you ban nazis and they get power they can ban the left side or trans people(etc you get the point). Also just banning stuff can screw up things. Same with allowing hitting someone for their (flawed) ideology. You have to assume that your enemies and also yourself dont have morals. Nazis think they are the good side(idk actually, im not a nazi). Violence and banning things should only be used as an extreme measure.
It's only slippery if you don't have proper footing when punching a Nazi.
If you can't ensure proper footing, or are unable to properly punch, a baseball bat will suffice. Preferably a wooden baseball bat, as aluminum bats flex more than wood, and you don't want any give when hitting a Nazi with your bat.
Aim for the knees, so the cowardly Nazi can't run away, like the coward it is. Once it's on the ground, you can continue to work the rest of the body. Stay away from the head! I cannot emphasize that enough. You want the Nazi to remain conscious, so it can feel it's bones shatter.
It’s a sheer cliff really. Either you’re punching a nazi or you’re punching someone that doesn’t deserve it. Nazis are usually proud of being Nazis, so they show off with these salutes and their dumb swastika flags. It’s ok to punch people like this. It should in fact be legal.
Conceptual slippery slope arguments assume that because we cannot draw a distinction between adjacent stages, we cannot draw a distinction between any stages at all.
Example: "There is no essential difference between 199 and 200 grains of sand or 200 and 201 grains and so on. Thus, there is no difference between 1 grain of sand and 3 billion grains of sand.”
Not really. It’s an ideology, and ideologies always have various layers, variants, intensities and whatnot. If someone has a race bias are they automatically a Nazi? If someone is in a position to kill a jew but doesn’t do it, are they automatically not a Nazi? Putin says Ukraine is controlled by Nazis. The entire US population is pretty much split on whether “certain politicians” are Nazi or not.
As much as I’d like it to be true, it’s not something objective enough that most people can agree on a single definition.
I think he means that it's a dangerous precident. Opening the door to political violence not only makes your side look barbarous, but is also a potential justification for future political violence against an arbitrary group.
I hate Nazis, but we shouldn't be punching people for saying stupid, hateful shit.
this post doesnt even mention banning anything, just punching nazis. if they didnt want to get punched, maybe they shouldn’t have chosen to be such vile pieces of shit.
even if it did, its worked fine for germany, where hate speech and particularly holocaust denial and nazi rhetoric is aggressively prosecuted.
Nazis have proven beyond a shadow of doubt that they must be exterminated at every opportunity. You know, there was that whole world war and a bunch of people died and stuff that you can't miss. Fuck Nazis.
Your argument is the slippery slope fallacy. Nazis end game has been seen. They murder people. I don't hear Nazis saying we can coexist. You murder murderers. You silence people who want to permanently silence others. Idealistically silence them until they change their mind. Punching a Nazi might fix their brain damage at least make them think twice before they try to publicly express themselves
A slippery slope fallacy (SSF), in logic, critical thinking, political rhetoric, and caselaw, is a fallacious argument in which a party asserts that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant (usually negative) effect.[1] The core of the slippery slope argument is that a specific decision under debate is likely to result in unintended consequences. The strength of such an argument depends on whether the small step really is likely to lead to the effect. This is quantified in terms of what is known as the warrant (in this case, a demonstration of the process that leads to the significant effect). This type of argument is sometimes used as a form of fearmongering in which the probable consequences of a given action are exaggerated in an attempt to scare the audience.
Black and white cartoon of a tall woman in a dress reaching her knees and a shorter man holding a bouquet. Both are in front of a robed figure. Each of the marrying couples has a couple of their same-sex and similar attire behind.
The fallacious sense of "slippery slope" is often used synonymously with continuum fallacy, in that it ignores the possibility of middle ground and assumes a discrete transition from category A to category B. In this sense, it constitutes an informal fallacy. Other idioms for the slippery slope fallacy are the thin end/edge of the wedge, the camel's nose in the tent, or If You Give a Mouse a Cookie.
I've realized that conservatives often call everything a slippery slope because that's what they try to do. They know they can't come out and say we don't want blacks to vote, so they chip it at with the intent of then taking it to the next step and as many steps at they can. Apply to all their policies.
Nah, they'll ban leftism and trans people either way. It's not like the Weimar Republic banned Nazism, and yet Hitler still banned every other political party and did the Holocaust. Fascist ideologies must be strangled in the cradle, so punching Nazis is fine.
Exactly. Dehumanise a certain category of people, so it’s easier to hate, punch and kill. It’s better to educate these people and to make them understand that they’re going the wrong path. Violence leads to radicalisation. It’s funny how nazis used this same mentality against other people. Well, not funny, just sad.
Uhh… we're not dehumanising nazis, we're merely acknowledging the fact that as long as they can air their views unchallenged they're an existential threat to marginalised communities and they must be dealt with with extreme prejudice. That doesn't make them not human.