I used to beg for money. I was a homeless heroin addict. I learned some interesting stuff begging for money. Being white myself. When I asked white people for money they would often look at me with disdain. Ask black people and they’d usually help ya out. It always seemed crazy to me that the white guy with a suit would treat you like garbage, but the black guy with gang tattoos on his his face and a car that needs work would throw ya a couple of bucks. I’ve heard black people say it works the other way around for them, but I had no way to test it heh.
I’m completely opiate free now for better or for worse. I say it like that because I suffer from crippling depression. Life is not enjoyable to me anymore. But, there are a lot of homeless guys where I live. I give them money, and blankets in the winter. Honestly, I give zero shits what they spend that money on. I don’t care if it’s drugs, alcohol, toothpaste, or socks. The money, once it leaves my hand is theirs to do with as they please. As long as that money brings them even a moment of happiness. As long as I make their life a little more bearable. I’m fine with that.
Consider growing some magic mushrooms to help enjoy life again. Good on you for crawling out of that spiral.
You know what? I did grow some and did the whole micro-dose thing. I loved it. But, it made my migraines more frequent. I’m currently working on the migraines with the local charity hospital. So, I want to give it another try soon.
As a matter of fact. I have 3 Petri dishes with mycelium right now that need grain.
heard black people say it works the other way around for them, but I had no way to test it heh.
I can think of one way you can attempt to test it but I really really do not recommend it. If you do however please later on claim on Twatter that it was a social experiment that got misinterpreted.
Exactly! Even if they spend it on drugs, what's the problem? Let them have their moment of relief/happiness.
As an ex opiate addict myself, maybe I can relate to them too well for most people to understand. Also, what are they to do with 5 dollars if they aren't hungry and have everything else they need at the moment?
my biggest concern with the skyrocketing opiate deaths is: if I go into the store and draw cash just because I feel real bad for this person, are they going to turn that $10 into the hit that kills them.
fentanyl is killing people like crazy, all over the place. I'd give them a joint or a beer, but the rare times I deal with cash for that uncertainty?
Are those reports of people panhandling and walking home with a few hundred bucks a day at all accurate? Always seemed kind of like bullshit propaganda to me. I'm sure location matters quite a bit.
The world is a huge place and people suck. I’m sure it happens. But, in most places it’s hard to accomplish that. Here, if you’re spotted begging by the cops they’ll run you off, or arrest you.
Here we have laws that keep people from begging on the side of the road. So, that leaves gas stations. Gas stations are usually ok with it for a little while. There is an etiquette to it. Like, only ask people AFTER they go in and get what they need, and don’t go to the same spot more than like once a week. Don’t be there all day. Get what you need and leave. Bonus points if you can buy something from the gas station before you leave.
I personally only did it as the very last resort. It’s humiliating and you always have a chance of seeing someone you went to school with.
A couple of decades ago I gave a dollar to a guy begging in front of a grocery store. When I was leaving I overheard him telling the security guard that he's taking his family on vacation next week so he won't be around. Then I watched him walk all the way to the very furthest spot in the parking lot, get into a brand new van, and drive away. I was pretty pissed off because I was poor myself and a dollar meant a lot to me. This dude was taking from poor people by acting poorer, when he actually had enough money to own a brand new van and take his family on vacation.
It's out there, it exists. My coworker experienced it firsthand same guy tried begging off him three times. "Needs food"...wouldn't take food, only wanted money. "Needs gas for car"...won't take the gas in a gas can, only wants the money. So he can totally do it himself.
He said he called the cops & threatened to beat the shit out of him if he tried to run. The cops were aware of the situation. Says the wife "drops him off" in front of a store, business, gas station, whatever every day so he can "work" / beg for money.
Pretty sad because he should have a real goddamned job, he's basically stealing from people, he delegitimizes actual people in need/is basically stealing from them too, and yeah even the wife is in on it.
I'm one of those guys who don't give to beggars because I prefer to give through non-profits, which I do monthly. I prefer this anonymous kind of donation. I probably give more than those people who sometimes through a few dollars. So please consider this possibility too when you judge those people.
So, please please please don’t think that I’m poo pooing your choice. All help is valid and appreciated. But, a lot of those charities have overhead that they have to pay for. I can honestly say that in my over 10 years of being an addict and homeless. I may have received help from a charity like 5 times, and every time it was like toothpaste and socks. Which is better than nothing. But that’s why I choose to give the way I do. Just be sure to research who you’re giving money to if it’s a charity.
Also, and this is me personally. I never judged someone for not giving money. I only judged the way that they looked at me. Those micro aggressions that say things like pity, disgust, or even I’m so sorry, or I wish I could help without saying a word. If I asked and someone said I just don’t have it to give. That was totally fine. Hell, I don’t always have it to give. After all, we have to take care of ourselves first. Otherwise we can never help those in need.
Have you though if leaving to another place?
I have, but it’s more complicated than that. Everyone, had abandoned me, and I was homeless. Then, one night at a liquor store I ran into an ex of mine and her girlfriend. My ex and I talked for a while and went our separate ways. She called me a couple of weeks later and she had broken up with her partner and asked me out.
While on our date she said that if I was serious about getting clean I could live with her and she’d pay for my methadone. I took her up on that deal.
Things were going great. I started my own business. She has her own business. She got pregnant and we found out it was going to be a boy. 9 months later she gave birth.
Our son wasn’t even a year old and we realized something was wrong. At first we thought he was deaf, but after taking him to several doctors we found out that he is severely autistic. Like, on disability for the rest of his life autistic.
My partner had the more established business, and our son required/requires so much attention that I had to give up my business. I am his full time caregiver now. Plus my partner said that she didn’t want to deal with all the appointments and stuff.
TLDR I owe this woman my life. If I left her now… Well, it’s just not an option, and our livelihood depends on us being where we are. Also, I refer to her as my partner because not only are we not married. I’m actually married to someone else even though I haven’t seen her in 13 years.
praytell where do you live that has avoided homelessness and drug addiction?
“ This homeless guy asked me for money the other day. I was about to give it to him and then i thought he was going to use it on drugs or alcohol. And then i thought, that's what i'm going to use it on. Why am i judging this poor bastard. People love to judge homeless guys. like if you give them money they're just going to waste it. Well, he lives in a box, what do you want him to do? save it up and buy a wall unit? Take a little run to the store for a throw rug and a cd rack? he's homeless.”
- Greg Giraldo
There's a similar story about CS Lewis that's much older. I originally saw it in some print source, but this (unsourced) quick Google copy-paste gives the gist:
One day, Lewis and a friend were walking down the road and came upon a street person who reached out to them for help. While his friend kept walking, Lewis stopped and proceeded to empty his wallet. When they resumed their journey, his friend asked, "What are you doing giving him your money like that? Don't you know he's just going to go squander all that on ale?" Lewis paused and replied, "That's all I was going to do with it."
Obviously it's funnier when a comedian says it, just thought it was interesting that the general idea has been around for a while. Probably as long as there's been booze and beggars tbh.
And then i thought, that's what i'm going to use it on.
That's bad and you shouldn't do that, but you're also a functional adult with disposable income. The homeless guy is obviously not. The money you give him he will use to remain homeless. If you want to donate money there is no shortage of non-profits that will use that money to actually help him, as well as other homeless.
Well, he lives in a box, what do you want him to do? save it up and buy a wall unit?
Like, literally anything else? Food, water, a blanket, a ride to a job interview, hand warmers, shirts, socks, toothpaste etc. etc. etc., not a lot of deep thought required there.
Them: don't give money to the poor and destitute, they'll just use it for drink and drugs!
Me: what do you think I was going to use it for?
Is that you steve hughes?
Nice, someone knows where I got it from. I love that whole video. He makes so many great points.
Not everyone knows this but you can actually combine multiple notes to make a bigger purchase
No way, I've been looking for a £150,000 note for years so I can buy a house and you're telling me I could have bought one by adding others together???
That's something big notes wouldn't teach you.
If a gift of money comes with requirements on how to spend that money, it's not a gift.
Nice try, Justice Thomas.
Maybe I don't feel like enabling a total stranger? Maybe I want to make sure I'm helping a problem with food and clothes rather than making it worse? Call it whatever the fuck you want Imma keep doing it and I don't think there's anything wrong with it
The best thing you can do is donate to food banks. Either with actual donations of food or money donations.
It's actually a good idea to give food banks money because they get no end of cookies but no fruit or vegetable.
I volunteered a food bank occasionally and we have enough pasta to survive the apocalypse. And every week people bring us even more bloody pasta. We could probably give it people to build as a shelter for themselves and still have more than we knew what to do with.
Also we have 40 bags of kale. Which I don't think anyone wants to eat even if they are starving.
Same story, but I turned around and gave him another 5 bucks with the words "oh, sorry, I know that stuff's expensive, have a nice evening"
Legitimately? Spend some time homeless in a US city and you will get fentanyl for free or next to nothing. I do not recommend it.
I'm curious, why would that stuff be passed around for free? My first thought was conspiracy-theory like nefarious suppliers want to addict & ruin & eradicate the homeless population, and doing it via addictive pleasures would be an indirect innocuous-seeming way to do it. Watching the homeless population drop like flies: "THeY DiD iT tO tHeMsELvEs!"
Honestly not sure, my stories on such come from a recently ex homeless addict coworker (food industry) I had last year. My understanding is it is just so cheap and plentiful that people will just offer you some pretty often.
As for why fentanyl is fucking everywhere and dirt cheap, that's a bit more complicated but has a lot to do with China.
Its just super potent compared to other opioids/opiates using the same source material (opium). Its like 100x more potent than morphine and 50x heroin.
If you were slinging heroin and have a lab to make the stuff you just increased your production rate by that multiplier.
I'm sure there are some geopolitical PvP factors as the other commenter eluded to, but the economics of supply/demand were the enabler.
Plot twist: old lady was the drug dealer
He's not spending only the $5 on drugs! Responsibility means financing your hobbies with proper budgeting: it's called Adulting.
Before weed was legal in my state, I knew a guy who would sell a single gram for $5. That's like, one bowl? Just the tiniest little single nugget of weed.
When I was growing up we had trouble breaking $10 a gram :/
Supporting an addicts habit is not supporting them, you are enabling them.
The old lady gender swapped pretty quickly
They confronted the homeless guy, not the lady.
Some beggars make bank. Like, more than you do.
Ahh twitch streamers and youtubers.
Nah, car window washers.
$2 per car, 4 cars per light change, 6 light changes an hour = about $50/hour.
Edit: Since people need more help with math:
1 light change: 6 minutes.
Time to wash a car window: 30 seconds at most (20 seconds is normal)
Lets call an additional 30 seconds between cars for moving 3 feet and getting money.
That's 1 minute per car. Out of a slow 6 cars per minute, doing ~24 cars per hour gives you plenty of time to account for resting and being turned down
$100 an hour would be a good hour, $20 would be slow. $50/hr is a round average. Most work a couple hours a day.
Yes, it's illegal to walk in traffic like that.
$375/day, $150 in "a few hours"
So what? If they can, good for them. Why is that a bad thing?
They aren't doing it on their own either. They usually live with family, or families. Are also on assistance, and that 2009 Mercedes that they drove the lot over, is the family car, registered to their cousin. It's not a glamorous life, like OP thinks.
The downvotes from ignorance on Lemmy are simply astounding. People can't believe things outside their tiny bubbles.
Car window washing: $375/day, $150 in "a few hours" https://thewest.com.au/news/perth/a-16-year-old-perth-window-washer-reveals-what-life-is-like-on-the-roadside-ng-b881029234z
Begging: $400/day https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-15/professional-beggars-intimidate-women-tourists-melbourne/6621824
Begging, $40 before lunch, then went to work: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/164e6f/comment/c7sm5b5/ (the whole thread is really good, fantastic content in this post. There's a link to a blog where guy begged in different ways, and logged the results. Worst: "ex-wife" ($3.30/hr), best: "wheelchair" ($23/hr))
For 38 studies, $20usd-$60usd/day: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/10575677211036498 - which is what most people are thinking about.
