To ALL trans folk

And how exactly are you going to carry out that threat?

Lol

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Just curious, who exactly are you including when you say "we"?

They don't. Deep down, no one wants to lose their scapegoat. They need an enemy. If trans people went away, fascists would have to find some other harmless, vulnerable, terribly frightening class of people to replace them. Or more likely, if they all disappeared, they would SUPPOSE THE EXISTENCE of trans people, and continue to demonize them.

I will always have your back. I will have the back of anyone judged by their inherent traits.

Bigots that deserve bans. Technically we could see who downvoted, is one of the "problems" with Lemmy...

In a bigoted world, even the existence of the oppressed is a strike against bigotry.

Survive, and the world is better for it.

Insane that this comment gets downvoted here lmao people have really lost the plot

This is so true. A pity you got down voted. Obviously bigots don't like being called out.

So you acknowledge that bigots make things worse for everyone, but you blame the people they're bigoted against for it? What are you trying to say here?

Bro, i gave up, this is getting worst than Reddit in some matters. And yep, or you say you love them or they will downvote you to Mordor, there is no Middle ground on Middle ground

You don’t know if the world is better with trans kids in it? Are you saying you think the world would be better if trans kids were all killed? Or that they’re not worth fighting for?

I fail to understand why this gets downvoted ...

Because trans kids exist whether you approve of them or not.

since nobody has given an explanation yet I'll try to, however I am horrible with getting my words out and someone else can give a way better explanation than me.
Most trans people will either have signs or know that they are trans before they are 18. I myself knew that something was off about me as early as 3rd grade, I saw a tomboy and told my parents I wanted to be a 'tomgirl'.
By the time puberty hits is when irreversible changes happen to the body. This is also when most trans people really get the "oh shit this ain't right" moment.
Imagine being trapped in a body that is doing its very best to rip your soul apart from you, then learning that there are medications that can stop it, but then learning that people who aren't even experiencing what you are have made the choice for you to not let you access them.
Now imagine that, for 5+ years.

It's torture.

Don't worry, I support trans kids not being allowed to vote before the age of 18.

"The world is better with you in it and you're worth fighting for!"

You: It isn't and you're not.

Also you: Why is this downvoted??

I understand it being a sticky issue for people because there's so much of society and choice we put into the realm of adults. But here's the thing. Psychology has been obsessed with trans people since the origin of the field. We have a ton of data on what happens when trans people recognized at an early age grow up and what that looks like when there's no intervention whatsoever. The reality of it is that there's certain things that there is no medical fix or take backs for once you experience your first puberty.

We know very well that gender identity observed in trans kids is stable. We have a rubric of diagnosis stable enough to have gone up against several National medical ethics boards and survived the scrutiny nessisary to opt for attempting risks.

The first generation of kids to grow up utilizing this process are now adults (the oldest cohort are now in their 30's) and the results have been promising with an almost absurdly low rate of regret reported across the population...

But now you have to recognize why that rate of regret is so low. You need the signoff of a team of professionals who put the bar very high to allow candidates to attempt these risks and any of them can pull support if something doesn't go to plan. Furthermore a child alone does not make these decisions the informed consent has to be demonstrated by the child and their parents. So when people say "kids shouldn't make these decisions" you're missing that they aren't making these decisions. A kid and a panel of adults who are experts in their field, social workers and dedicated parents who have watched the difference in their child's behaviour go from very obviously not thriving in a multitude of ways to massive improvements through social transition make these decisions.

People act like it's as simple as a kid showing up and asking for a lollipop. It isn't. We have literal generations of data about what happens if we do nothing. The outcomes are miserable. We can afford to try something different than known miserable outcomes.

It's different to voting though.

Puberty blockers have been used for decades with no ill effect. It literally just delays puberty, which is irreversible once a person starts to go through it. It's much safer to delay puberty in children who identify as trans, allow their brains to develop, and have them get treatment so that their mental health is kept healthy.

Personally, I think listening to the trans community on this and having them give advice on how to manage trans kids is better than leaving it to general society who won't understand the emotional trauma involved. There's a reason why suicide rates are high with trans kids.

I would associate it moreso with children trying to tell adults about the priest who keeps touching them but end up being dismissed because they're kids. We ignore our children's voices to our own detriment.

Have you ever felt gender dysphoria?

I am fine with a stance like "I don't know"...as long as you're not pushing any kind of agenda as a result.

A long time ago, I was uninformed about trans people. I was curious and asked questions...but I didn't push them into any kind of restrictions.

I'd argue I'm still relatively uninformed. But I know that there's been no evidence of any societal benefit from pushing further restrictions on them, and there's plenty of evidence of harm by referring to the various gender studies. That's all I need. Even if I wasn't actively pushing to support trans youths, and even if I still have a part of me that sees them as "weird", I sure as hell see no point in standing in the way of their preferred forms of progress.

I fail to understand why this gets downvoted …

Because you're a moron who refuses to learn better.

I know a trans male that knew they were male when they were in primary school. Trans kids exist

I dunno, I like peace and quiet as much as the next curmudgeon, but the world is still better with kids in it.

I hope your eyes are opening.

I pray for it.

Edit: I fail to understand why this gets downvoted …

You're either with them, or against them.

If you don't give 110% support to the trans agenda, then they will immediately assume you're Ron DeSantis.

"If someone touches you where your bathing suit covers, that is bad and you need to tell people about it" is teaching children about sexuality.

So that's what you think is wrong.

Sexuality and gender expression are unrelated.

You have fundamental misunderstandings that you should educate yourself about before commenting again.

I won't reply further to you, so please dont bother.

Please fuck off. I really want to believe that you are just ignorant and mean well, but still. It's hard being polite.

I am gay, and I have known it even before I knew what the word "gay" meant. Being gay doesn't just mean "ooo I wanna fuck that manly ass so much, ooo I wanna suck dick". Does being straight mean "pussy pussy I want pussy"? No. It can mean having romantic feelings for your male best friend, really liking to look at a male celeb for a very long time cuz they just "look pretty" and so on.

I was surrounded by homophobes who constantly denounced being homosexuality. I had to spend my entire childhood feeling that there was something terribly wrong with me. This was until I actually discovered the LGBTQ community. I understood that I was not the only "freak" like this in the world. I understood that I could live a nice and beautiful life as a gay dude.

If I was exposed to the concept of homosexuality in childhood (the fact that something like this even exists, and that you're not a freak for being gay in case you think you are), then my childhood would've been a lot better.

The same goes with gender identity. I'm cis, so I won't be able to give a very good description of what it's like being trans, but from what I've understood from my trans friends, it's pretty similar.

Why should kids have to suffer for not being cis n straight? Conservatives make it seem as if kids are being taught how to fellatio Jeffery Epstein or something. Kids do need to know about concepts like these (them being sexuality, gender identity, etc.) so that they can protect themselves from going down the spiral of self hatred.

Fuck off

Teaching kids about sex and sexuality is the opposite of wrong. Teaching kids their body parts, and why and how they are private makes it harder for them to be exploited, assaulted and raped. Teaching them about sexuality, at an age appropriate time lets them know that puberty is fucking weird, and hard, and not everything fits into 2 nice little neat boxes. It teaches them, that yes they ARE normal and not freaks.

Did you not know you were straight as a kid? I remember being VERY aware of girls starting in like third grade.

Did you not get boners? Did you not have the Internet?

But they're not transitioning at that age. It's puberty blockers used to delay permanent changes to their body. Puberty blockers have been used for decades and there's plenty of research and evidence around to show that there's no harm in delaying puberty.

On the contrary, there is lots of evidence to show that forcing children who identify as trans to go through puberty is traumatic and can lead to suicide. Forcing trans children to go through that is, in my opinion, sick in the head.

Wouldn't you want to do what's best for your child no matter who they are? Children are people too and it's worth listening to what they say, especially if they're voicing distress.

Passing knowledge is never wrong, in my opinion, and it's never wrong to defer to someone more knowledgeable if you don't know what the answer is.

I would highly suggest that you speak to your local trans community to understand what 'teaching children about sexuality' means to them and how it affected them, to get a better understanding.

wrong website, go back to Reddit and Xitter

Those are unrelated, fuckwit

I agree. Children are very impressionable and there are bad actors who will try to convince them that it's better to be trans.

I love the response you're getting. A wholesome community until you have a different opinion. This is how you know Lemmy is simply comprised of the top crust layer of Reddit. The worst it had to offer.