The home page of my $1700 smart TV has a full page ad about watching ads
The home page of my $1700 smart TV has a full page ad about watching ads
I just finished setting up a custom router with dns ad blocking. Next comes a media player so I can purge this smart TV filth from my household.
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Is American football not merely a vehicle through which advertising can be pumped? You’d think the entire sport had been designed from the ground up for such a purpose.
Four seconds of action, six minutes of commercials….3.6 seconds of action, 47 replays, five minutes of commercials.
P.S. Smart TVs can eat shit and die.
I went to a game for the first time a few years ago. I recall the moment where everyone was sitting around and not doing anything because they were waiting for the commercials to finish. It felt like watching actors drop their characters the moment they step out of the spotlight.
This (and the ridiculous, eye gouging price) is why I'd never go to a UFC event. It's bad enough when I'm home and I have to go clean the kitchen or fold my laundry for 30 minutes if a fight finishes even slightly early, but having to stand around waiting for ads to finish on a PPV card would turn me into Ted Kaczynski
Most smart TV OS are Cancer doesn't matter how much you paid for it
LG TVs, at least three one I have, have a pretty good operating system. I've never seen an ad (yet)
LG is one of the worst. Only TVs with ROKU are worse for privacy concerns. ROKU, LG and Samsung make Google look good when it comes to invasion of privacy.
I've been against the idea of smart TVs from day one. A good panel will easily have a longer life than whatever smart box they shoe horn into TVs now. That's reason enough to avoid that trap.
Mark my words on this: on top of the privacy invasion Future smart TVs will be designed to slow down to the point of being unusable well before their panels wear out to force upgrades and prevent third party repairs.
This might depend on the version the OS is. I have an LG that's been great for years, then it got a ""fresh new look"" that featured a giant banner for "recommendations."
I had auto-updates off, too. Thankfully, they still had an option to revert to the previous menu - but who knows how long that'd stay an option? It pissed me off enough to finally setup AdGaurd Home on my home server.
Fun Fact: It's increased my phone's battery life by ~48 hours (excluding the rare occasion where its being actively used all day).
My TV has an even better operating system, Linux, because it's a display panel with an old laptop connected to it. Imagine seeing advertisements on your television screen, couldn't be me.
I made my Smart TV into a dumb TV by never activating the smart TV functions. And then I plugged a relatively cheap computer into it. So I don't have this kind of problem.
Your grandma does.
I installed her TV and internet last week. She barely understands the concept of switching TV inputs, and her Roku smart TV doesn't let you rename inputs from HDMI1 to [ISP NAME] unless the thing is connected to the internet. It also defaults out of the box to show the smart TV bullshit every single time you turn it on, instead of just showing the last used input before the TV turned off. So she's completely baffled how to watch simple television channels unless I spend 10 minutes reconfiguring this garbage so it's usable.
Go visit your grandma, everyone. And reconfigure her smart TV. I'm joking but I'm not. I can only visit so many grandmas per day.
I haven't had a living grandmother in... I don't even know how many years at this point.
But the fact of the matter is, the older generations don't really use Smart TVs, they're still using Comcast boxes and accessing regular TV. Some of the more tech savvy will engage Netflix or Disney+ but beyond that, it's doubtful they even know anything beyond those exist.
I have a very old 4K Toshiba TV with a built in "smart browser" that, due to me never plugging into the Internet, has a home page with news about how well Obama's doing in the polls for being a relatively unknown junior senator.
Which only works for now. They've already gotten you to be ok with the upcharge price for the "smart" hardware. Soon they're going to require online activation for "reasons". So choosing to not connect it won't work. And they'll do regular ad connection checks and if it fails to update ads after so much time the TV will prompt an error to please correct the network.
Hate it all you want, it's going to happen.
That is the way
A cheap computer/laptop. HDMI cable. Ublock origin (sprinkle some sponserblock and privacy badger in there). A TV that is never connected to the internet. Voila. No ads. None. Zilch. Zero. Ad free.
Streaming platforms that have gone to ad supported formats make me laugh because it's just a 3-5 second black screen, not the ad, and it's back to the content. Been doing it for decades. Don't sit there and get reamed by their bullshit.
AFAIK this will only get you 720p to 1080p depending on the streaming service. No 4K, no HDR.
Plenty of 4k with HDR on Real Debrid. Or even better quality and bitrate ripped from BRs, in the open waters.
HDMI 2.1 can support 4k. Find a ship that doesn't sink. Voila. No ads. Zilch. Zero. Nada. No HDR? Better than a single second of an ad.
It'll be 4k if you install the windows app for the service or watch in Edge.
What do we do when they come with 5G modems built in?
Don't buy a TV anymore. Seriously though with the direction things have been going in the "tech world" for the last couple years (maybe even decade) it is probably better to start adjusting to some level of digital minimalism. For some of us it will become a necessity for financial reasons anyway...
hah, there's nowhere near enough infrastructure to handle that.
Return it. If you hold on to it (even if you block the ads and all) it will signal the manufacturer, that this practice is fine.
And then buy a non-smart TV instead. At least one company, Sceptre, still makes them. (I don't want to make it seem like I'm shilling for a particular brand, but I genuinely don't know of any other options, aside from commercial signage displays.)
Commercial displays might be the answer, all the smart bullshit goes against their use case so they need a way to go around it in case they still have it, and every brand have them.
Last time I looked into it they were more expensive and had to be bought through an agent but that was a few years ago, thing might have changed.
Sounds like they might have the capability to just network block the device from their router too. At least that's what I do, just in case someone tries to use it.
Disable all internet functionality, set the time to the 1990s to prevent many timers from going off, attach the tv to another device that doesn’t have ads via your cable of choice. But why was your smart tv 1700? Did it have some special features?
Have you ever looked at OLED TV prices? This is absolutely a normal price.
Not disagreeing, but at some point this won't be enough. Assuming companies aren't already, "offline" devices will get shipped with the ability to utilize unsecured networks and/or other devices. Better hope any neighbors are privacy conscious too.*
(they're not)
Probably 4k oled
Apple TV was the best media thing I’ve bought in over a decade. No ads ever, incredibly responsive (league of its own compared to stuff like Roku), and is able to stream from my Jellyfin server. Beautiful interface, fast, clean, simple controller with a battery life that is easily over a year. Just a really good product. Roku can suck by nuts. Literal full page ads in a product that advertises that it has zero of them. Even the most expensive version. Fuck Roku.
Same here. One is the best made TV boxes period.
I agree. I switched from Roku to apple tv recently (and I don't really have apple devices), and it was worth it.
I've found the shield pro is better, especially for customizability.
Isn’t that Android? Sorry, not touching Android unless it’s something like Calyx or Graphene or lineage. I’ll just build myself a pc to connect to my TV if I wanted to go anywhere near that.
Have you used an Apple TV or are you just claiming that the shield is better because you like customizing things more?
how does it go for codec support out of Jellyfin? I'm starting to collect and also rip AV1 content, which is fine for computers and phones (and my newer TV does it natively), but trying to find a streambox that wouldn't need to transcode it is proving harder than expected
Use Infuse as your playback client. It will direct play AV1. However there is no hardware decoding support for it. But the processor is fast enough to do it in software for 24fps 4K. But not 60fps.
Current gen iPhone chips do AV1 hardware decoding. And the AppleTV uses the same processor, just a few generations behind. The next AppleTV hardware refresh may add AV1 hardware support. But that’s just a guess.
Perfectly. I’ve never encountered a codec my Apple TV couldn’t play smooth as butter. Been watching a lot of AV1 anime lately, never needs to transcode. I use Infuse Player for its Dolby Vision support, because that’s the only format the native Jellyfin app has trouble with, but Infuse is also just a really solid app in general, and for me is the perfect way to consume my Jellyfin server. But the native Jellyfin app is also solid, and there are some other players which would definitely meet your needs (MrMC for example is very good, but not as polished as Infuse).
Have a previous gen 4K, and have not encountered any issues with Jellyfin on streaming. There's a spectacularly annoying bug that you lose your config if the atv is full to capacity - and with kids in the house it means frequent logins are required. The iOS client also seems to lag on features and updates compared to the other clients, but other than that niggle it's been great.
Where can I pirate the ads instead of paying for your TV service?
I'd honestly return it as faulty. Preloaded adware shouldn't be acceptable.
I bought a new TV last year after my Hisense kicked the bucket and had a similar experience.
Not sure if it applies to your situation, but I just factory reset my TV, never enabled wifi, and hooked up a smart device I had lying around (Nvidia Shield). Now it all works great and if the smart functions upset me I can throw just the smart TV part in the trash and go back to my VCR.
You have to reject smart TVs at the time of purchase, or manufacturers think this shit is okay and will keep escalating until even an Nvidia Shield won't save you.
Unfortunately options are becoming increasingly limited. My guess is that they're making more money cramming in ads for people that tolerate it than they are losing money from people who refuse it.
It's come full circle.
Back in the early 00s, I invited my buddy over to watch the super bowl commercials. Neither one of us gave a damn whatsoever about football, put the commercials were always lit.
Tangentally related, FUTO put a bad taste in my mouth when they were harassing the graphene os team https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/113443396794247106
Don’t ever connect a “smart” tv to the internet. Period.
Yo dawg! I heard you like ads. So we put ads in your ads
cant one simple adb debloat any droid device? i mean adb list those packages, maybe even backup some and then remove the obvious ones?!
Not if they're baked into the system. Although that may get into GPL violations, I forget. God knows a device can come with locked firmware though.
i dont know what you mean by baked in really. all services are packages i guess and a quick google search says stuff like that at least exist at some point, e.g.https://github.com/tutyamxx/androidtv-debloat-script
i wish op the best of luck to escape telemetry hell.
Congratulations! So, how does the TV work with the adblocker set up?
It's absolutely no different! The TV is doing something weird to get around it, or these ads are just cached from earlier. I'm not sure yet. Good news is that the ad blockers definitely works, we're getting 96/100 on https://adblock-tester.com/
That is absolute cancer.
Get a cheap computer and connect the tv to it; get a mouse and bluetooth keyboard or an air mouse if your want to; install kodi perhaps, or just have your bare desktop. Problem solved
Disconnect the tv to wifi too.
There are some cheap Bluetooth TV remotes so if you want to take some time out of your day, there's a few Linux distros that ship with similar GUI to some TV's.
People who don't have the tech chops for self-hosting can also check the market for shop displays (like you'd see above the counter in a fast food joint). Those are "dumb" displays, no ads bs built-in because they aren't expected to be used outside of a commercial environment.
They cost more than smart tvs because the ads subsidize consumer models. Rather, they cost as much as tvs this size really cost (after markup). $1700 is not realistic for a huge screen if it didn't have ads. Also, fuck ads.
I tried to search modern basic TVs without the ”smart” stuff. I only found few from Philips and Procaster. Also all of them were small 24”-32” and only 720p.
Fuck ”Smart” TVs!
meta-ad-ception
Ads within an ad, about about ads.
is this about the stupid football thing?
Yeah I guess the superbowl is soon, there's another row of football ads one or two rows up. I'll remind myself that I paid for the TV, the electricity to run it, and the bandwidth to connect it, yet I'm still shown full screen ads first thing when I turn my TV on. And I don't even watch football. And I can't disable it.
Corporate America and gargle my balls
I recently took my brand new stupid fucking tv off the grid. I use Apple TV so not a big deal with the ads and shit but the damn thing forced an update mid movie, reset, and black screened. Couldn’t get it back on and went to bed, figured I’d deal with it in the morning. Luckily it worked the next day after that no more internet for you.
If you think that's bad, my Denon receiver had to update itself which for some reason fails 100% of the time when using wifi so I had to find the longest ethernet cable I have to connect into the back (or disconnect 20+ wires from the back to move it closer to the network switch) so that it could finish downloading the firmware and complete the update before it would start working again.
Wait, receivers need wifi now too? This shit is getting ridiculous. I saw a mirror needed wifi access a few weeks ago
To be fair, the super bowl ads are seen as part of the entertainment by many people and the companies generally do go out of their way to make the funniest or cutest ads of the year. Any other time I would fully agree with you.
This is insane.
USA really is a cyberpunk dystopia.
Yeah. Yeah it is. I was in Times Square recently and had the thought that this was the glitzy permanent neon lighting to go with all the other stuff.
https://xdaforums.com/t/app-firetv-noroot-launcher-manager-change-launcher-without-root.4176349/
There's an Android TV version in there as well (ik the article says Fire TV)
I use this and ATVLauncher Pro
For now I have an androidTV but I guess that whent I have time, it will be HDMI only (androidTV is quite buggy on it) and after that, I will look for a dumbTV
Oh, and if anyone knows why pfBlockerNG might fail to update some DNSBL AND IPv4 feeds during cron events, I'd be forever grateful. I'm getting tired of my router crashing every hour.
I mean... Historically I find the superbowl ads (and the halftime show) more entertaining than the actual game, but damn that is shitty.
I'm trying to understand why this is marked as NSFW... I must be missing something?
The intrusion of ads is annoying AF, I agree. I'll have to look into that link for DNS ad-blocking, thanks!
We have not owned a TV since the 00s and have no intention of buying one any time soon, but I had a look at the FUTO website you linked and it's interesting read (even for the non-expert I'm).
Thx for sharing :)
Sorry, I'm confused. You should easily be able to block these home screen ads ads with pihole or router dns blocking. I know because I do it with my smart tvs. Are you saying that that isn't working?
I figure the ads are just cached from earlier. I took this picture a few hours after I finished setting up my pfBlockerNG feeds and changing my DNS to AdGuard's public one.
If nothing else, this ad certainly reaffirmed my decision to update our network.
I would recommend hard power cycling the TV and re-evaluating. For example, on both my TCL Roku and LG WebOS TVs, home screen ads are completely eliminated with pihole dns blocking. Additionally, I got rid of home screen ads on my Nvidia shield and other devices.
Make sure that you're blocking the right domains.
Edit: before anyone says "but why even connect the TV to the Internet at all?" - the reason is because you're likely to get the best HDR quality (especially Dolby Vision) from the TV's native streaming apps. Dolby vision is an absolute fucking disaster on external devices and barely works at all on Windows (if at all.)