Is the problem really one of salary when it comes to the suicide nets?
Are the workers driven to suicide for the low pay, or is this actually a matter of horrifyingly bad working conditions?
I upvoted this post from my name brand flagship phone.
What's this in reference to?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides
They installed nets as one way to address the problem.
But also to Fairphone paying a living wage.
Traditional Slavery is cheaper than paying a wage, so is modern slavery
This meme implies they even considered the possibility of paying a fair wage.
And that the costs are the same. Nets are likely much more expensive than living wages.
Theyll spend a billion so we dont get an extra million
Time off is included in the living wage part -.- can't believe that needs to be said. These fucktards don't know how to maximize their wealth extraction. Motivated laborers will labor harder.
Foxconn: “We take offense to that. We make more than just phones. We also make TVs, PlayStations and EVs.”
Consumers: Well, that's fine!
There's no ethical consumption under capitalism. Please don't blame the average phone buyer.
That's a silly slogan, I get the appeal but I think it's just an easy way to avoid taking responsibility for our own decisions.
At the very least, there is better and worse consumption. It is utter nonsense to say that buying something made possible by modern day slavery is the same as paying a local artisan for something.
consumers: my boss says i need a smartphone for MFA and will only give me a small stipend
I love the notion of a Mcdonald's employee needing MFA.
Or that the only reason people buy smartphones is for MFA (in the years before widespread MFA, I'm sure they were getting them because they knew MFA was just around the corner.)
Edit: I think it's just easier to admit people don't really give a fuck about other folks if it would cost them anything. Walk down any street, most people are wearing clothes they know to be made by children who occasionally burn to death and many of those same people will happily fork out $200 for the "coolest" versions of those same child slave made clothes.
Shiny!
This is the reason I imported a Fairphone 4 to the US (before they got a US vendor... Would not recommend it unless you want to work on your phone instead of having it just work (they are fine now, there is proper support, I just have the old hardware). Im functionally locked to T-mobile, it has very unusual issues when Im on a call while moving and it was a bit pricy for what you get. But all that was worth it to be able to say I have a smartphone where noone died while making it.
If you install nets just below rooftop edges to catch jumpers... What stops them jumping down to the net, then jumping from the net?
Suicide can often be a matter of convenience and impulse. Even putting pills in blister packs instead of bottles has been shown to reduce suicides by overdose. After England switched from coal gas to natural gas, not only did suicide by gas inhalation decrease, all suicides decreased.
Having nets will keep many people from even trying. Killing yourself is inherently irrational, folks contemplating doing it are rarely thinking pragmatically.
From what I've seen they kind of fall down into the net and it sinks, so it's pretty hard to climb up and over the edge. But I guess it's possible.
I might pick the evil route if I can Vince McMahon walk it, looking super smug, while "I AM GENIUS" blasts real loud. Seems like the cool thing to do.
We can just go ahead and put "society" at the bottom.
Living Wage?
How about Animal Cage?
What are the wages they are paid? I would be surprised if the assembly line workers were getting a lower than average wage for the country the factory resided in.
Slave labour doesn't require u pay a wage. That's why the CCP does it.
I hate the ccp as much as the next guy but these workers are being paid and given benefits. Its not slavery. It doesn't help to make false statements like this. If you want to attack foxcon there is plenty of actual points.
For example you could bring up the fair labor report that happened after this controversy and examined 3 foxcon factories in China and found that while workers starting wage was above minimum wage and most of the workers were far above minimum wage majority of the employees still said their salaries were not satisfactory to cover their needs.
Also foxcon addressed the concerns of that report after the investigation was concluded. Including improving health and safety, worker pay, hours worked and benefits.
Its far from slavery but its not denmark working conditions. However if I was Chinese I wouldnt say its a bad job. Lots of hours and decent wage + option of living on premises is good. The suicides definitely are not related to working conditions or we would see at least 5x more per year.
