Wikipedia Editors Place a Near Total Ban on Calling Gaza Health Ministry “Hamas-Run”.
Wikipedia Editors Place a Near Total Ban on Calling Gaza Health Ministry “Hamas-Run”.
By a 3:1 margin, editors decided “Gaza Health Ministry” should be used without any qualifier.
Good. It adds nothing except a dogwhistle. Most media never said "Hamas ran" before.They all started doing it in unison since last year.
Israel banned all journalists from entering Gaza. Then claiming that all information from Gaza is untrustworthy has to be one of the scummiest propaganda tricks ever pulled.
Our media propaganda apparatus going along with it is abhorrent.
No worries, we’ll just send the Democrat-Run NAVY SEALs to sort this out
Good. It's a dog whistle
But it is currently run by Mufiz al-Makhalalati who is a Hamas-politician.
We don't call Israeli prisons "Jewish-Power-run" just because they are currently run by Ben-Gvir. Maybe we should though.
I feel like a lot of people didn't bother reading the article, because most people on Lemmy disagree with its stance.
Aaron Bandler is an investigative journalist for the Jewish Journal. Originally from the Bay Area, his past work experience includes writing for The Daily Wire, The Daily Caller and Townhall.
I mean if that's the journalist...
Lemmy is prepared to throw down at any moment, for literally any reason
Provided reading an article isn't required, of course
As it should be.
Sounds like a reasonable decision. The Hamas-run label was used to denote that the death toll coming out of the Gaza Health Ministry was not very trustworthy. The numbers have since been declared trustworthy by pretty much any credible agency around the world but the most invested hasbaristas. Therefore today the label has become misleading when it comes to this information. It adds uncertainty to trustworthy information which only serves the goals of the hasbaristas who seek to convince that the death toll is significantly lower.
They were considered trustworthy before as well but that didn't stop Israel from calling it false as it made them look bad.
Sadly don't see anything stopping the hasbarist from continuing to call anything false
I do not envy anyone near the top at Wikipedia.
This is nothing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lamest_edit_wars
One was about the capitalization of a letter in a title for a Star Trek movie. Seriously.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Star_Trek_Into_Darkness_debate
I'm a massive Trekkie and even I have to say...
Edit: It was SO lame that I forgot what the argument was even about. Fixed.
Lmao
It's not a subtitle because there's no colon! Therefore, it should be lowercase!
"But the official press releases have it capitalized"
Hmm, that sounds like ORIGINAL RESEARCH to me. Not good enough!
I Germany, I hear this often, but it's also often mentioned that the death numbers reported by them were usually reliable.
It's also still mentioned three times in the German Wikipedia article.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesundheitsministerium_von_Palästina
The english article still mentions it at least four times:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Health_Ministry
It operates under the jurisdiction of the territory's Hamas government...
...in 2007, the Hamas government in the Gaza Strip has appointed its own alternate health ministers than those in the West Bank.
The new Gaza government ... replaced Fatah-affiliated hospital directors and staff with Hamas loyalists.
The authors also found that the number of buildings reported damaged by the Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Public Works was consistent with satellite imagery-based estimates conducted by Sky News.
Nr 2 and 3 of the English version describe a change in the history section and should therefore stay there. Otherwise, you remove relevant information.
IMO, Nr. 2 and 3 are not redundant at all.
The 40,000 killed statistic is reliable in that the killed persons name, identity number etc are reported to MoH officials and recorded by them, and the dead are seen by the officials. However the figure is a small subset of the actual number dead. 200,000 to 300,000 dead in Gaza in the past year is a conservative estimate.
Yeah, which I think is a real weakness in the reporting.
40k dead is bad, but it's a rounding error of the total population.
A tenth of the total population dead, a fifth or a quarter of the population subjected to severe permanent disabilities, and nearly the entire population displaced, homeless, and presently starving to death is a clear genocide. They really are trying to exterminate them. It strains my ability to comprehend. In any case, "40,000" does not begin to capture the current scale of what has become a pretty standard, unambiguous genocide.
By the end of the article they've framed much of this as being pro-Hamas / anti-Israel when a collaborative encyclopedia was seemingly worried about appearing neutral.
There's enough there to have a good argument about sources and consistent wording but the article keeps highlighting people who think it's purely political and even that people probably didn't read the issue, they just wanted to be pro or anti Israel.
There's still a lot of people who call this a genocide because they feel / think it's a genocide, not because they're on a side. Having consistent wording is important because you should be able to speak the truth and still feel whatever you felt... it's not about hating Israel. I guess the beginning of the article sort of captures that mindset.
it's not about hating Israel.
Israel is working hard to turn the world agaisnt itself.
Once you learn the history, it is very hard to seeing aa anything but a brutal colonial project.
What happens when a nation collectively acts like a narcissistic sociopath trying to gaslight the rest of the world.
But it is run by Hamas, just so we are clear.
Israel uses the Hamas label to indicate that someone is okay to assassinate in order to justify the murder of trashmen, policemen, hospital administrators and every civilian government worker.
This perfidity is clear to everyone now.
Do you think every civilian that is in the IDF reserves is a legitimate target?
That's the standard Israel uses for everyone else.
Look at the moderator of News on Lemmy.world using this proven false narrative used to justify the murder of civilians and trying to cover up the number of murdered civilians.
Also, and I am making a small assumption here: downvoting anyone that points out what shitty propaganda their point is.
Edit: I wonder how long it will take to get my downvote?
Technically, you're correct despite the down votes, Hamas was the government and the HM was part of the government.
I think since the invasion though, any bits of government still running are doing so independently of any oversight.
Technically, you're correct despite the down votes, Hamas was the government and the HM was part of the government.
Because they're a known hasbarist and the hamas association is only used to make it seem false.
Why? Is it not Hamas run? If it's not Hamas run, then it shouldn't be called Hamas run, but if it is Hamas run what's the issue?
There was also a question of redundancy, as editors against the qualifier opined that it’s implied that Hamas runs Gaza and noted that Wikipedia doesn’t refer to the Israel Defense Force (IDF) as the “Israel-run” or “Netanyahu-run” IDF or the State Department as the “Democrat-run State Department.”
There's a clear implicit meaning when saying "Hamas-run" that a lot of people in western countries would use to help discredit what's actually going on there.
So we should also be calling it the Otzma Yehudit-run Ministry of National Security of Israel?
Heh, might as well have some fun with it: The Jewish-Power-run National Security Ministry of Israel. Sounds pretty fucking fascist.
And the Religious-Zionist-run Ministry of Finance of Israel.
They start sounding pretty cooky aren't they?
It would be like calling FEMA 'democrat run' when talking about the latest hurricane recovery efforts. It is literally true, but it is not relevant. To add it would only serve an editorial purpose, not a factual one.
Well here are the facts:
Hamas is officially recognized as a terrorist organization by
mostsome of the more influential world powers.. 70+ countries, in fact.It is absolutely relevant if a hospital was held hostage by terrorists.
Just shows that there's no such thing as neutrality on anything contentious (wikis are in any case systemically unsuitable for contentious issues). Even when and how often to mention indisputably true things can be a form of taking sides.
There's a difference between literal truth and contextual honesty.
People only point out that the Gazan health ministry is de jure "Hamas-run" (even though the biggest hospitals are run by the UN, just like the education system) to discredit it's death tolls and justify the bombings of hospitals by making people associate it with the one thing even the most ignorant know Hamas does; terrorism.
It's the equivalent of a red hat fascist calling it "Democrat-run FEMA" or a red armband fascist (the two are far from mutually exclusive btw) the "Jew-run IDF".
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