the root problem with this way of thinking is believing that people who are saying these things are the same people that want these issues to be solved. deep down, they don't. these people just like to complain, lol
deep down, they don’t. these people just like to complain, lol
The root problem with this way of thinking is failing to realize that they don't "just like to complain;" their goal is to deliberately create an oppressed underclass to be exploited.
yeah, but that takes work and money - you know what's free? blame.
And don't forget, if you criminalise those things you can generate more profit for the prison system
Not just from the fees prisons charge governments to house the criminals, either. It's also the profits from the slave labor.
"But I don't want to fix the problem, I want to punish people." A conservative, probably.
If you believe that laws forbidding gambling, sale of liquor, sale of contraceptives, requiring definite closing hours, enforcing the Sabbath, or any such, are necessary to the welfare of your community, that is your right and I do not ask you to surrender your beliefs or give up your efforts to put over such laws. But remember that such laws are, at most, a preliminary step in doing away with the evils they indict. Moral evils can never be solved by anything as easy as passing laws alone. If you aid in passing such laws without bothering to follow through by digging in to the involved questions of sociology, economics, and psychology which underlie the causes of the evils you are gunning for, you will not only fail to correct the evils you sought to prohibit but will create a dozen new evils as well.
—Robert A. Heinlein, Take Back Your Government
Overdose prevention sites are still just treating the symptoms, but at least in a way that doesn’t attack the victims. Offer free meaningful rehab treatment to addicts like China did. They went from 30% of their population addicted to opium to nearly 0 within a few short years this way. We shouldn’t be encouraging destructive drug use, nor should we be criminalizing victims of drug companies and criminal organizations.
IMO, this is the data people who are arguing against it refuse to see.
Removing those resources isn't stopping the problem, it just pushes it deeper underground. And then it spills out into the neighborhoods/small towns that have been wrecked by it.
But building houses is so boring, let's spend 5mil on police military gear!!!
Stupid people offend me. Can I interest you in some low cost public education?
Logic. All logic.
I see this guy has never tried to use a public restroom in san francisco... Providing public restrooms resulted in absolutely horrendously disgusting and unusable public restrooms that literally require a hazmat suit to clean, ignoring the needles.
The primary issue was the defunding and closure of mental health facilities. While far from perfect, we probably should've focused on improving them instead of throwing mentally unstable people onto the streets to fend for themselves.
throwing mentally unstable people onto the streets to fend for themselves
Tragic dereliction of public duty.
unusable public restrooms
Dolores Park
Ocean Beach
Golden Gate Bridge Welcome Center
Downtown BART (with full-time $$$attendant$$$ monitoring)
Wouldn’t eat on their floors, but they’re fine.
Might have eaten at the Lincoln Park Golf Course’s:
The sad thing to me about SF bathrooms ain’t their cleanliness. It’s that we only have one of these:
PS, TIL the original pissoir design didn’t try to show dong off to Muni:
Potatoes are food, not friends.
This guy has never been anywhere near an encampment. One of the ones near me is 15 yards from a rather clean public bathroom.
I regularly see these assholes shitting in the middle of the road instead.
Wow I wonder why those encampments exist in the first place?
It's as if they were constantly being chased off.
As someone who has directly worked with those exact people:
Address the underlying problems, not the mentally ill victim
https://www.multifamily.loans/apartment-finance-blog/section-8-investing-a-comprehensive-guide/
Section 8 is profitable, the number of apartments avaliable is severly low, it's low yield investing, so people don't invest in it.
If you don't want them shitting in the street, Maybe you need a city ordinance that all housing companies that rent or lease more than 5 properties must be section 8 available. Maybe you need a law that section 8 isn't to be the red tape nightmare that it VERY INTENTIONALLY is, as Republicans who can't eliminate these programs often settle for making them so absurdly difficult to use that they might as well be eliminated. Maybe it can be a simple program that's easy to use, then the profitability will seem more attractive, as it's already a profitable program according to rental investment companies.
You can feel morally superior breaking from reality all you want, but around here, there are sidewalk turds literally right next to working public restrooms.
No one prefers a public, uncomfortable shit over a private, comfortable one (other than for kinks). People shit outside of toilets the same reasons pets do - inadequate conditions, medical issues, or to make a point about something they care about. Rather than take the thing away, deal with the problem.
Quick guess: undercapacity.
i assume no one wants to shit on the floor unless there's a (subjective) reason
If it's occupied when you really need to go, decency goes out the window. Doesn't matter who you are.
