Chat control is back on track.... again
Chat control is back on track.... again
Chat control is back on the agenda again and the works is kept in secret.
Now it's really starting to look suspicious and power abusive.
"Starting looking suspicious", huh?
Here I meant that their previous attempts were less shady, even though the intentions were suspicious. Now the methods of getting this law passed are getting suspicious too.
starting?
This is from July 11th. Nothing new as of now that I've seen.
But closer to October we should be on the lookout.
Wasn’t this just shut down…?
so we can't have secrets but they can?
"Why do you care if you have nothing to hide?"
Government: hides their plans
That’s what I was thinking. You have to submit a request to read the document that wants to violate your privacy, it’s almost like some things are worth keeping private, but certainly not legislation violating that privacy.
Even more simply:
Government: closes their curtains in the evening.
The content of this document is not accessible. Nevertheless, a request for access can be sent to the department.
I will make a request and then post it.
Pleasepleaseplease don't forget, we must see it!
I have made a request but i dont have time to read if it okey to share :/ it also takes 15 days to get the documents :/
I gonna lose my shit.. How can they force it this much
They only need it to pass once, we need it to be rejected every single time.
This right here. We need to do the right thing over and over again, because once it passes it's done.
Literally how hackers operate.
The hackers need to succeed once to get in. You need to succeed every time to not fail.
thats because they want to watch you much much closer, but still pretend that decision was democratic. so they try again until we are too fed up to care.
For fuck's sake, guys, c'mon! Do we have to do this again, really?
Again and again, as many times as it takes to get through, apparently
The content of this document is not accessible. Nevertheless, a request for access can be sent to the Access to documents department.
Shady as fuck too.
I just requested it. Shame on them for trying to keep this in the shadows, bunch of crooks.
Thanks. Keep up the good work.
Here we go again
The children they deem to protect are trembling in fear right now.
So what actual people are responsible for this? If somebody were to dox them, they wouldn't care, right? Because nothing to hide, nothing to fear right?
the Council is made up of national Governments.
But surely somebody is proposing this. And it's not an entity. It's a person.
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – for ever" (1984 - George Orwell).
It was a good line but his general prediction was, thankfully, wrong. With caveats, we're not at all where 1984 forecast we would end up. Humans turn out to be more allergic to oppression than he imagined.
I dunno, I see a LOT of what he said existing today, especially the level of surveillance and control.
I highly recommend "Taking Control of Your Personal Data" by prof. Jennifer Golbeck, published by The Teaching Company, ISBN:978-1629978390, likely available at your local library as a DVD or streaming.
I think it's the third episode where she clarifies how extensive online surveillance is - I was surprised, it was even greater than even my paranoic mind thought.
What is chat control?
From what I can glean, it's another sort of mass surveillance, wherein the provider of a chat service would be required to monitor communications for "suspicious activity"
Basically, the government is once again asking for unrestricted access to your personal life "for your own good"
I always thought the "see something, say something" tag-line was creepy as fuck and don't understand why everyone doesn't get the same vibe. It's common sense that if you see someone being harmed or in a harmful situation you speak up. But this is just a blanket "see something" which feels like a dog whistle for all the nosy and paranoid people to spy on everyone and it's for the best. I guess we'll have the same personalities in search algorithms going forward -_-
I mean, it's almost fun thinking of how they'd react to my porn selection.
This flowchart explains it well:
Source
Chat, is this real?
Spam 1 if we should be worried
First they obliterate telegram (most likely the only ones that would not comply and still offer service in Europe, Facebook and Apple would just comply, Signal would drop Europe) and a few days later they restart talks on this.
Telegram isn't in trouble because they are a ""private"" messenger because 1) they aren't and 2) they basically asked for it. They are hosting pirates, drug dealers and scammers and they refuse government requests for the data they have about the user. That is the issue: not complying with data requests. For example, signal, a truly secure messenger, will comply with data requests and will send the authorities everything they have about a user, which is really not that much to begin with. This whole Telegram story is absolutely unrelated to chat control
I beg to differ - meta both facebook and Instagram have loads of issue with crimes like human trafficking, pornography including the revenge one, scams and even live streams of rapes.
Every time you try to report scams or even impersonating anybody they reply "it doesn't violate community standards"
Is Zuckerberger being accused of human, sex , pedophilia and drugs trafficking
Of course it is about chat control. American companies do allow sniffing the traffic, "the russian" telegram doesn't allow sniffing.
That's the only reason
Specifically, they have the technological ability to prevent some crimes on their platform and have repeatedly refused to do so, or even engage with attempts to do so. Because they're not E2EE they can see what everyone is doing and are therefore legally required to step in when someone is (for example) selling drugs on their platform.
Signal (etc) have no insight into the actions of their users and when they are legally required to take action they do, they take the minimal legally required action (unlike other services from, ex, Apple). Signal follows the law, Telegram does not.
States are really pissy about E2EE for this (and other) reasons. They want to get rid of it because they want to monitor all private conversations. That's why E2EE is important.
I agree with you, but just think about this:
signal, a truly secure messenger, will comply with data requests and will send the authorities everything they have about a user, which is really not that much to begin with.
A govt asks Signal for info on a user, then Signal hands over a bunch of IP logs, metadata and a few encrypted messages that are still pending delivery or something on their servers.
Do you remember the FBI vs Apple situation, they wanted backdoors / access to E2EE stuff and Apple was refusing to provide and they went against one of the largest tech companies out there. Do you really believe that the US govt just went after Apple but wouldn't go after a small company like Signal? This looks shady - almost like there's a security vulnerability / backdoor in Signal they can use whenever they want.
Why would they go after the "not E2EE" chat but not after the "unbreakable and private" one? Telegram delivers trust, users trust that they won't share any info to govts. Signal only delivers a promise that their E2EE will be enough to make the information govts get useless.
This whole Telegram story is absolutely unrelated to chat control
Chat control is exactly about baking backdoors and providing govts full access to chat logs etc. something that Telegram would never be okay with. They don't even reply to govts requests most of the time, let alone be compromised at that level.
I'm still confused about people who consider telegram a private chat.
It's easy to verify for yourself that it isn't, so how is this still going around?
Telegram isn’t E2E encrypted and the telegram company can access all your messages, however, just think about the bigger picture there. How come that the E2E encrypted WhatsApp, Signal and whatnot never had their CEOs arrested for not moderating content / enabling criminal activity? Think about that.
Shit here we go again.
Already posted about months ago : https://lemmy.ml/post/16469106, it was refused but they will try each time, again and again. Waiting for the 4 September result.
I live in Europe, but not in a EU country. Is there anything I can contribute with?
Say the thing to the most people and the dangers associated
80s and 90s = peak humanity.
Depends on where you were in the 80s and 90s. If you were in America, the future EU, or Eastern Asia, for example, those were great times. If you were in Rwanda, Bosnia, or Afghanistan (The Soviet-Afgan war) I doubt many people call that peak humanity.
Everybody needs to switch to Simplex/Briar/Threema/Molly ASAP. I'd like to see them try and ban F-droid LMAO
Aren't all (most?) those centralized services? What good is having the app if the service is unavailable? Tox, Jamie and Veilidchat are fully decentralized, not just federated, fully decentralized. They come with their own downsides though...
british flag and EU? what?
Probably referring to the fact that the following text is in English (as opposed to German).
The only way to combat this is to vote the assholes out at the end of their term.
Extreme leftists are getting a little too comfortable all over the world it seems.
I don't think this is a political issue. There is support for this kind on legislation across political lines.
The only way to stop this is to call out the leadership who is wanting this. That means breaking down political barriers so that a leader or representative can be called out my all. When things become political you end up seeing politically leaning organizations ignoring representatives who are of the same political party. It becomes more of political slander than actual concerns.
I hope this is sarcasm
Friendly reminder that 10-15 years ago laws in this general direction were usually stuffed into leftist bottles.
Not anymore, but it would be a mistake to forget this.
Here it is
Skywalker is spinning out of control!