Installed GrapheneOS for the first time
Installed GrapheneOS for the first time
I have not any prior experience with installing custom ROMs, but after trying it out (and getting stuck, and googling and finding answers) I successfully did it. Below is my home screen if anybody is curious:
I use OpenBoard for my keyboard. Unfortunately I am still dependent on Play Store since some of the apps I need can only be found there. Sometimes it feels meaningless committing to this whole thing because I'm not perfectly private; then I think this is better than using a regular iPhone or Android phone.
So far I'm liking it. I am naturally inclined to feel hesitant about using this as my main phone and plugging in a SIM since it's custom, but I'm slowly making the transition.
Feel free to share any beginners advice or your own experience using GOS for the first time. Cheers!
OpenBoard is no longer maintained. Heliboard is a good alternative.
I think Google Play on Graphene is a good compromise, since at least it does not have root access. Unfortunately it is very crippling to completely avoid Google on Android.
That being said, I heard others are using work profiles to isolate all apps using Google Play from their more private apps. I'm not doing that, but work profiles are nice for ... well work apps.
Thanks for the heads-up!
As someone who has a profile only for Whatsapp (used to also be Instagram), a profile for banking & finances, a profile for some stuff that needs play services, and a profile for most other stuff (main profile).....don't use profiles unless you're only creating one more at the most, and you're absolutely certain there's no need to share information between the profiles.
Graphene has had a long-standing bug from upstream AOSP, if I recall correctly, where it'll always ask for your pin when changing profiles, and only sometimes will it allow you to use your fingerprint or alternative methods to get into your profiles. I almost never get the fingerprint option for my main profile, and have to tap back from the pin input on other profiles to get the option to use fingerprint, and not always. They do sometimes push something that loosely resembles a fix, but it'll go back to not working after another update.
Regarding communicating between profiles, that's hard to pull off. The curveball of having to send screenshots from banking apps, say, confirming transactions, it's made a lot worse with profiles. I'm currently relying on my nextcloud instance to upload screenshots from finances, then downloading those screenshots from nextcloud into my WhatsApp profile, just to send a proof of transfer to someone. I'm definitely not keeping my phone like this for much longer.
All else considered, however, I'm not going back to a ROM that doesn't respect me as the owner of my device. I'm happy to have switched to graphene and I am here to stay.
I use Gboard with network permissions toggled off
Openboard updated for me recently. When did they stop maintaining it?
https://github.com/openboard-team/openboard
Last commit is two years ago. I'd recommend checking what you have installed. A quick search on GPlay finds what appears to be a clone that may or may not leak user data.
I found a separate profile with google play was too much of a pain in the ass unfortunatly.
Unfortunately it is very crippling to completely avoid Google on Android.
Tbh if you don't do mobile gaming, I think this is entirely doable. I say this as someone who uses Aurora Store for about 3 or 4 odd apps. I could live without them on my phone, but I just choose not to for the convenience of having a mobile client for some proprietary services I use. And I don't have Google Play services at all.
I'm using a work profile for Google Play. It was surprisingly easy to setup and there are few guides around. But basically you install Shelter, then clone Apps to the work profile. Open up Apps on the work profile and install google play services normally.
To install apps from the Play Store you could maybe look at Aurora Store?
You can use the aurora store for most of your play store need's.
Should be all, its simply a frontend. I have never seen an app be "missing" so to say.
I was referring to features, like adding money to your account. Not that they are needed in aurora.
Nah, I prefer F-droid wherever I can. The mentioning when an app has anti-features is so helpful.
But Aurora is a great second option.
vouch for aurora store being awesome
Every step you take towards a more private digital life is essential. I mean you have to start somewhere right? And the phone is in my opinion the biggest privacy thread out there. I am not on GrapheneOS but I’m considering switching soon.
I switched over a year ago and have no regrets. It does everything I want (including android auto now) and gives me at least a little but more privacy than a stock android image.
The more people who use it the more impetus there is to further develop it.
Give it a go! Its a great.
Aurora store is also pretty cool. You can download from there without a google account.
I just keep Play store installed with all permissions disabled, including network, and use Aurora store instead.
What is the main difference between using Play Store and Aurora store (logged in with your Google account)?
Aurora is a foss wrapper with fewer anti-features like ads. You could trust the client more ig if you're using Aurora. I use F-Droid for most things and then Aurora for like 3 apps I'm not willing to give up and have no foss alternatives. I mostly just use Aurora out of principle for the apps I can't get from F-Droid, but also I guess out of a lack of trust for Google (which I suppose is related to the principle of not using proprietary software anyway)
Even if apps you use depend on play store one of the things you can do on GrapheneOS is temporarily disable it and only turn it back on when apps refuse to run, another option is just keeping those apps in a separate work profile.
all android phones can temporarily disable an app until you turn it back on.
No, that only applies to (some, not all) system apps. GrapheneOS allows this for all (including user-installed apps): https://grapheneos.org/features#user-installed-apps-can-be-disabled
Not google services
Aurora store and F-droid will be your besties, you don’t need play store unless you have purchased something.
I suggest Droid-ify over the F-Droid store for ease of use, but both work fine
I personally like the F-droid app way better. It is pretty polished and has the benefit of being first party
You don't need Play Store if you've purchased something. I had to use a paid app for a few years and installed it through Aurora. You can install paid apps on Aurora if you log into the google account you bought it on.
Thanks for the heads up.
I like neo store
Check out Heliboard (also on F-Droid) and follow the instructions to enable gesture typing. I also suggest Futo for on-device voice to text.
What specific apps are you using that you can't deal going away from? Other than some social media or gamr or something. Even then it seems like there are replacements a lot of the time
Sometimes it feels meaningless committing to this whole thing because I'm not perfectly private
every small change matters
Been using that for a few days now, I'll never go back to AOSP, gboard, heli, nor anything else. Saw a video of who I think is the head of futo, giving a no fucks given presentation, says he's tired of non google keyboards that make it feel like your typing drunk. Website has a QR code to add the Futo repo to fdroid, ez pz.
What don't you like about HeliBoard? I have it and FUTO both installed, but I prefer HeliBoard due to its 'hold space bar to move cursor' option. Then I use FUTO for the occasional SpeechToText.
I'd love to try out GrapheneOS (or another OS), but I can't afford a second phone, and there's no way I'm gonna dive head-first into something entirely unfamiliar to me when it's my only method for telephony.
It does function just like any other phone so far I've tested. No app that simply doesn't work. And if it doesn't, you can simply exploit the GOS hardening in settings to improve compatibility. You overall have more control over any app, which I like
One of my biggest concern is banking apps not working. Is that still an issue with Custom ROMs?Edit: Nevermind, answerd below
I feel the same. If I try to install a different ROM and it falls I could be without a phone for a bit.
Exactly.
Ironically it was when the stock android upgrade on my pixel 7 completely bricked my phone (due to the multiple user profiles bug) that I decided to jump in to Graphene head first.
Compared to my experience running random ROMs on Samsungs back in the era of galaxy note 1 to 4, Graphene installer was so easy!
It is really similar to stock android in terms of functionality. It's just degoogled and hardened. It's designed to be user-friendly and not for tech-savvy people (though tech-savvy-friendly—which is part of being user-friendly imo). I promise you you can use it out of the box once installed just like a stock android install. The only thing to be aware of is to install some kind of package manager like fdroid or aurora store, or even grapheneos's unprivileged google play store, to get apps, unless you just want to use the stock apps it comes with i guess in which case you probably shouldn't waste money on a smartphone.
Really? That's awesome! I think I'll check it out. :)
Edit: ...Seriously? They only support Pixel devices? Wow. Fuck this.
Don't forget to change your DNS provider to something such as NextDNS for added benefits
Does it have any benefits over just running pihole, other than reliability?
You can set up multiple user profile and install the play services in only 1 profile if you want to jeep other profile more private
Have you checked out this?
I recommend you use GrapheneOS as your daily driver. There's not really any reason not to. I have been for years and never had trouble.
Look into the user profiles feature to further isolate any play store apps you still use. I have one profile called gshit and thats the only one I install anything non-opensource on from the Aurora store.
This prevents any playstore apps from accessing say photos, contacts, messages, etc on your main profile.
PS. If you don't like the stock launcher either you should check out KISS launcher (minimal mode)
Didn't the Aurora store get their anonymous profiles killed? You still need to login right?
Hmmm nope I just updated some apps yesterday. I had to uninstall and reinstall Aurora store cause it wasnt showing the anonymous option anymore, but after that it popped up and worked like normal, no sign in.
No issues here.
I have been using lots of the different private keyboards that have been out for a while but FUTO just came out with a amazing Keyboard that has better then Google Voice typing.
Sorry for the noob question, but are you able to access your banking apps with GrapheneOS? If so, how?
For me, going into the app info and enabling "Exploit protection compatibility mode" worked for banking.
Most apps should work with no issues. There’s a compatibility list at https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/
I've used four different banking apps (admittedly banks which may not operate in your country, but they're popular enough in my country) on GrapheneOS no problems. I currently don't have a banking app installed because I don't need one and it's probably spyware. I just do my digital banking in my web browser. But if you want to install a banking app, it should work completely fine, save for notifications—a lot of proprietary apps seem to rely on Play services for notifications 🤷♀️
I think I can live without playstore completely but I might need K-9 with Google emails for some stuff on my device, so I guess I'm not escaping Google spying on my IP address anytime soon. Other than that, I don't use Google or apps from the playstore at all
I guess I’m not escaping Google spying on my IP address anytime soon
Use a VPN. No reason not to if you're concerned about privacy—otherwise you have no privacy as your ISP can monitor you. If cost is an issue, ProtonVPN has a free tier, otherwise I recommend Mullvad as an affordable and really reliable and decent option imo. I found ProtonVPN's connection to be kind of volatile when I used it (I paid for it too, on the highest tier). Mullvad has always been super reliable though. Whenever I've had connectivity issues it's always been because of whatever network I'm connected to, not because of Mullvad.
Yeah I probably should but the WiFi at work doesn't let wireguard through (I have a wireguard server running on a VPS)
I'm still waiting on LineageOS being ported on my phone (SM-A536B).
You are welcome to work on it. However, Samsung devices are a absolute pain to work with.
Yes, I know that, and I tried porting it to PostmarketOS, but the build failed miserably.
Today I learned that Vanadium has a search widget, so thanks for the post :D
It gets me wondering, I have never use a search bar widget in my life and I find them rather setting in the way.. My search bar is just 1 tap away inside Firefox, which is also on the desktop... I've not seen many people around me use it
Do people really use it?
What are your concerns regarding using your SIM card?
It's actually nothing but beginner paranoia. Will it work properly even on a custom ROM, is the main question spinning in my head.
No reason it wouldn’t as far as I know, assuming your hardware is compatible.
Works for me on Verizon and has for 5+ years. Google Fi even works as I've tried that with a different phone on GrapheneOS.
Welcome! My experience has been seamless, I think most of the idiosyncrasies have been covered in other comments already but Ive had zero issues with base functionality "out the box"
Futo keyboard. Its the best.