just noticing a lot of very principle anti-genocidists very suddenly changing their focus, it is almost as if some pattern can be discerned through ignoring their statements and watching their behavior
Why are you surprised that people are talking about the current news cycle? Is it seriously crazy that people who saw the debate are concerned?
Do you legitimately think that people who have been anti-genocide have suddenly given up their anti-genocide stance to talk about the current news topic?
And is someone who is anti-genocide supposed to be pro-geriatric, and therefore being anti-geriatric is pro genocide? It seems like you are creating a mutually exclusive false dichotomy.
The message you are trying to push only works because you didn’t put anti-genocide on the other computer chip. You made a strawman.
When push comes to shove, libs on lemmy punch left at strawmen they created. Sorry your candidate looks so weak to everyone that even the media cycle is about it.
Progressive Democrats are losing primary seats to AIPAC funded pro-genocide Democrats but these assholes still think the left should toe the line and vote blue.
When are liberals going to do something for the left?
It's not only a problem when democrats do it. It's a problem when democrats begin doing it as well.
Look man, I'm not from your country, but it's clear this is the same thing that's been happening now all throughout Europe. Where there are usually more than two choices, so we can't even claim lack of choice as the reason. Let me try to explain.
Old parties have been around the block so many times, everyone knows how morally corrupt they are. "Lesser of two evils" is not something younger voters want to go for. They want a party that represents them, and none of the old ones want to represent them. They just want the power, but not to speak the will of the voters. And while some are obviously bad choices (like your Republicans), the leftist voters are especially mad at those parties that have been masquerading as socialist or left-leaning. Because they promised and didn't deliver. Just like your Democrats.
So now all throughout Europe there are newly established far-right parties getting a bunch of votes, on the basis of "nobody else is keeping their word, or representing me as a voter, so I might as well try these new guys". Trump won his first election on that platform, and he'll win the second election on the same grounds.
But this isn't a problem with the voters. For example, Germany now has this exact situation. Who do you think most voted for the new far-right party? The eastern part of Germany. The poorest part, with the fewest job opportunities, with the lowest incomes, the highest frequence in homelessness, the least educated etc. And who's to fucking blame for an entire class of people being disenfranchised over several decades? The voters?
Nah, man. The only ones who made this bed are the parties who created today's environment. Usually we sleep in it, but every now and then people get tired of getting fucked, and they force a change, even if it may be a bad one. And sometimes, that is enough - the knowledge that even if you lose, at least the people who have been actively hurting you also don't get to win. They lose as well, they sleep in the same bed as you for a change. At least this one fucking time.
I won't deny that it's a destructive mentality and that it may lead to long-term negative effects that are hard to undo. But this has moved past a reasonable situation for some. Desperation kicks in, and the need for revenge is strong. When you work 2-3 jobs to feed your kids, when you can't sleep at night because you don't know if tomorrow you're gonna be evicted while you're at work, when you can't afford basic necessities... Fuck it, man. You get it. Sometimes you just desperately want things to change and you don't care if the world burns in the process, because your world has been burning for god knows how many years, and nobody seemed to care so far. And at that point, you're especially pissed at those who pretended they cared.
You think there's a lot of Trump supporters around here that need to hear it or something? I guess you'd have to go to trumpsocial or whatever they call whatever site they congregate on to talk to them, but plenty of ardent Biden stans arehere to hear the Biden hate.
Biden stans are also seen by most of his detractors here as simply misguided, not entirely lost causes. You can likely surmise they think the exact opposite of trump supporters, who mostly around here would get stuff like "kys" instead.
You can say what you want about their politics, but the prevalence of Biden memes and the lack of Trump memes is logical for those reasons and likely more, as another commenter said you can only clean your own house and all.
Yes it's true the left supports Trump. The American political binary has rotted your brain. It's time for ALL Americans left of fascist to demand more from both parties. Democrats are the ones clutching defeat from the jaws of victory election after election.
It is a more palpable talking point to the more center leaning Democrats. Some people can convince themselves Biden did not have a hand in the Gaza genocide, but cannot deny the debate we all just saw. I am going to vote in a way that will deny Trump a win, but also I can acknowledge that Biden is an extremely weak choice for the primary Democratic candidate.
Exactly. Biden was “geriatric Joe” well before genocide Joe. Before that there was a pointed catchphrase that had to do with busing (legitemately can’t remember what it was, if anyone can help me out).
Biden has basically always been a conservative. Literally it doesn’t matter what your position is, I hope everyone reading this can recognize that if you’re calling anti-genocide folk out for “switching up” over this debate, it probably means you haven’t been paying attention for the last… 81 years.
To be honest, I don't think the policies and actions Biden's cabinet made outweigh the fact that he directly signed off on the continuation of the genocide in Gaza. But that is just my opinion.
Please take a deep breath and realize how absolutely pathetic it looks when you can't accept that supporting genocide is immoral, or that Biden's appearance can be explained by him having a cold. No "tanky" on Lemmy gives a single fuck who you do or don't vote for. You're frustrated with the wrong people.
“just noticing” that antigenocidalists… are still against the same thing they always have been, and are just using the same language that’s in the current news cycle in order to communicate it, same as you OP.
libs, if you wanna be mad: go be mad at your shitty politician, not the ones criticizicing him. ask why your pet politician can't stop signing money to israel instead of turning anti-genocide people into a stawman for some reason?
nooooooo, obviously the right thing to do is just pandering to conservatives then acting entitled to leftist support, right?
Harder to get Americans to care about a president committing genocide than about a president being senile. I'm critical of him for both reasons and don't make a secret about it.
Everyone who's not self-deluding can see that his senility is a problem, including mainstream publications like the NYT. The fact that that includes some people who were critical of him before is not exactly surprising.