I wonder which one is harder
I wonder which one is harder
Edited to be slightly more fair to people complaining that they don't think genocide is good just fine
This guy does literally nothing but tell people how Democrats are awful people (and implies you shouldn't vote for them)
TONS of posts like that.
I really wouldn't be surprised to find out he's Russian.
No-one is supporting genocide. If people don't vote for Biden (and even if they do, the popular vote might not be enough), Trump will win.
The only case where saying "don't vote for Biden" would be if Trump was actually a better, smarter, more emphatic president, and would use the US's power to instantly stop helping Israel.
And who exactly thinks that's even possible in any scenario or even parallel universe?
Not voting for Biden would be like being a pro-Hitler British person in 1939.
He's a voter suppressionist actively trying to get Trump elected under a thin veneer of guilt and shame. He's appealing to people that haven't been paying attention and think the Israeli mistreatment of Palestinians started right after October 7th, rather than in 1948. By doing this tries to claim that American support of genocide is brand new thereby absolving himself and others of the guilt associated with it, unless of course they also support The Genocide™ by voting for Joe Biden.
More importantly he can claim that Joe Biden is the only presidential candidate that supports The Genocide™, so vote for someone else and you won't be supporter of The Genocide™. The quiet part is that Trump never supported The Genocide™ because it never happened until Biden was president.
100% astroturfing
Astroturfing is when someone is loudly disagreeing with me
Yup. These people honestly think… or, “honestly” think- that not voting is going to actually do something.
Now we have two scenarios to address here:
One:
They actually think in good-faith, that they are going to make a change. To emphasize- they actually think that doing nothing will cause something to happen. Which means… they are entirely unaware that someone will be elected with or without their help.
And-
Two:
They know damn well that a non-vote will help Trump and that is why they are here. There is clearly more evidence to support this being the case as you’ll never see them on any post critical of Trump, suggesting that people not vote for him. Nor do you see them arguing that Trump wouldn’t be a worse choice. Nope. They’re dead silent on the issue.
They don’t need to actively support Trump, or suggest people vote for him here as they know there are very few supporters of his on lemmy.
However, they DO know that conservatives show up to the booths to vote. In DROVES. All they need is to convince a small amount of people to stay home, and their boy wins the White House.
One of these two are correct. The problem is that everyone loses either way- and they don’t care.
if you vote for biden, you are voting for genocide
that seems kind of objectively true to me
you don't pick and choose which policies your candidate's vote goes towards it counts for all of them
Unfortunately for you Israel has been committing genocide against the Palestinians since the 1948 Israeli/Arab war, and the United states has supported them since then. I guess if you want to pretend this is something new and Biden is the cause of The Genocide™ so you can feel better about yourself without actually making a difference then good for you. I applaud your mental gymnastics.
Do you know who the candidates are? Who the other guy is?
The person whos promised to remove all climate actions and regulations on day one. A guy who is taking dick from Putin every night while screaming "harder daddy". A drooling megalomaniacal diaper wearing fascist, who supports Putin and Netanyahu.
You're not voting for genocide. You're not even voting for Biden. You're voting against Trump.
If you're an American with the right to vote and you don't vote Biden, you are directly supporting Trump, Putin, Netanyahu and other far-right leaders.
Have you ever heard of the trolley problem? You're online, so you should have. Do you know what's never the answer to those problems? "I walk away but also take no responsibility for allowing more people to die." Sorry, not an option. The lesson is that inaction is a choice with consequences.
Voting for Biden without trying to tell him he needs to stop supporting genocide will likely still result in him losing.
I did that. I'm also going to vote against more genocide, done not just abroad but at home.
In the voting booth, there is no "no genocide" button. Your choices come down to "more genocide" and "less genocide", and you get to push towards one outcome or the other.
Personally, I'm going to take a brave stance against "more genocide", but if your principles keep you from engaging with the real options, well.
I'm sure the people who die who wouldn't have otherwise will forgive you.
No one is arguing a little genocide is good. They're arguing that a lot of genocide is clearly worse. This seems obvious, but I'm constantly surprised how fucking stupid people are.
They are not stupid; they are deliberately misunderstanding.
I feel a little bit silly even trying to “explain” this like there will be anyone who’s informed by it, but no one here is pro genocide. I would be surprised if you could find 5 people on Lemmy ever who said that genocide is good if done by Democrats, or at any other time.
Here is where to find a protest; go there and meet some new friends, do what you can to stop the genocide. How to do it, I don’t really know, but posting on Lemmy about not voting for Biden will not accomplish it for a couple of different reasons.
They are not stupid; they are deliberately misunderstanding.
Lot of column A, little of column B.
"Go to this place and keep your protest away from my peaceful politics-free community."
It is certainly not the case that people here need any encouragement to be louder about not wanting their candidate supporting genocide.
I edited it for the both of you to make if more fair, hopefully you don't still take issue with the framing
I edited it for you
I typed part of a response but honestly what’s even the point
Here is how to find a protest in case it is useful to any of the 100% of Lemmy people who think that genocide is neither good nor fine
Or let Trump win and get twice as much genocide. That's way more bang for your buck!
Dude! Nice man you built there. Really slick. What’s it made of? Oh? Straw?
Cool cool. Lightweight. Organic. Biodegradable! No downsides to that I’m su—
HOLY SHIT
Holy shit holy shit it’s on fire. The straw man! It’s burning! Your poor man of straw! It couldn’t stand up to the heat of even a little interrogation!!
Ugh. I’m shocked about this! Apalled. No one could have predicted this, no one.
I am so sorry for your loss. It must be truly a blow. Well, take care now. I usually block accounts like these. :)
This….. was fucking beautiful. Bravo!
I'm glad I didn't rile you too much
Jesus, you again.
JFC, no Democrat is supporting genocide, they're just not willing to pay the price to stand up to the people committing it.
Besides, all you accomplish by beating up the Democrats over this is ensuring the people who are literally pro genocide will be in power next year
My only goal is to convince the spineless liberals that they can't just count on people holding their nose this election. "The other option is worse" doesn't even begin to convince the voters they need to win this election
Quick reminder that was Clinton's strategy. Ask everyone here if you're not familiar how that turned out
LOVING that ratio! Lemmy is turning for the better!
Yeah! Maybe if if they add the votes on this post to the election results, Biden won't even NEED to win Pennsylvania, Wisconsin OR Michigan! Could you imagine??
Oh look! It’s a .ml’er come to spread their…. “wisdom?” I’m surprised there’s no memes and emojis though.
Your sarcasm doesn’t change what I said being true. It just makes you look bitter.
Yea but you're TALKIN about it, amirite?
For what it's worth, I totally agree. We've "lesser evil"ed our way into voting for genocide, the greatest evil. Sorry that things are going to get worse under Trump, but there is a 0% chance that I vote for either of the genocide candidates, even if one is worse than the other. Democrats will have to lose elections until they field an anti-genocide candidate for the presidency (I can't believe that's a qualification now).
Democrats will have to lose elections until they field an anti-genocide candidate for the presidency (I can't believe that's a qualification now)
Everyone here feigning outrage are pretending as if the democrats don't have a huge turnout problem this year, and I'm worried they have no interest in advocating to fix that problem except rhetorically dancing around their candidate's hugely unpopular policies
The button on the right must be hidden under a panel or something. I don't think they know it exists.
Not shown: a little treat dispenser that rewards them if they choose the left button
