Trump allies launch secretive scheme to divide Biden support: report

And Jill Stein all those other times too...

Yep. How many times were that sort telling everyone that Hillary would "start WWIII"? How often do they say it even now?

I saw a couple of those just today.

Oh no if only a single person on the internet hadn't upset them, they could have voted for harm reduction. But now they have to vote contrary to what they want. So tragic.

the candidate that will accelerate any genocides going on in other countries?

Or, indeed, in Palestine itself. Trump, after all, is the candidate who wants Netanyahu to "finish the job" of killing them off.

The polls I've seen with/without RFK seem to be pretty back and forth. I wouldn't be surprised for them to be aware of how he impacts votes in very specific counties they feel they need to win.

that go after him more hardcore aren’t exactly the strongest “supporters”.

Yeah that's just patently untrue. The people going hard in the paint on Biden from the left are your hardcore progressive and leftist base. People that actually volunteer on campaigns, donate, go door to door, sign people up to vote and otherwise do work to get people elected. Think our revolution, justice democrats, extinction rebellion etc... Its not people passively engaged in politics that are activated and engaged in these organizations which are fundamental to getting any Democrats elected. Its activated, deeply engaged, strongly opinionated people who do the work of getting Democrats elected.

And this highlights the divide in Biden's support. You have armchair centrists who basically do almost nothing and are only minimally engaged in the political process wagging their fingers saying "Any Blue Will Do" at the cohort of individuals who are being critical of Biden, but whom are also operate the cranks of the actual machines that gets Democrats elected. Any leftist worth their salt understands strategic voting, but that's not the point. The point has been that this neo-liberal, technocratic approach to voting that Democratic centrists are insisting on, is losing and will continue to lose this election. The only thing that has kept Biden in this game was an activist rebellion within the Democratic primary system that forced his response, and he's only really offered a papier-mâché stiffening of his rhetoric on Israel, but has done basically nothing to fix the underlying issue. IF Biden doesn't fundamentally shift his position on Gaza and Israel now, this is over. He's lost this election.

In this vein, the only thing that can actually save Biden from him self is a complete and total rebellion within the DNC voter base, and to basically drag Biden to a better policy position. Otherwise he will lose this election. The lame ass excuse of "Well Trump would be worse" is actually working against Biden right now, because Biden is actually the president, not Trump. The phrase "The buck stops here" is so apropos in this situation, that its almost comical.

My problem with the idiots screaming "Genocide!!!" is that they are overly simplistic in their understanding of the problem. First, if we cut Israel off, lots of very pro-Israeli donors carry out their threats to cut donations to the Left and give more to the Right. That's more ads, more canvassers, more campaign staff, and more polling moving from Team Blue to Team Red. As much as I hate the fact that $$$ rules everything in the fucking USA, it's still a fact, and the LAST thing Team Blue wants to have voters hearing is "America sold out Israel to Hamas after Hamas started the war." Think about how low-information so many voters are in the USA, and think about how EASY it would be for Russian-Amplified Republican Propaganda to convince low-information, and frankly low-IQ voters that Democrats are the antisemites in the discussion.

Speaking of Russian-Amplified propaganda, let me remind everyone of these fact:

• Russia and Israel have historically had a friendly relationship with each other.
• Israel has a strong Russian contingent. The language is the third most spoken language, and Israel is ranked third in the list of non-Soviet nations that speak Russian.
• Netanyahu and Putin have particularly close ties, both being right-wing Authoritarian Jerks.

What is Russia trying to do? Reduce America's influence in the world so it can step in and take over (it will fail, and learn QUICKLY that it is China's bitch, but it doesn't know this yet...). What's the easiest way to do that? Have America cut off aid to Israel, then step in. Alternatively, if America STAYS supporting Israel, amplify the lie that Biden supports Genocide since he won't cut off aid to Israel, allowing Russia to step in.

We need to call this bullshit out here and now, and point out the fact that either people pushing this nonsense are useful idiots, pushing Putin and Trump's propaganda like the morons they are, or that they're actually in cahoots with Putin and Trump, and need to be called out as the shitheads they are.

I'm done playing nice. It's time to call a spade a spade.

I don't think the Gaza issue will end up being a big issue for Biden. Those wanting more action on Gaza are generally to the left of Biden. It's not likely that they will stay home on election day or vote 3rd party and help Trump that way. They'd much rather have Biden after all.

So you support apartheid, you just draw the line at too many dead children?

We could have elected a shoe into office in 2020 the anti-Trump sentiment was so strong. Its not as strong now, and Biden is a worse candidate than he's ever been.

Not blaming you. You did the right thing by not editing the title and letting it be.

I guess the lunatic fringe has mass appeal?

He is materially supporting the genocide. Even you bounce between describing this genocide as "Israel's right to exist" and apologizing for Biden by citing his empty theatrical handwringing over Israel's obvious crimes.

Edit: Honestly, which is it? Is Israel "fighting a just war", or is it " going too far"? If it's "going too far" as Biden is hinting, where and when specifically has it gone too far? More to the point, if Biden doesn't take concrete steps to rein Israel in, what actual difference is there between Biden admin policy and Trump's statement of "finish the job"?

This is what I can't stand about these "I will not vote for Biden" Neanderthals. They're not making a point by abstaining; they're indirectly aiding Trump while pretending they have the moral high ground.

It’s a source talking to the NYT.

Yes.

If these were journalists with a long track record of deception

Yes.

the NYT is generally decent.

I had a good laugh, thanks!

Anonymous sources aren't totally cool, they are the absolute bottom of the barrel of journalism.

They should absolutely not be used for opinion, and normally need to be backed up by third party evidence.

The AP routinely seeks and requires more than one source when sourcing is anonymous. Stories should be held while attempts are made to reach additional sources for confirmation or elaboration. [...] We must explain in the story why the source requested anonymity. And, when it’s relevant, we must describe the source’s motive for disclosing the information.