Spain bans short-haul flights where you can take a train
Spain bans short-haul flights where you can take a train
It isn’t yet known how many flights will actually be impacted by restrictions.
Legends 👑
Incredibly based.
It helps that Spain has world-class trains and are continuously investing in expanding the network.
I'm so jealous. I wish the complete shitstain right-wingers that cancelled train investment in my country were fired. (out of a cannon into the sun)
It helps that Spain has world-class trains
As Spaniard I wouldn't go that far.. but yeah they are good. But not all of them 😅 specially the shorter routes. Apart from some maintenance issues, It doesn't help that from time to time a line is down because they have stolen copper wires...
People steal the copper wires everywhere.
I know someone that works in the rail industry with building and maintenance.
It's apparently very important to electrify the wire as soon as you are done with whatever you were doing. Otherwise someone will know that it's not electrified and they will steal it. And the company/state will lose quite a lot of money in raw materials (the overhead wires are expensive as fuck), delays and further work.
Edit: This isn't in some third world country or anything either. This is in a rich first world country that's in the top 10 in terms of HDI and at least top 20 of pretty much every other positive index.
I was once running to the station in sevilla to get my train. I arrived 40 minutes late. The train departed right after I boarded.
Much love to the renfe, they waited for me :3
I read about world-class and then 40 minutes late...
Delay is most of the time due to congestion. Expanding the network is the way to reduce that.
Why bother wasting the resources to send em to space, when a bullet suffices.
Their trains are great, but the system is confusing AF.
The move to trains in Europe seems great! But still it costs me ~£300 short notice, ~£100 otherwise per person to get from London to Paris by train so for any trips it'll still need to be planes unfortunately. I dream of a day I can make an affordable night time trip to the Mediterranean on a train
The UK has an atrocious train system in terms of cost.
Point fingers where they belong: your own government.
The pricing and general operations on the Eurostar are pretty crap, which also annoys me to no end since I also use it semi frequently. Thankfully from what I've heard the high speed trains in Spain don't suffer from the same issues.
Hopefully some competition will improve things. If this gets off the ground it can only be good for prices and service. https://www.euronews.com/travel/2023/10/12/evolyn-the-high-speed-rail-startup-with-mystery-investors-coming-for-eurostars-crown
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this only applies public flights not private flights.
IIRC that's the case in France, but per the article
It isn’t yet known how many flights will actually be impacted by restrictions.
Sadly the law in France has been made specifically so that it applies to nearly zero flights. Macron is really good at communicating, but terrible at doing
How about closing airports as well so private jets have no places to land and the overlords can take the fucking train like the rest of us?
Taylor Swift enraged!
Not applied to private flights from what I grasped. Taylor swift can rest easy.
PP member Guillermo Mariscal explained that he believes the initiative is “ineffective” because it would only result in a 0.06 per cent reduction in emissions according to data from the College of Aircraft Engineers (COIAE).
Really? Just 0.06%? How can it be so low?
It depends on what the 100% represents. Does it represent the emissions of just Spain or the whole world? If the latter, then it makes sense.
But every bit counts, so this is a welcomed change - to an extent. Family and work emergencies will have to wait longer with this, for example.
It says in the article, the number of flights this would affect might be very small. They originally wanted to ban flights with a train alternative under 4 hours, but that didn't get through.
Because he's from the college of aircraft engineers, who may have a vested interest in flight, and is therefore paid to make that number look as small as possible.
The article talks about a plan, which depending on what it includes would vary. In the article one optimistic prediction says 10% the other more pessimistic says 0.06%. Until more decisions are made the real number will be unknown.
Also because aviation is actually not a big part of the CO2 emissions
https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector
We should still try to fly less, but there are other sectors that can make a much bigger impact.
It might be a low number, but then again this also seems like a initiative that will affect an even smaller number of people and is targeting something where a completely valid alternative exists, that has lower emissions.
It might not be the end it all solution, but there won't be one of those. So measuring it by that standard seems pointless to me.
I'd rather look at things like: Is there an alternative (and if so, what compromises does it make), what are the relative gains, and how easy is it to implement? And banning short distance flights seems to check those marks in my book.
Literally the 1975
Also for connecting flights, or only if the whole trip is a single short haul flight?
Are there train stations at the airports for connections?
I think every airport I've been to in Spain is connected to the rail network. Connection to rail and bus is pretty standard, in Western Europe at least.
Airports are notoriously badly connected to final destinations, while trains usually take you to the city center and other public transport.
All the main airports are reached by train. Spain has relatively cheap high-speed railway network.
The planes in Spain fall mainly on those avoiding the train?
As per the article:
Flights with a rail alternative that takes less than two and a half hours will no longer be allowed, “except in cases of connection with hub airports that link with international routes”.
The only trip that I know of that takes less than 2.5 hs by train is Madrid-Barcelona and Madrid-Valencia . But Madrid is an international hub with connections to most of the international routes. So, my thinking is that this would not apply. It might only make sense for private flights, which are already very minor, AFAIK.
Again, smokescreen law, from smokescreen leftist party.
Spain is a fake country of horses and like cats and maybe some cows that appeared here in Detroit areas or the Midwest to New York in 2003, before or after the South American brown pride movement thing. It was like a street gang, but not really one. It was actually about tanning brown some. “Oh yeah that Mike guy is a BP member, everyone thought British petroleum nah brown pride”. One day I was like gang members keeping asking if we’re white or brown or how old and then enslaving everyone else if it’s not some dictatorship with everyone in the same gang instead of country. Or some one asking about some guy that was over and I said it was probably him that did it, if not we got another idea about gang members they’re great likable dudes that are hard workers. But it sure ain’t a union, unions suck compared to these gangs. She said what gang I said PB or something. The next day this justin holt guy is like not PB it’s BP. And I’m like oh yeah pb and and I was thinking these guys loved pb and j sandwiches so we ask him and he changes the name of the gang instead. Because it meant we were all peanut butter and Julie was the j. Pb was great but without the jelly it wasn’t that good so it stays separate to make a stand, and I said I must be the white bread that holds it all together, and that’s why they forced us to hide all the money in safes buried outside until the same thing has to happen again in the future because no one stepped in as Asian countries.
All these fake countries exist through some website called fetlife, they should probably update it or fetlife is another Microsoft Windows program. Well Apple since you’ve taken Facebook. Or we thought so.
Do you want people to use their car more? Because this is how you get people to use their car more.
Why would you take your car instead of the train in this case? If you were going to fly anyway then the train makes sense. A car would be slower, you have to drive it yourself, and deal with storing it at your location.
I am German. So I have the "reliability" od German trains at the back of my mind.
Using cars over planes still sounds like an improvement to me, actually
As soon as you have at least 2 people in the car, yes. A plane's fuel consumtpion per pessenger is about that of a car, if the plane is at capacity.
How do you figure that?
I am German. So I have the “reliability” od German trains at the back of my mind.