I'm not even sure I want to know

I have never see anything worth the hate.

You just have a very high tolerance for jackassery. You've seen plenty of evidence of hexbear hostility, i.e. the "dunk tank" that would justify not wanting to interact with hexbear users and have actively chosen to disregard it.

This is because you're kind of a jackass. Disregarding people engaging in good faith with "just trust me bro" is exactly the kind of thing people really hate hexbear users for. Not because of illegal activity or moral failing, but because they're assholes. While you may think this isn't worth de-federation, unfortunately moderators aren't some kind of legal authority, and if federating with hexbear means instance admins or community moderators need to put in triple the work to prune all the arguments and """shitposting""" hexbear users love, nobody is legally or morally required to put up with it.

It's legitimately that simple. Hexbear users are jerks and nobody wants to hang out with them, and that's enough to ban them from any given community or instance.

- For anyone curious:
  
  Source for the thread where that image comes from.
  
  The whole thread is pretty eye opening to be honest. Especially the top comment.
Best point I've read made here.

I'm also probably kind if a jackass, because hex bear doesn't bother me. Would I appreciate a civil conversation to better understand their POV? Totally. Will that happen? No. So I just don't interact. The fierce protection of LGBTQ communities is something I appreciate however.
- The fierce protection of LGBTQ communities is something I appreciate however.
  
  It's not really genuine though. They lightly elevate trump above all other presidents despite his history of attacking LGBTQ rights: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/09/trumps-record-lgbtq-rights-vile-moment-took-office-kept-list/
  
  It's just a political angle to get support from people who feel isolated away from other political movements.
  
  Lol what, who on hexbear is elevating trump, this is a hilarious take.
  
  Also just gonna leave this here https://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/
  
  Basically the whole Hexbear most upvoted consensus was that all US presidents deserve to be executed, the DNC and GOP are the same, but Trump at least is funny, kind of authentic, and triggers the libs.
  
  Also lol that observer article aged like fucking milk. Clinton couldn't have found a better way to self-destruct her chances at winning the election.
  
  If you want more: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/yikes-new-behind-the-scenes-book-brutalizes-the-clinton-campaign-123303/
  
  Can you show me where this post was on Hexbear?
  
  Also yeah the Clinton campaign fucked itself in many ways, trump just being one that we all get to deal with on a daily basis still
  
  This is the one: https://alexandrite.app/lemm.ee/post/5802627
  
  The real consensus seems to be that he should be hanged just like all the other presidents, and that they find him funny because he is not as subtle as past presidents at doing the evil stuff.
  
  The point I have seen being driven through is that they don't care to just mock people for their ideas and they really love to criticise without offering solutions besides violence and letting it all burn, which is a non-answer to most non-tankies, so there's an impasse.
  
  I just find it very funny that on one hand people say they offer no solutions but on the other hand people say they want to discuss it too much and it's exhausting, they clearly have solutions which is Marxist-Leninism, that has been made abundantly clear over and over so how can one say they offer no solutions?
  
  Marxist-Lenisnism is not really an answer since its not like you can change such a core design of a society overnight, and since they want it fast, their arguments tend to resolve into violence / letting it all burn (which tbh will also come with violence), and again for several people that's a non answer since they don't want violence, so there's an impasse.
  
  For me that answer is like cool it won't happen while I'm alive so what's the point, either you tell me about something practical that people living in the situation can relate and/or act on (without violence), or I'll just answer with something like "cool, that's nice" and not contribute more since suddenly we are talking about something that's so radically overboard from the current society that it's pointless for me, and the vibe I get is that I'm not alone.
  
  Someone else found it for me: https://hexbear.net/post/451217
  
  So them saying he's comical (which he is)but should still be executed for his crimes is a bad thing?
  
  Executed for the crime of being a US president, nothing to do with his policies of attacking minority groups.
  
  we think its funny that libs are mad at realizing the system is shit, so obviously we are the only ideology in existence besides democrat= a republican
  
  Here FaeDrifter is again saying this shit.
  
  A HUGE PORTION OF HEXBEAR IS TRANS. OVER HALF THE MODS ARE TRANS. THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR THREE YEARS PRIOR TO FEDERATION. FAE, PEOPLE HAVE POINTED THIS OUT TO YOU BEFORE. PROBABLY MULTIPLE TIMES NOW.
  
  See @[email protected] in this very thread:
  
  https://lemmy.ml/comment/3504748
  
  We've never "pretended to support lgbt", why would we? What would be the point of a load of alt right channers roleplaying as queer communists for years on an incredibly niche social media in the hope that eventually redditors would come to the site? And even supposing we did, and we were all just alt right types, if we'd spent years doing reading groups of queer theory together and kicking out transphobes and creating the most queer friendly space on lemmy just as an incredibly long extended bit then would the supposed communists we're impersonating even take issue with that?
  
  Like just use some critical thinking, at this point almost half of the sites users are trans and most of the rest are queer, most new users cite our radical opposition to queerphobia as their reason for joining, what evidence is there that we lie about being queer friendly? Like just check out [email protected] or [email protected] or [email protected] and tell me in good faith that all these people have been lying for years about being queer
  
  Identiy politics is so silly. It's possible for a black person to support systemic racism, it's possible for a Jewish person to support Nazi's, it's possible for LGBTQ people to support anti-LGBTQ politicians. Case in point - Jessica Watkins.
  
  "I am x-identity" is lazy, superficial, irrelevant.
  
  I don't think anyone is lying about their identity. I do fully expect that the trans men and women of Hexbear would throw their LGBTQ brothers and sisters in front of a firing squad if it meant a chance at a bloody revolution over the bourgeois.
  
  But THEY DON'T SUPPORT THOSE THINGS! YOU'RE MAKING SHIT UP. THIS IS EASY TO SEE IF YOU GO LOOK AT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY SAY ABOUT FASCISTS AND TRANSPHOBES. YOU HAVE BEEN AT THIS FOR AT LEAST A FUCKING WEEK NOW.
  
  You have support for Trump and Russia in there, which is an unholy alliance stripping LGBTQ protections in law, funding transphobic and Neo-Naxi groups, and spreading fascist rhetoric online.
  
  "support for Russia" — opposition to NATO is not support for Russia. This isn't a fucking football game.
  
  "support for Trump" — The other day I sent you a huge thread where they all fucking hate Trump and agree he is an odious fascist.
  
  Hexbear does not support Trump. The consensus view on hexbear is that Trump is more dangerous domestically, but Biden is more dangerous internationally, and they are both monstrous people who are terrible for the planet. Many hexbears voted for biden as harm reduction but it barely felt like harm reduction, and when you look at the whole planet, maybe it wasn't. Trump is a fascist but also an isolationist. Biden is not a fascist, although he does virtually nothing to combat the fascists, but he is also more likely to start wars, coups, or inflict austerity on the global south, which is something people should care about. 9 million people starve to death every fucking year and America has huge international influence to make that worse or better. America supported the fucking siege in Yemen. America destroyed Libya — and that was the fucking Obama administration. I saw a study that tallied it all up and concluded that America has caused the deaths of 4.5 million people in the middle east since 9/11. And for that matter, Biden's not great domestically either! There's been virtually no pushback from the Biden administration against any of the fascist bullshit happening in this country. Florida legalized kidnapping children for forced conversion therapy and Biden won't even say the word trans.
  
  support for Trump" — The other day I sent you a huge thread where they all fucking hate Trump and agree he is an odious fascist.
  
  Lol, not really. We can dig it up and look at the highest rated posts again. Hexbear wants to execute him along with the rest of the US presidents, which is obviously just a fantasy. "All presidents are bad, both sides are the same, Trump is at least funny and kind of authentic and triggers the libs" was the overwhelming sentiment.
  
  Trump is a fascist but also an isolationist.
  
  Lol, no, he's not an isolationist. He's a globalist business man, and a wanna-be dictator imperialist, who is happy to be friends and allies with the other dictator imperialists of the world.
  
  (Biden) is more likely to start wars
  
  What? According to who? Are you just going to pretend the assassination of Qasem Soleimani didn't happen under Trump?
  
  Biden is very pro-Ukraine, which drives the pro-Russia people insane. I don't know what else you could be talking about.
  
  There's been virtually no pushback from the Biden administration against any of the fascist bullshit happening in this country.
  
  Trump rolled back LGBTQ rights and stacked SCOTUS with people to roll back women's and LGBTQ rights, DeSantis leads the war on Trans people. It does NOT help LGBTQ causes to blame this on Biden. It does not help to say "well both sides are bad". Fascists LOVE the "enlightened centrists" because it almost always benefits fascism.
  
  It's just a political angle to get support from people who feel isolated away from other political movements.
  
  Fucking BINGO.
  
  These suxbears are just trying to do a psyop. They aren't good at it either. Xi could have trained them much better is all I'm saying.
  
  Aren't you the guy who admitted earlier you were lying about them just to stir shit?
  
  https://lemmy.ml/comment/3381095 (scroll down to the bottom)
  
  Is your shit thoroughly stirred?
  
  My inbox sure is. Keep the brain-drain flowing my way.
  
  Also, Donald Trump is a communist.
  
  I guess the question is, if you don't actually believe the shit you say, what actually motivates you?
  
  Honestly, the pages of well thought out responses are reward enough, but all the sweet time yall waste typing is what really makes it worth my time (all 10 minutes of it).
  
  Getting you folks a taste of what it's like to share a space with you.. well that bit is fucking priceless.
  
  Honorary Trump is a communist for your question.
- Would I appreciate a civil conversation to better understand their POV? Totally. Will that happen? No.
  
  People have actually had that conversation. You just have to seem curious and not too accusatory. Also — depending on how skeptical you come across — it might help to keep your questions specific so they don't feel like they have to defend their entire perspective in one fell swoop, although some might be up for that.
  
  They're aware that their perspective tends to be vilified and poorly understood, which both makes them wary of people but also enthusiastic to respond when they find someone they think is actually interested in what they have to say. If I showed them your comment they'd probably be like "hell yeah, send him in."
  
  *I made a thread and I was going to link it to you if you wanted to ask questions, but I realized you're defederated
- I was called a bigot because I dared to say that a person finished transitioning is no longer trans.
  
  Because they're done. They're a man or woman now, and apparently treating them as such means I'm a bigot.
  
  This isn't defense, this behavior actively makes things worse for trans people. This is the exact type of behavior conservatives want you to think of when they say "trans people bad".
  
  They’re a man or woman now
  
  This is why, this statement means that you don't view trans people who haven't "finished transitioning" as their actual gender. This is a transphobic and pretty reductive understanding of how transition works (albeit one that some trans people hold themselves, usually transmeds). I won't write an entire essay on why but here's just a small bit to chew on: consider that a "finished transition" is very different from person to person and some people might never consider it finished. Some people only want to socially transition, others have to medicate for their entire lives, both could consider reaching their ideal state "finished" or they could consider it a continual work in progress.
  
  Also,
  
  This isn’t defense, this behavior actively makes things worse for trans people.
  
  The idea that pointing out someone's transphobia will somehow support the transphobes is laughable. If being called out is seriously enough to make someone stop supporting trans people then their support was conditional and only surface-level.
  
  Staying civil, as you suggest, is what actually helps conservatives since it allows their views to go unchallenged when their views are bad and should be challenged. Part of this includes challenging people who may think they are supportive but harbour transphobic beliefs that they haven't analysed fully. And these wrong beliefs can have actual harm. As a simple example, there are a lot of "allies" who say that trans people are their gender but not their sex, which is a belief that can harm trans people when brought into a medical context where our bodies are (if on HRT) closer to those of our actual gender than to our AGAB.
  
  If you are not trans shut the fuck up right now about what is or isn't good for trans people, trans people do not need a cis saviour to come in and tell us we're being too unpalatable for liberals who will only support us as long as we don't get too uppity
  
  There it is, rabid dog behavior.
  
  You give the conservatives everything they need hexadyte.
  
  I was called a bigot because I dared to say that a person finished transitioning is no longer trans.
  
  thats bigoted you fucking godless removed
  
  I would love to put the entire imperial core in a giant fucking prison and re-educate all of you into communists. Its my favorite fantasy.
They’re tankies. End of story.

This is not a good argument, which is going to elicit the response he had no matter the context.

People don't put the effort into showing receipts. And sometimes the receipts are about murders that happened over 100 years ago? This post about the tzars https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/424265/Hexbearians-frustrated-that-user-draws-the-line-at-child-murder

This whole thread is about the historical context around the summary execution of the romanovs. While the tzars absolutely needed to end, in the context of the 1910s and absolute monarchy, if the children didn't die there would have likely been civil war trying to reinstate the line into power.

THIS https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/419779/This-Comm-is-Racist-Thought-Terminating-Nonsense

Is a much better receipt. User doesn't understand the winnie the pooh reference, also doesn't understand the PRCs effort to stifle discussion about TSM and the pressure that firsthand witnesses are under.

even with this guy, I don't understand how a user being an idiot is worth defederating. If he's going into other threads and spouting the same nonsense, sure ban him. If many people are going into other unrelated threads and injecting that kind of misinformation into conversation, that's a pattern that makes defederating a consideration.

Is there this pattern, of other communities being disrupted in this way?
- Yeah the communities dedicated to screenshotting posts in other instances are a really fucking odd thing I see show up routinely.
  
  It has always appeared to me there is some kind of side squabble between various communities in the Fediverse against a couple instances in the Fediverse. I pretty much see two flavors: overly personal grudges or hypocritical trolling. Or I guess the swirl option for both, so three flavors.
  
  It's kind of nostalgic really, for the old days of forum flame wars.
  
  The purpose is to highlight that tankies are extremists who hide their bigotry and hatred behind progressivism.
  
  I would respect you more if you had more interests than disliking these people.
  
  You don't dislike people who deny and even celebrate genocides? Don't think I want your respect if such content is okay with you.
  
  Show me some receipts
  
  Cherry picking sarcastic comments is fine even
  
  https://sh.itjust.works/search?q=genocide&type=Posts&listingType=All&communityId=25693&page=1&sort=TopAll
  
  Awesome
  
  Please include references to the context. If those users are spouting this crap on other instances and they do nothing about it defederating is a good option.
  
  If they are having private shitbird conversations within their own community, block the communities on your instance.
- Lib comment
  
  I hope you didn't cry about it
  
  No, Donald Trump's communism saved me

Lol, that's because the mods of said threads already had to delete all the bullshit they posted once they "accidentally found this on all" and then descent on it like locusts (but they're totally not brigading!!!1!)

Here's one of their mods:

SJW is shit just works in this context. Also yeah, do you expect her to be civil to bigots?
and guess what

Kill yourself, bigots. I will not be civil to those who view me as lesser. I view you as lowly as you do me.

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1854795

How about flooding a meta thread that’s not on their own instance to insult people who disagree with them?

Part of the drama with that incident included hexbear folks straight up saying “I thought the whole point of federating with other instances was so that we could dunk on liberals”. Majority of folks on hexbear did not see any issues with the behavior of their members on this post.

Oh wow, there's more hexbear comments than blahaj comments. Almost every blahaj comment has like 3-4 responses. I read a comment of someone saying that the thread looks wildly different if you see it from an instance that defederated them, and it's so sad that it is completely different.
How about flooding a meta thread that’s not on their own instance to insult people who disagree with them?

if you consider this a flood imma be real with you, you are very new to the internet

If you'd like examples I know some of their bad takes are starting to be posted to [email protected]

I have been there and not seen anything worth banning an instance.

Can you give a direct link to somersaulting you think should result in de-federation?
- You may have me confused with someone else. I didn't say anything about defederation or banning instances.
  
  What in your opinion is behavior or views that is worthy of defederation? There appears to be many different standards for that from what I've seen.
- Sealion alt account, got it.
  
  Any account I don't agree with is a saeloin. Got it.
  
  Someone provided what I was asking for and I changed my stance in a reply 10 minutes before you commented.
  
  See my reply to @SkyezOpen in this thread.
  
  Thank you.
  
  Finally something ban worthy.
  
  I agree completely that any instance that hosts that type of content should be de-federated.
  
  Now, I am sure you will retract your accusation...
  
  Got it, still being a sea lion.
  
  You asked for evidence. I provided it but it wasn't enough?
  
  What is that called?...
  
  Still asking questions I see.
  
  Still passing judgement I see.
- They're tankies. End of story.
  
  Just throwing out the word tankie is pretty much meaningless at this point. It might as well be “woke”. If you have specific issues explain that rather than just trying to shut down a conversation with a word. Some users might be a bit too sympathetic too China but I’ve typically seen them more come from a reasonable non US propaganda viewpoint and have been open to actual criticism about China. Some of it can seem like whataboutism but to be fair a lot of the complaints I see about China are shit the US does as well so it can be a fair point.
  
  In terms of the "tankie problem", it's mostly supporting Russian aggression in Ukraine pretty much solely to "own the libs" and "get back at the evil NATO". Most "tankies", a term that has become effectively meaningless from overuse, are more accurately political contrarians who care less about things getting better for more people and more about Owning The Libs.
  
  There's honestly a good chunk of them on most fediverse instances just due to the general community vibe, with Hexbear having more than, say, lemmy.world, but less than lemmygrad. Hexbear stands out moreso to being the successor to Chapo Trap House, a community notorious for being so utterly vile to interact with that nobody wants anything to do with them.
  
  I appreciate you actually explaining your position behind the use of the word. I have a lot of issues with NATO and some with Ukraine but I agree that Russia is the aggressor in this situation. I have noticed that some of their users are pro-Russia but most of what I’ve seen is more anti-NATO which I can understand. As I said in another comment I definitely see some of the users troll more than I agree with and I personally prefer to deal with things in a different manner but overall I’m fine with being federated with them.
  
  Do your think Ukraine and NATO are above reproach?
  
  No, but they're absolutely the lesser of two evils here. I'm generally not sure how people justify a war of territorial expansion to stroke the ego of a geriatric dictator in Ukraine, then turn around and get angry about a war of territorial expansion to stroke the ego of a geriatric dictator in, say, Afghanistan.
  
  It's hypocrisy. You dronestrike a children's hospital in Kabul and everyone acknowledges the evil of it, but Russia dronestrikes a children's hospital in Ukraine and suddenly it's justified as "retaliating against western imperialism". Sure, and Iran had nukes Uncle Sam needed to find, too.
  
  For me, I don't support what Russia is doing. I just don't want to further empower the US military industrial complex. Every couple of years there needs to be a new evil enemy for us to be scared of so that the money can keep flowing into weapons and so that we have excuses to extract value out of other countries in conflict. It's obvious we don't do this for humanitarian reasons or we wouldn't be allies with countries like Saudi Arabia (or see the entire history of US intervention since WWII). Whether Russia wins or loses the war, people in Ukraine aren't winning, they're just seeing which imperialists are going to be exploiting them for the near future.
  
  In the abstract I don't oppose assisting countries against imperialist aggression with military force. But playing into US warmongering doesn't really do that and in the process is further making the world a worse place.
  
  A good deed done for the wrong reasons is still a good deed. The reason why NATO is the lesser of two evils in this sense is that between two brutal authoritarian regimes, NATO is significantly more hands-off and more open to being manipulated by civilian interest than the more brutally right-wing Russian regime. One of these exploitative imperialists will probably let you get gay married, the other one will kill you for it. The US military industrial complex will pick a target regardless. It may as well be a target that ends up counteracting Russian imperialism; I'd rather have those bullets in Russian corpses than, say, whatever country Saudi Arabia has decided needs bullying this week.
  
  Anyways, the core of the issue is that it takes a LOT of hand-wringing and "b-but both sides" to justify active warfare to sit back and let an imperial power shit hellfire down civilians' throats. Anyone who actively supports pulling out of Ukraine is, bluntly, just kind of an idiot.
  
  Do you think Ukraine deserved to have Russia invade?
  
  Lesser of two evils? Please. How old do you think I am, ten? I’m not at all sure they’re the lesser of two evils, but then I’m pretty critical of things like imf, World Bank, allying with Saudi Arabia “ccp bad” garbage. Humans are animals and I’m here to learn and the western narrative is rather sanitized so no thanks.
  
  You are a political contrarian if you think invading a sovereign nation is justified by "the western narrative is rather sanitized". You don't care about people's lives or welfare, you care about Being Special and Being Better Than Other People.
  
  To be blunt, you disgust me with your callous disregard for the lives of innocents solely to be cool and edgy on the internet.
  
  Well apparently Kbin has some political contrarians too, who'd have thought.
  
  There's always at least one. I just hope that it's more of an edgy-rebellious-phase thing.
  
  Contrarian? Hardly. I’m just aware that Western Europe and the USA have their own agendas, engage in propagandizing their own citizens, to greater or lesser extent. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous. Notice how lacked the behavior, not the person, without knowing more? Try out sometime.
  
  So trying to frame this as "which is worse" is just a bad argument.
  
  Put some effort into proving your position.
  
  You also seem pretty condescending, why should people respect you if you don't respect them?
  
  Again. Trust me bro.
  
  That is not evidence.
  
  Literally scrolled for 10 seconds and hey genocide denial. https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/c9fc2504-6828-4d30-ad4a-9224e2a2e58f.png
  
  Not to mention unironic Russia shilling. When I called out a mod he responded with "oh yeah well America worked with nazis."
  
  Cool. That's bad too. They're contrarian to the point of parody. Literally any wrong by China Russia or north Korea is justified by "well America did the same thing" as if leftists as a whole aren't already on board with that thing being bad, but it still doesn't excuse that bad thing now.
  
  Thank you.
  
  Finally something ban worthy.
  
  I agree completely that any instance that hosts that type of content should be de-federated.

I haven't really had any issues with them. That said, literally the thread above this one in all top hour has a bunch of people hoping Biden gets COVID and dies...so there is that.

https://hexbear.net/post/515198

Meh. I have seen the same said about Musk, Trump and others.

While I don't agree with that being said about anyone, I think it is still up to a person to decide if they want to block hexbear.
- For sure, I'm not advocating blocking or defederating at all. But you asked for examples of hexbear being unsavory and I provided one. That is all. It would be more of an accumulation instead of one singular instance that might push some over the edge.

I don't know personally, but a commenter above wrote:

I appreciate that they help stomp out fascist, racist, and anti-trans rhetoric on Lemmy.

So if there's any truth in that, the backlash could be a bunch of whiney butthurt Nazis.

I went to a link below and honestly, as another commenter succinctly summarized as “whiny butthurt Nazis” was a giant “freedom” murica style. Seriously, my eyes hurt, I left.
Again: can I please have a link to show why they are bad.

Otherwise it is just: Trust me Bro
- No you may not have a link. Linking to bad things makes a person bad. Providing evidence of bad things makes a person bad. Anything other than belief makes you bad. In fact I think you must be one of the bad people, because evidence of righteous claims supports the idea that righteous claims require evidence, which is bad.
  
  Well someone posted a bunch of screenshots that just make you look kinda goofy now

You want to form your own opinion, so go check it out.

I’ve been asking for links to examples, in posts about online trends, for about a decade now and nobody has ever even once risen to the challenge.

At this point any claim of the form “The internet has X happening on it” I just immediately dismiss until I see evidence. Which I never do.

I'm sure a lot of people just think your a sea lion.
It's not the rest of the internet's responsibility to do your research for you.
- It's not everyone on the internet's responsibility to change their opinion to match yours. It is incredibly narrow minded to assume that someone would just do "research" and end with the same opinion of a group of people as you.
  
  If you see someone express an opinion, and you don't know why, you ask them, not go to other sources to find why.
  
  If you rely on others to fill you in with knowledge, you must not have learned anything after school.
  
  If you rely on others...
  
  Yeah, I'm sure you formed that opinion on a factual basis that you found through no help from what others posted or said. When I want to learn something, I do research on books and online media. When I want to understand someone's opinion, I ask them. If you don't know the difference between those two, your problems stem way earlier than "after school".
  
  You sound like the closeted book nerd that doesn't understand public opinion. Like all the people on Twitter who once read something about "blacks are more violent than other races", and if you ask them why they think that, how many stats they read that confirm that, possibilities of other reasons for a study's conclusion, they respond with "It’s not the rest of the internet’s responsibility to do your research for you"- sound familiar?
  
  If you want to accuse this "intensely human" person of lying, just do it. But claiming that anyone who hasn't seen an example within thousands (tens of thousands? hundreds of thousands? Only been around for 2 months, but millions of site uses) of posts of users being "tankies" just needs to "research" is obtuse and moronic. If someone makes the claim, surely they have an example, and don't expect everyone who sees this meme to read thousands of messages before continuing on their journey through !memes.
  
  Except you, of course, who has clearly learned after school not to rely on others, so you must have read all of the comments from various hexbear users yourself, and not taken that opinion from some other poster's list, right? You did waste all that time before suggesting others do the same for no reason, right?
  
  K buddy, I'm not reading that.
Never? With variable “X” never?