Cher Says The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Can Go Fuck Itself
Cher Says The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Can Go Fuck Itself
Cher has done a lot of things. She scored her first Hot 100 chart-topper in 1965 and her last in 1999. (At 52, Cher was the oldest woman to land a #1 hit until last week, when Brenda Lee broke the record.) Cher sang backup on “Christmas (Baby, Please Come Home)” and “You’ve Lost That Lovin’ Feeling....
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Just read it, holy fucking fuck.
You know, that interview isn't as bad a proof that he's a douche as people make it out to be.
I'm not saying he isn't douche, he is. I'm just saying that specific interview wasn't damning the way it's been made out to be. What that interview points out and proves is that he's old and arrogant and doesn't bother to think.
It's his actions in the rest of his life that damn him as a douche.
Being real though, the fact that Rosetta godsblessed Tharpe was not in the very fucking first induction is proof the whole thing is bullshit. Sister Tharpe gave fucking birth to rock n roll. The fucking BEASTIE BOYS were in there before her. I fucking love them, but they aren't rock n roll at all.
You can look at how many foundational rock n roll artists still aren't listed, while non rock acts get in for hype.
It's an empty, bullshit entity created to make money, not give real respect to artists.
Jimi Hendrix was the keystone transformation in rock and paved the pathway to metal, as well as bringing electric guitars into the mainstream and being the first known artist to incorporate distortion into his music as he did. The whammy bar was a novelty before Hendrix. And before he used a whammy bar, he'd produce distortion by holding his guitar specific ways around his speakers to use the feedback purposefully.
I swear Jimi Hendrix must have been a savant..
I agree that the rock n roll hall of fame is a sham organization, but Jimi Hendrix was the greatest influence on rock and I will die on this hill!
Did you reply to the wrong comment? Because I don't get how arguing that one person should be in the hall of fame is an argument either for or against an argument that other foundational people should also have been in the hall of fame from the start.
Jim's great, no argument there, but he's much more a transformational force in a later generation of Rock 'n Roll than anything like a founding father/mother.
Even if you are not a fan, her legacy and impact is indisputable.
Did you just "you're god damn right" yourself?
I'll never forget her ethereal performance as Bill Murray's alarm clock in Groundhog's Day.
She was robbed at the Oscars that year.
Good for her.
I am indifferent to both Cher and the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. I’m surprised I even put in the effort to post this comment.
Thank you for your contribution.
Edit: nah
Agree. But I dont think she "change the music forever" with Believe, as she claims.
EDIT to add that talk box and vocoder were around in the 70s : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En8uiRa8jPE
Oh she did. Or rather her producers did (although I've read they claim to have used vocoders, not pitch correction, but who knows). Just listen to basically any modern "hip-hop" and you hear that crap.
Or maybe they just listened to the Sesame Street theme song from 1972? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMDCjA9_-tM Cause Vocoder and talk box were around way before Cher and her producers. Believe was just a big hit song, nothing innovative about it, Kraftwerk had been using that king of sound almost 30 years before she did.
The idea that random people pick a select few musicians to be inducted is just more artificial scarcity bullshit. It's not a legitimate institution if it can't recognize more people to give a wider breadth of exposure to the legacy of rock n roll. By inducted some, they pretend they have the authority to determine the legacy of rock n roll, but their snubs say more about their deficiencies than about those they snub.
What a weird mix of examples in the summary that doesn’t do justice to her career. Was it written by the hall of fame?
Why does a pop singer care about rock and roll hall of
fame? Do they induct pop singers as well?I'm not sure if you're being factitious or not but, yes, the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inducts pop music. In fact, it is, by definition for pop music as it is a record of the music that has influenced our society through popularity. The museum is great, and the idea of a HoF for rockstars is fun, serious and laughable. Cher absolutely belongs in it, but they only allow so many in each year... I do hope she gets in during her lifetime.
Pop is a genre, an actual style of music, not simply whatever is popular. Sometimes using a word like 'popular' in a genre name is a bad idea
See also: modern art, and the unwieldy term 'post-modern'.
The Rock Hall is pretty loosey-goosey with its terms. Dolly Parton was inducted last year, which she gracefully ended up accepting only after promising to release a real rock album.
Which she did last month, by the way, and it slaps. Dolly forever.
She is a treasure.
Yeah all the answers I've seen so far either dismiss this or discuss the word "pop".
"Believe" was pop, and did she particularly do rock a lot? Cause I can't recall. And I'm sure she's awesome, but that still doesn't automatically make her eligible for a rock and roll hall of fame.
So either she did rock (and roll), or the name of this list is basically wrong, or she doesn't belong on there.
And don't get me wrong, if she really doesn't care, good for her. No need to be pissed you don't get a price, ppl will probably recognize your impact even without a price.
I thought that too until someone pointed out they induct country and rap. But really Cher wasn't as important as she thinks she is.
Do they induct pop singers as well?
Yes the Beatles are in.
Whitney Houston was inducted a couple of years ago. You don’t get more pop that than that, she was not rock at all; that year, she beat out Motörhead, Judas Priest, and Todd Rundgren. I don’t see how she influenced rock music, and yet, she even beat out someone who inspired her, and whose music is more closely related to rock than hers was, Chaka Khan.
I’m not saying she wasn’t incredibly talented, just that either she just doesn’t belong in the Rock n Roll HoF, or that the institution itself is a joke that shouldn’t exist.
Anyway, yeah, they induct pop singers.
why should i care if a museum thinks music is good
Because someone's favourite artists isn't in there, even tho they probably don't want to be.
Okay, maybe she did say it... but WHEN she said it, it sounded like an AI autotuned toilet echo.
They should put her in the Hall just because of this action. Maybe put a sticker saying "we rocked you". That'd be such a rock-ish thing to do.
Tbf, there aren't a lot of women on that list. I saw Jay Z and no Beyonce? Tina Turner is alongside Ike? Idk, from that list, she probably shouldn't take it personally, they don't seem to dig chicks doing music. https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/a-z
I dunno, I think it's pretty reasonable for "chicks" to take that personally.
Real question, they suck and are obviously sexist, why would any woman want to be part of that crowd? Being recognized as a great by them is like being recognized by nazis. Rock and Roll is based on black blues, he didn't think that black people were thoughtful enough to include in the "masters" list, he actually said that. When someone asked why no POC or women in the masters book, he mentioned that he supposed he could have included a couple of black men or something and named a couple. That list is BS and doesn't matter.
I'm glad Cher is calling it out, because I learned that the hall of fame is a sham and incredibly bad, but I really think she shouldn't take it personal. Honestly, that one should be replaced, someone in the music industry should make a new one that reflects the actual industry.
The fact that willie nelson is in there is some grade a bullshit.
