Oh god, I run hackintosh and had a problem for months that Win10n wouldn't update correctly. Had to pull every drive but Win10 before it would update correctly, then properly corrupted itself and I had to do a fresh install anyway. POS OS.
I can't stand how windows updates are so intrusive. Sometimes I'll leave my computer on running a task overnight and Windows will just say "Oh fuck you, I restarted halfway through the night, and then your computer sat idle for 3 hours". And, btw, I have updates "suspended"
I'm like everyone else here, I run Linux for most of my stuff, but Windows is on one last box, and it's just so aggravating now
I am so satisfied with my Windows Amliorated version because it will never have Microsoft updates ever again, only through playbooks. Every bad thing is removed. I just love it and ots the first time I actually feel comfortable and not betrayed. I feel like the OS is mine and not an entity with its own desire and magic.
But of course I use Arch linux btw. Only using Windows for VR gaming
What are you all doing with your installs.
Literally never happened to me. Not in 1809, 1903, 1909, 20H1, 20H2, 21H1 ever.
It surely did some stuff believing it was idling while I was just surfing on my phone but it never restarted from itself. And I manage a good amount of PCs (Win 10/11 Pro) to say this is not a thing. At least not in Germany.
At a certain point, Windows decides that you're going to update whether you like it or not. It's one of the main reasons I stopped using it. And the updates honestly suck so hard. Such a shitty upgate process.
I've had it happen three times in the last ~1 year each time killing some running process that I kept my pc on for. IIRC it were robocopy backups twice and once during deep sky photography.
I get why they force updates, but resarting is a bit too much for me. Although I understand why they do it, there's so many people just never shutting their systems down and Windows apparently just needs to reboot a lot for updates.
If you haven't noticed it on your machines, it probably is because you keep them updated and restart them regularly (or disabled the "feature" somewhere).
One thing I give Linux credit for is how it handles updates. Like, yeah, Linux doesn't force updates, that we all know, but I like how at least in the GNOME desktop, there is no "Update and action" button, there is only the shutdown and restart buttons, where if I am to press either, the system will ask me if I want to install updates or not with a nice box to tick the option. Nowhere near as cluttered as it is in the picture.
On most distros you don't need to restart to update. Mint will just put an icon on the taskbar when updates are ready, and you can even tell it to just do it in the background. No restarts or shutdown warnings.
Yeah. GNOME does this probably because it's safer and ensures that the packages are downloaded in full before applying updates in an environment that is less likely for something to go wrong (Although I particularly don't know how true this is)
Mint with Cinnamon is very Windows like from the UI. You probably won't need to touch the terminal for running steam games - there's a GUI for pretty much anything a normal user would need.
These days the learning curve for Linux isn't all that steep; I've tricked people into thinking my Linux Mint machine was running "Windows 9." What you should expect are culture shocks. We're going to call things different names, some things are done differently. Where Windows has "shortcuts" Linux has "Links" (to files) and "Launchers" (to run programs). Same functionality, two concepts instead of one. We actually use our app store, but since everything in there is free we don't call it a "store," we call it a "package manager."
As for the 'terminal "language",' let's demystify this a bit. Yes, the Command Line Interface does consist of a more or less complete programming language with loops and conditionals and such, but all that isn't really necessary to use it as a basic user interface. It's actually pretty simple.
You type the name of a program, hit enter, and it runs that program.
Like if I want to open VLC from the terminal, I can just type vlc and hit enter.
There are some nuances to it but that's generally it.
For example, let's say I want to listen to the very hottest new track by my favorite band in VLC, and for some reason I want to use the terminal instead of clicking the mouse a bunch of times. I can type vlc /Music/don't_you_want_me_baby.mp3 into the terminal and VLC will open and immediately begin playing that track. But what if just one run of the song isn't enough? What if I want to hear the groundbreaking sound of The Human League over and over? I can add --repeat to the command as an option, and it will repeat the track endlessly. Options will either be one dash and one letter, or two dashes and a word. -R is the same as --repeat in this case. If you want to know what the options are for a given program, you can type [program name] --help. I used vlc --help to find out about the --repeat option.
That's mostly how you're going to use the terminal at first, by typing the name of the program you want to run, and maybe some options or arguments (--repeat is an option, the name of the file is an argument).
You can, of course, open up the file explorer to your Music folder and double click the file you want to hear, or launch VLC from the app menu and drag and drop the file, or click Open and deal with the dialog, the GUI exists for a reason. Where you're probably going to encounter the terminal early on in your Linux journey is when you're having some problems, and you ask for help on a forum or Lemmy community or something. The experienced Linux users who offer to help will ask you to run a terminal command and copy-paste its output. Because it's fast and easy for you to copy-paste the command I want you to run, and the text it spits out as output. Compared to "Right click on the task bar and click Properties, then go to Devices and click Driver Manager..."
As for whether a noob like you will survive on Linux for gaming: At this point it still depends on your taste in games, because especially competitive multiplayer shooters often exclude Linux on purpose because "something something anticheat." I play a lot of indie and small studio games, single player or cooperative multiplayer, stuff like Stardew Valley, Factorio, Subnautica, Unrailed. These work great, and to get up and running I have to do less on Linux than on Windows.
My recommendation: Download VirtualBox, download Linux Mint Cinnamon Edition, and run Linux in a virtual machine. Give it a try. You might like it.
The learning curve is not as bad as it used to be. Almost everything can be done through the GUI, many tutorials exist, and steam will run almost any game without tinkering with it. ProtonDB is your friend.
Yes. Most things can be done without the terminal, and when it's required, 99% of the time you'll easily find a guide with instructions you can just copy/paste.
I wouldn't recommend it for my 78 year old mother who needs me to add her email account to her tablet, but anyone remotely computer-savvy can handle the transition.
The Linux community is generally very helpful and welcoming. If ever you can't figure something out, someone somewhere will probably be willing to help.
There will be things to learn and unlearn, but modern Linux distros are fairly smooth sailing for basic tasks if your hardware supports Linux well. Laptop support is a little more spotty, where there may be issues with suspend, or the Wi-Fi needing 3rd party drivers, but desktops will probably work without much fuss (and there are plenty of laptops with no issues).
Gaming has been made much easier thanks to wine and proton, particularly valve’s contributions. For steam games, many of them will just work out of the box or after ticking a checkbox. ProtonDB is invaluable for quickly seeing how well a game will run on Linux.
But as you’ll see as you read some of the reports on ProtonDB, there will likely be a more troubleshooting than you’re used to on windows. As long as you know how to Google the name of your distro + the problem you’re seeing, you’ll usually find a solution.
You don’t need to be a terminal master to use Linux nowadays. But most things are easier to explain with terminal commands than with step by step gui instructions, so many guides online will have you use the terminal to some degree.
Honestly, the best advice I can give is just try it. If you have a spare drive (internal or usb), just go ahead and install Linux to it. If you want to be extra sure you won’t do anything to your existing windows install, remove the windows drive first (or disable it in bios). Then play around with things and see how it feels.
So the reason it does this is Windows update requires a reboot. So it installs the patch, reboots AND THEN shuts down. If your missing the final shut down it's becuase something is preventing it or you started using it again.
Usually I've seen this be an issue on custom build rigs where bios might be out of date or something like fast boot is enabled which is known to cause issues in some cases where computer won't shutdown cleanly.
The confusing mess that is Windows update feels like the result of a large corporation of many people that are pulling in different directions while they attempt to meet the requirements of users that are completely ignorant and apathetic.
I don't understand why I need to choose 'restart and update'. Why can't this be achieved from shutting down? It's programmed as if shutting down means I'm never coming back to the machine again. Shutdown is the wrong word, it should say Decommission.
Ngl this is a weird question. It’s like asking “why would I ever need to choose 'restart', why can’t the same be achieved by shutting down?”
You really can’t think of a use case for updating and restarting your computer instead of just shutting it down? Remote sessions? Power button in an inconvenient location? The desire to not need yet another input to get what you wanted?
I think it's weird to want to be involved in the update. They want me to sit like a dummy watching the stupid icon spin round for a few minutes. What I have learned or achieved during that time is not edifying in the slightest.
I literally just had this happen a couple days ago. I dual boot with Linux Mint and I generally don't go into windows except for specific use cases. So sometimes it can be a while between boots for windows on my system.
I had to use a windows only program, but it was a quick 5 minute thing. Finished my task, shut it down and I get the update prompt. Fine windows, update and shutdown. Of course it reboots, but it defaults into Mint and I'm confused for a minute why my PC is still on when I come back.
The most infuriating thing is that they label that as a feature. Sure, I want to get woken up in the middle of the night because some MS douche decides my laptop needed updates.
Never happened to me.
Maybe that's a problem because you dual boot?
If so: Not a supported use case by windows/ms and they will probably tell you to stop it and then it will work without issues.
If that is actually the case:
You can't just do stuff the company (as bullshit as it is) tells you not to, break the software and then call the company shit for doing something out of scope.
This isn't update related but when I inserted an SD card into a laptop running Windows it blue screened. Yeah that's right, the OS crashed due to a fucking SD card.
a single anecdote that could have been coincidence proves nothing bud. i've been running Arch for years and recently my laptop has been having some issues. the trackpad only works intermittently, the speakers will randomly quit halfway through a video, and lately it's randomly shutting down with no warning when running a game. does that mean linux is terrible and nobody shouls use it cause it fucked up my computer and is a pox on all humanity? of course not. all it means is this laptop is a lemon. all those issues happen in Windows too, the once in a blue moon I have to reboot to run a game Proton doesn't support yet; i've called a repair guy in twice to replace the trackpad, and both times the issue has completely gone away for a few months before creeping back again; the speaker issue gets triggered when the laptop gets bumped, so it's almost certainly a loose connection; and i've all but confirmed the random shutdowns are thermal.
also, fwiw, i recently had to try to recover data from a physically damaged microSD card. plugging it into my laptop under windows, nothing happened. plugging it (via USB mind you) into the exact same laptop under linux and trying to mount it caused mount to lock up, requiring a reboot before it would do anything else involving filesystems.
am i still a linux fanboy? yeah. linux is infinitely better than windows for the things i need to do, most of which involve programming. but that doesn't and shouldn't mean that i believe microshaft winblows is the worst piece of software ever created and that arch is the one true OS that everyone would be using if only they would see the light (looking at you, Gardiner Bryant).
linux diehards get outta here. you're making the rest of us look bad.
All I did was make a simple negative comment about windows. There was no need for a multiple paragraph rant. I'm assuming it's because of my username and if that's true then I need to tell you my username is mostly a joke.