Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales from June

It should surprise me, but not as anymore. It must be economies of scale making lithium batteries the cheapest thing to do now.

15 year olds would be my guess

It would fuck up the environment with butts like it always has. Cigs are shit for the environment, birds eat them and die and they're everywhere. Can't wait for them to completely die out.

One time I saw England return a library book on time. It made me so proud.

Not really, in places with decriminalized but not legal weed there's still a lot of weed in all forms being distributed.

What will make this work is that they didn't ban flavors or non disposable vape devices.

Disposable vapes are easier to hide from parents since you can just throw them away, and also you don't have to worry too much if your teacher confiscates them because they're disposable.

With a non-disposable vape, suddenly things become a lot harder for vaping teenagers.

I'm not suggesting we let teenagers vape, I'm just saying there's a reason teenagers like the disposable ones.

I use a disposable vape now and I was adamant about not using one because of the wastefulness, until they banned flavored vape liquid in my state.

It started to get really hard to buy coils for my vape, because it became unprofitable for these companies to operate here, and then even harder to find the liquid I enjoy.

Non-disposable ones tend to be bulky too. Not to mention the maintenance is a huge pain in the ass. The non-disposable vapes tend to leak. Doesn't matter which one you use. If you don't prime the coil correctly they burn out in a few puffs, and you just wasted 5+ bucks on the coil you've been searching for. Coils only tend to last a few days to a week as well. So you're always on this search to find coils. Also reusable ones only last for a few months to maybe a year anyway (if you're lucky), then you have to spend 100+ on a new one.

Sure you could get the little pod ones but now you're being wasteful because you can't reuse those either, and break twice as fast.

Now I can buy 2 disposables that last a month, don't leak, don't take a lot of real estate in my pocket, are significantly cheaper, is easier to find, and the flavor is always consistent.

I would've been fine with my reusable one until they banned the products that allowed me to use it.

So yeah prohibition doesn't work. You ban this people will just go back to smoking. Which is just as wasteful and way more toxic.

Oh free lithium batteries. I've got a decent sized stash of cells salvaged from disposables. Some of their cases I want to use as project boxes for esp devices.

Will be sad once the supply dries up for us electronics folks.

In my experience most of the non-disposable options are either super bulky or just shitty build quality. Pods that leak, or burn out super quickly. Vapes that just stop working or break super quickly. Incredible inconsistency in where/what pods are available.

None of these are insurmountable problems, but as of right now most companies seem uninterested in making a better product.

It's easy.

It's closer in spirit to buying a pack of smokes, it's easy to just grab one on the way somewhere, less of an issue if you lose it or have to toss it(like at some concert venues), easier to give to your friends, and generally they are much smaller, so easier to conceal.

Personally I think they're useful for one thing and one thing only, a gig/night out. When you don't want to have some kind of battery pack to recharge your vape so you have a couple disposables in your pocket, and if you lose it, shrug, it cost a couple quid.

That said, I back this ban wholeheartedly

Someone said it's an easy thing to get and "flavourful". There's plenty of cheap expensive vapes... I've seen coworkers with £250 on the unit itself and they have to clean it and replace coils? I can understand someone wanting a care free alternative" that works".

Not for me, just answering your question based on what I was told.

Agree, I make my own liquid/coils/wicks and it doesn't come to more than 20 quid a month

To address youth vaping. The outcome of that has been that youth vaping is significantly higher than in other OECD member countries, and kids are now getting them from the 'vape dealer' whom may have other illicit drugs available. Cigarettes aren't banned, only made unaffordable via progressive excise tax. That's had its own unintended consequences of launching a new market for "chop chop" i.e. illegally grown unprocessed tobacco, as well as black market imports that sidestep the plain packaging laws, and tobacco gang wars in Sydney and Melbourne.

Tobacco companies weren't making money off them, no juul equivalent here, nothing from Marlboro/Phillip Morris ECT. Big lobbies to push the government. A year past the ban on vapes and I can still find them everywhere.... Except from the doctors and pharmacies that are meant to be selling legal replacements.

Cigarettes and tobacco products are highly taxed. Why they didn’t go down that route I’ll never understand.

I, too, love the idea of kids getting sketchy ass vapes from weird ass dealers in alleyways. Nothing but benefits tbh

Lighters last a super long time

flashbacks to last 4th of July where we needed to get 4 different disposable lighters before one worked
Not that the actual lighters are any better, those dry out on their own with no use.

went to my junk drawer and got one, Doesn't have anything on the bottom and top won't come off without breaking

I don't think cigarettes being out of view lead to their decrease, nor all the warnings or pictures of diseases. It's more that they cost about £15 a pack. Honestly feels like weed has already overtaken cigarettes.

I know they mean well, and disposables are spectacularly wasteful, but I can also see the appeal of a cheap, no maintenance, no mess, no faff vape.

And from a purely selfish point of view, I'd rather smell Fruit Salad smelling vapes everywhere than cigarettes or more bloody weed.