the tankies are so mad that "Genocide Kamala" just doesn't have the same ring to it lol
Haven’t you noticed? They don’t give a shit about genocide anymore. They switched to “oLd!” After the debate.
Now they have nothing. It’s why they’re so quiet.
This is an example of the pathetic one I've seen so far.
This page is nothing but a bunch of insecure fragile liberals fighting straw men. Are you so worried about valid and consistent leftist criticisms of your liberal candidate that you would prefer to silence all oppression? You're the idiots with bandages on your ears but with a blue hat instead.
Why is it shocking that genuine leftists (who also hate Trump) would have leftist-perspective criticisms of Kamala Harris too? Should everyone left of center be completely silenced? Is the Democrat candidate so weak and fragile that leftist criticisms will take her down?
This is nothing but tribal liberals trying to shut down progressive discourse.
You're all shockingly cultist. Holy shit this place is a disaster.
"Carnage Karmala" is the best I could come up with and it's way too metal tbh
She also has been more critical of Israel and isn't in the hot seat. Unless she goes and hugs Bibi she can ride below the issue.
“Hasbara Harris “ doesn’t work for you? /s
I do have a really good reason not to vote for Kamala Harris.
I'm not American and sneaking into your country to vote would be kind of difficult I guess. But please those who can, vote, orange man is a danger for all the world.
Yeah, this is my parents. They would literally rather not vote, than to vote for a Demoncrat... 🙄
I'll be sure to thank them for their unbending morals when I get put in a concentration camp.
I'll be right there with you 🏳️🌈
At best these tankies are accelerationaists, at worst they are brats who HAVE to get exactly their way or they're not playing.
Or maybe the leftists are disenfranchised by a first past the post system that doesn't represent them, does not care to compromise to get their support, nor will adopt any part of their platform and instead continues moving the the right becoming the "law and order" party until the only perceived choice left is to withhold electoral support until policy demands are met?
Nah they're just brats and demand representation instead of shutting up and giving total devotion to whoever the DNC chooses for them like the rest of the saviors of democracy who vote blue no matter who.
Sincerely, still undecided
disenfranchised by a first past the post system that doesn’t represent them, does not care to compromise to get their support, nor will adopt any part of their platform and instead continues moving the the right becoming the “law and order” party until the only perceived choice left is to withhold electoral support until policy demands are met?
This is me but am not raging dick of a leftists. Why come?
I think it's even worse than that, I think there are paid campaigns by foreign dictatorships who want the western world to off themselves and each other.
Not to say every one of them is a paid troll or actor, far from it, the rest of them are just lambs to slaughter.
"Screw you guys, I'm voting for fascism"
Well, they got their way… we’re not voting for Biden. The ball is in their court now. Let’s see if they take it and go home.
Man, a lot of y'all need to make a new tankies.fear instance and take your 6 comment deep circle jerks about how anyone left of Biden is a tankie and they're so skawwwy with you.
I swear I can barely click on anything without a bunch of top level comments just shrieking "HEXBEAR HEXBEAR TANKIE TANKIE"
But haven't you heard about the TANKIES?! They're everywhere*!
According to these geniuses, anyone who isn't willing to immediately slurp down the United States' 12 inch propaganda schlong is a tankie. Too much critical thinking? Tankie! Too critical of capitalism or too supportive of anarchism/socialism/communism? Tankie! Noticed how many of the worst tankie whiners have an army of alts? Biggest Winnie the Pooh fucking, ghost of the USSR cuckolded tankie ever.
Most of their circle jerks start with a meme where they make up a strawman about what their imaginary tankies are up to (versus what Lemmy's actual tankies are really doing), then verbally stroke each other off as they claim anyone who calls them out for being delusional upvote farmers is also a secret tankie.
*when your standard is "anyone I dislike or disagree with is a tankie".
The CCP and Russian Trolls on Hexbear and ML are not leftist, imo.
Anyone simping for a fascist isn't a leftist. At most they're a "leftist".
Over the last few months it's become clear to me that Trump is the cudgel with which any leftist discourse is shut down. The ultimate free pass for corporate Democrats.
The leftist discourse has been clear from the start. The reason the same arguments are being used is because they are still valid issues with the candidate.
I’ve been seeing liberals push this narrative a lot, that “tankies” just keep flip flopping to the next issue.
This is incredible. All I am seeing are the same issues raised over and over that liberals never address. Genuinely, do you not see that you are just being blue MAGA? How do you not see this?
The DNC is completely complicit in the US’ slide into fascism. Liberals just use the same tired debunked arguments and sneers which devolves the discourse into endless shit flinging. Leftists aren’t free of blame either, agitating is a classic pastime of many.
But to see liberals sneering and relishing in this “victory” while marching happily into literal fascism is just incredible.
Look, Kamala will probably win. I’m turning off the shit flinging mode right now and seriously saying something:
If you genuinely and truly don’t see how the path the US is on has been, and will lead, to fascism with a complicit ruling class… Jesus Christ man I don’t even know what to say.
I just don't want the Sunny d orangutan to put me into a fucking concentration camp. If that makes me blue maga, so be it I guess.
You act like voting is mutually exclusive with all other forms of resistance. Like yeah, obviously voting alone isn't going to do very much. But just because there's work to be done outside of the voting booth doesn't mean we should hand the oval office over to the actual facility on a silver platter.
Elections serve the function of capturing political energy and diverting it away from addressing any real issues. Has it escaped your notice that all candidates are completely subservient to the ruling class?
Every year the concentration of wealth grows. Every day, the USA continues to prop up a genocide. Every year true revolutionaries are quietly murdered, then memory-holed.
I'm personally not saying "don't vote" - on balance, I think it's worth exercising that minute degree of autonomy. What I am saying is: "Don't expect voting to affect real change, when the rolling class has complete control over candidate selection"
So outside of instantaneously and magically destroying the existing power structure and government as it currently exists, what do you propose? How long will it take to implement, and what risks are there in doing it?
The “leftist” arguments I’ve seen so far never mention that.
The solution leftists offer is to organise the working class against its oppressors. This is a tedious process because of the lack of knowledge the average person has around this topic (otherwise you wouldn’t have had to ask this question). The working class will always have their numbers in their favour, but in order to effectively overthrow the ruling class they need to understand the class relations in place. You can contribute by reading leftist literature on class relations and educating those around you. There are leftist reading groups in basically every city especially for this reason.
Perfect response.
I would just like to add:
I think what the USian liberals on here are missing is perspective. I think they have a worldview where the election is all that matters, so any whiff of dissent MUST mean the "tankies" are out to make the blue team lose.
Liberals, do you really think undecided voters in swing states are making voting decisions based on political threads on Lemmy?
If you truly want to understand instead of just downvote and run, try and mentally transpose this situation onto the British empire 100+ years ago. Sure, there are elections, but the grinding bloodthirsty machine of empire proceeds apace with no regard to the election before or after. Sure, one party is worse, that's the literal manipulative trap of first past the post.
When we look at this world, there is one nation that has been terrorizing the world for over 70 years. Unless you are very naive, you shouldn't expect compliant national media to give a balanced portrait of this history.
We're not going to stop talking about the bloodshed and the empire and the propaganda until it has been burned to the ground. You can join the media and intelligence services, and do everything in your power to silence us - or you could consider that perhaps our positions are principled. Perhaps we once believed just like you did, so we see how close you are to piercing the veil of deception.
Or we are all literally paid shills and you don't have to change any of your beliefs because the United States is a beacon of freedom and justice to the whole world....
