I have a suspicion that Klingons would consider not being your true self dishonorable, so of course they'd be accepting of trans people.
edit: It looks like there's a Romulan petaQ among us. Your bigotry will not serve you well here.
Depends on where they're hypocritical or not. In real life, queer culture is entirely about making less restrictive laws regarding morality. The "small government" types should absolutely be locking arms at Pride Parades, but the Pride Gadsden is a rarity.
As a "small government" anarcho socialist, I kind of agree but maybe not in all topics
You think an empire that is extremely sexist to the point where they let a Ferengi be a leader of a noble house before a woman would be super accepting of trans issues?
She may have overacted. Once Gowron became aware of the situation, he addressed her directly and assured her we would honor her rights to the house. She may have not needed The Bravest Ferengi to get involved, but it didn't help her being understood.
...Yes? Because I stated exactly why I feel it fits with the Klingon ethos? Outside of combat, Klingons don't generally favor deception, so why would a trans woman trying to pretend she's a man not be looked at as dishonorable? Besides, Grilka couldn't be the leader of the House because (as far as the Klingons knew) Kozak died in combat which meant Quark had the right to be the head of the House. Had Quark admitted upfront that Kozak had gotten drunk and fallen on his own blade, he never would have been involved and Grilka would have been granted the House.
In the real world, it is entirely possible to be against gender but not sex (c.f. TERFs like J.K. Rowling) or to be against sex but not gender (c.f. how many gender reassignment surgeries are performed in Iran, where it's culturally better to be a woman or trans-woman than it is to be a gay man).
Dealing with the Breen has made people a lot more open to the idea that gender is only a concept.
When you have an entire culture whose gender is hidden by armor they never remove...
I love this.
Also hilariously illustrates the obsession of so many people over genitals instead of seeing the person having them.
I named my cat Dax after Jadzia. He's a boy and we kept his first name from the adoption centre, so now he's Nelson Dax - I thought about this very scene when we chose the name. Such a heartwarming exchange
If there are any trans people here, did that scene mean a lot to you when you saw it?
Both of my teenage children and I happen to be non-binary. The scene in Discovery where Adira is semi-asleep at a console and Culber comes in using the wrong pronouns to refer to Adira, and Stamets corrects him and tells him Adira uses they/them pronouns, and Culber shifts seamlessly into it and the two of them have an entire conversation about them...that scene legit had me squeeing. I'd never seen such an exchange happen in any show, and it was perfection. It was meant to show well-meaning allies who struggle with gender-neutral pronouns how simple they are to use and how meaningful and important it is to honor them because the people who use them are important.
That's awesome! I am really happy for you and your kids that Star Trek did that for you.
I am neither trans, nor would I ever presume to speak on behalf of trans people. The reason I posted this is because, over the years, this specific meme has been presented repeatedly as evidence that Klingons are excepting of trans folx.
As such, I think it’s safe to assume that, yes, it carries meaning of (at least some) importance.
In that, I hope my own presentation here is thusly interpreted as an expression of goodwill.
My ex cried when watching this scene for the first time after coming out as trans
When I first saw this, I was in a different point in my life and didn't know who I was (I only knew I was angry and miserable), and I loved that Kor immediately accepted her. It made sense to me. I don't know if it was subconscious or not, I'll probably never know.
But I know I really love this scene now, and I'm grateful to the show writers and producers for including it, especially after learning about the uphill battle they faced to integrate themes like this. Inclusion matters and makes a difference, even if stupid assholes complain. It's a lovely scene, and I'm forever grateful.
So apparently this is a trans meme...
I was confused for a while
It is. Dax was at one point in male when Kor met him then Dax got a new host that was female, and Kor, without hesitation, accepted her.
It may have been a bit oblique (it was the mid-90s), but this is the essence of accepting trans folk: accepting people for who they are, not your preconceptions of what they are.
Yeah, get ready for a whole fucking month of this shit.
Grow the fuck up, most of us realise at about 3 years of age to share our toys and world with others, why haven't you?
I don't mind but it took me a bit to understand
I watched the episode recently where I think Dax is on trial for murder? And Sisko is waxing poetic about how he used to pick up chicks with Curzon (and can't any more?) and then later he's lamenting that if she were still Curzon he give them a nice punch in the mouth for being so frustrating (but now can't punch his friend because she's a woman)
I don't mean to demean the show or the character Dax, but it was definitely a window into a time where the creators either couldn't or didn't want to consider Dax still being attracted to women, but also that it's totally normal to want to punch your male friends but not your female friend.
Odo is Ace.
