The best Lemmy app so far is "Wefwef" hands down. If you loved Apollo you'd love this.
The best Lemmy app so far is "Wefwef" hands down. If you loved Apollo you'd love this.
The app has an amazing experience so far, because it feels like I'm just using Apollo, heaps of baked in features that no other app has so far. It's a web app so installation is pretty forward. Much love to the Devs!
(Side note: please change the name to something better. I recommend the name Voyager to keep up with the theme)
Installation:
https://wefwef.app/settings/install
WefWef's community page: c/wefwef
Courtesy of [email protected] for telling us about it.
Update:
Having issues? It's to do with rate limitations, this should be resolved soon but right now you can Use:
https://w.opnxng.com/settings/install
Here's the Dev's notes on that:
w.opnxng.com - wefwef hosted by Opnxng in Singapore.
Contact/privacy
Note: Community deployments are NOT maintained by the wefwef team. They may not be synced with wefwef's source code. Please do your own research about the host servers before using them.
EDIT: This is now resolved, because @[email protected] is awesome.
hi! wefwef dev here.
https://wefwef.app is getting rate limited by lemmy.world. The growth in traffic over the last 24 hours has been incredible.
That's why you're probably getting error messages. Hang in there, we're working it out. :-)
In the meantime, self host (it's just a simple docker container!) or use a community deployment (if you trust the administrator).
hi! lemmyworld admin here.
If I did it right, wefwef.app should no longer be rate-limited. Please let me know if it worked.
You rock! š¤
Like a charm!
I've noticed a lot fewer errors now. Thank you
Contrast this interaction with the spaz/Christian public dust-ups, and letās all feel fortunate to be here. Thanks to both of you devs for making cool stuff.
Ur both amazing!
Ruud to the rescue!
Your app is really good. Well done!
Its not only miles better than the default mobile experience on Lemmy, it is also has features like swiping that I have never seen used on a web app before.
Do you have some kind of roadmap of features that will be added?
Some things I think would add to the experience are:
- Previews of comments/posts
- Sorting by Top day, week, month, ect
App looks great so far!
Will it have auto marking posts as read just by scrolling past them? No other apps do this yetā¦it was Apollos best feature!
Also no dark mode?!
Installing it via saving to the iPhones Home Screenā¦..how do we update an app like this? Never done that before š
Iām using it in dark mode right now.
Updates are in the settings menu.
Installing it via saving to the iPhones Home Screenā¦ā¦how do we update an app like this? Never done that before š
It's a web app, it updates automatically behind the scenes
What an honour, fantastic app btw, it takes after the best after all. But I'm getting flashbacks with the rate limit thing, it's this going to be a problem like Reddit or what's going on?
This is an excellent web app! Thank you!!
Whatās the long term plan? Everyone hosts their own instance in Docker? I was thinking about using AWS container instances. I wonder how I would protect my publicly available interface though. I want to be able to access it from anywhere without vpn or firewall limitations. Do you have any good suggestion?
The long term plan is Lemmy to allow CORS * for web clients like Mastodon does, which should completely resolve this problem. :)
It should be in the next version! See: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3109
This is awesome. Thank you for the amazing project. Feels way more responsive than even the various apps floating around. Exciting stuff!
Is it possible to add haptics to a web app like Wefwef?
Yes, if it eventually get bundled into in actual app store app with Capacitor. Which might be in the future.
Or if Apple provides a haptic API for web apps. That would be wonderful.
6+ year Apollo user here and I tried a bunch of apps prior to this one that just didnāt quite have the UI and features I was looking for. If you used Apollo, youāll feel 100% at home on WefWef; itās almost identical.
Weird name but itās really an amazing app, it was the final thing to click and made lemmy a full Reddit replacement for me.
Whoa. Iāve been using Memmy lately but this one is like a carbon copy of Apollo. Will there be the feature to see saved posts soon?
Yes
You already can
feels weird having an iOS centric UI on android but I'm loving it so far
it even respects my phone's dark mode!
On Android as well, this feels better than a lot of native apps. I really missed Apollo after switching to Android and this project makes me happy.
One of Us! One of Us!
haha I do already have an iPhone though, I'm just more comfortable on Android
Edit title: Best Lemmy app*
You can edit titles on Lemmy š
Done. Still Reddit mentality.
That's ripe for abuse though.
Swipe a little to the right to vote up.
Swipe a lot to the right to vote down.
Swipe to the left to delete.
So cool!
On comments, swipe a lot to the left to reply!
Just saved this to my home screen, am I right in saying that it's just a webapp and not a full blown app? Seems to work fine so far!
It's a progressive web app, which means when installed it has some extra powers that other web apps don't (like more access to device APIs, offline support, etc.) It was actually what all iPhone apps were meant to be before Apple gave up and made the app store.
Sadly iOS's PWA support has fallen a bit by the wayside compared to PWAs in Android but it's picking up.
I agree with all the things you said. Including changing this weird name.
It is weird. I don't even order McNuggets to avoid sounding silly.
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Itās absolutely amazing. The thing Iām missing the most though is to be able to customize gestures/swiping like on Apollo. Iām so used to upvoting/downvoting by swiping left, and going back one page by swiping right, from wherever I swipe (on Apollo I only reply by long pressing a comment).
The developer is aiming for Apollo feature parity, so it should be coming :)
The Thunder app has those features FYI!
Agree. Really missing the gestures.
How did they nail the Apollo look and feel in a web app? Incredible. Been on the Mlem testflight but this is just soooo familiar. I hope this gets an official app on the app store!
based on their github page they seem to really be a proponent of progressive web apps, so there might not be an official app anytime soon.
its really great though and I can barely tell it's not a native app
You werenāt kidding. This is amazing!
Thunder and Memmy both have swipe interactions as well and theyāre not web apps.
Yeah, I've been using Mlem and Memmy. Mlem reminds me more of Apollo design-wise, but Memmy now is a bit more usable. Still, all of the suggestions are great.
This is so fantastic, it really does have that Apollo feel. I had my doubts with it being a webapp, but it's so comfortable and familiar, I've switched to it....despite the name, heh
Ya the names are a bit weird in this part of town. But luckily we can rename it š
It sits in the same spot as Apollo used to, so why shouldn't I rename it?! (Bilbo meme)
Best web app Iāve ever seen. Thank you!
I agree, I just wish it ran smoother and was more reliable. I'm experiencing a lot of "failed to load", "failed to upvote", and "failed to comment". A community you can't engage with is no community at all.
Yes. I can't use it since I got on the first time. I'm figuring it is volume and come back later.
Yeah, hug of death!
omg it's Apollo! (without keyboard shortcuts)
TIL Apollo had keyboard shortcuts
(Side note: please change the name to something better. I recommend the name Voyager to keep up with the theme)
+1 for Voyager!
I love it! The Lemmy web interface was acting a bit wonky at times, this is a great improvement.
These comments really make my day. Hope you'd love it as much as I do. The whole thing is open source, so if you're not code illiterate like me see if you can give the devs a helping hand.
Just downloaded it because of this post and I gotta say, it's fucking brilliant.
Honestly impressive
Wow nice! I just replaced the Apollo icon on my Home Screen with this.
Looks great and feels like Apollo!
Just stumbled upon this app a couple of hours ago andā¦.. holy shit itās just like Apollo! Excellent stuff.
Iām so confused. How can it be so rich without being a full blown app? I have been enjoying Memmy, but canāt really find what separates the two.
Lots of improvements to web app support in the past few years have largely gone unnoticed since, overall, not much effort really goes into deploying proper web apps. Installing an app from the App Store is also simpler then āinstallingā a web app. I personally prefer native.
I share the same shock over Wefwef though, blows me away is an incredibly strong example of what web apps can now do. Itās still missing a number of things from Apollo, but that it seemingly came together as polished as it is now in just a week or three is stunning.
I actually have the exact same question, I wasn't expecting much especially since it is a webapp. Heck I was expecting to install and uninstall in a sec. But this thing is solid.
So when I login to an instance, am I sending my credentials through the wefwef.app server? Because that makes me nervous.
According to their privacy policy:
When you use wefwef.app, we proxy information to your Lemmy instance in order to overcome CORS restrictions with Lemmy.
They say they donāt log but you do need to trust them because all traffic flows through them.
Incredible app! Never realized a web app could be so sexy.
I take back what I said about the Sweet Solution being a failure. Wefwef feels just as good as a native app. I may have to fire it up on a HP TouchPad or Palm PrÄ.
It really does feel like I'm using Apollo!
I'm having trouble even logging in - it's saying my credentials are no good, but I used the same credentials to login to lemmy.world. Had a brief look at what it could be, so I'm waiting on it to get more stable.
In my experience, logging in using autofill from my password manager always failed for some reason, but it worked manually right away. You may have a different bug, though.
For me login only works as long as i use my username not the email adress. Not quite sure why.
Edit: and it even has a comparable set of glitches where you end up posting the same comment twice. I feel right at home already!
There are a couple of very recent updates that address the issues with logging in to lemmy.world. Hit the Settings tab in the lower right to update the app (which is so much faster than an App Store update)
Really liking it so far. Itās super impressive how much itās eased my migration from Reddit. I feel right at home here already. Almost!
Wow, now this is a reddit replacement! I love it. Thanks for the recommendation!
It is very smooth! Is this what Apollo looked like?
I was surprised to see all the auto-expanded images, but I guess I was expecting more of the old.reddit / reddit is fun aesthetic. So far, I've just been using the lemmy mobile site on firefox ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
i'm writing this from the app. it looks and feels like apollo, so this is amazing. i really look forward to further development!
Oh my god, this looks incredible. Thanks for this!
Absolutely the closest thing to Apollo. Hoping all the customizations Apollo had come next!
Just installed it to my Home Screen. Acts just like an app. Iām new to these web app type things and spaced instances, but baby steps.
This already seems a lot better than Reddit.
I'm blown away what a great experience this is for a web app. Really.
I nearly cried when I saw the interface. I love the Squabbles community, but wefwef will make me a Lemmy user
One thing that bugs me, and I found the same with Thunder, is that I cannot sort posts by Top (Day, Week, etc.). Any reason why that is?
Not added yet in wefwef. It's already opened as an issue in the github though so it should be added later.
Holy shit, THANK YOU!!
Oh wow. This is really nice! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks, installed. But still rooting for Memmy too! Love everyone who is stepping up to the plate for the mobile app scene!
I like it! Iām still trying to make sense of Lemmy and this app helps a lot. Thank you to everyone involved!
I'll be honest, I settled on using Jerboa after trying all other Android apps, I sincerely thought wefwef was iOS only. Oh boy was I wrong, it's hands down the best app of the bunch, and by really really far. I opened an issue today for compact mode and here it is, already!
If only there was a way to navigate top comments easily, that would be amazing!
This is nice! my only suggestion would be the ability to minimize cards for a text feed, if that's something that's eventually possible.
I like how smooth wefwef is, but if I could keep everything from auto-expanding (i.e. just scrolling through titles instead) it'd be closer to the old.reddit / RiF experience š
You are a beautiful being.
This app is awesome, thanks for sharing! Congrats to the developer
iPhone 14 user here. Anyone else have trouble with the keyboard not coming up for login credentials? I also tried cut and paste function but my details arenāt recognised despite being 100% correct.
Itās a PWA issue that Iāve hit a few times. Only solution is to restart the phone.
Cheers. All fixes confirmed with restart. Iām up and running.
Same on Android
Indeed it's awesome, thank you!
I know this is an Apple sub, but is there an Android version? Checked the store and didn't see it, but not sure if it has to be sideloaded (which always seems sketchy if it is a legit app).
It's a webapp, works on Android and iOS. Have fun, here's the testimony of some lads who tried it while on Android:
Feels like Iām cheating on my spouse with my ex and have just remembered why she became my ex.
Just go to https://WefWef.app
Follow this: https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/9658361?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid
I did exactly that. It installed wefwef fine. I can LOOK at threads that people post, but I can't log in which means I can't look at messages sent to me or obviously post. And it isn't like my phone is old (so maybe it doesn't have all the latest and greatest security stuff). It's a Samsung 21FE which is 2(?) years old. And to be clear, it isn't just wefwef that I am having issues with. Similar error with Jerboa.
This is amazing. Using it in my iPad Mini right now!
How does it look like on iPad?
I use Memmy. I'm really liking it so far. Its not on the app store yet so you have to install it through TestFlight, go to the github on your phone, and then click the invite link. Isn't perfect but great so far
Doesn't really work that well for me, doesn't show the icon on the app button, can't change appearance in settings Using it through Firefox, not sure if that's the problem
Might be worth giving it a try in Safari. Be sure to add it to your home screen because that adds additional functionality.
edit: Androids smh
Wow! Really nice recommendation!!!! This is exactly what I was looking for to engage more with the Lemmy community
Where is all the nsfw stuff though
That's the eternal struggle, you need to find them and subscribe to them one by one.
I put in a GitHub issue - this should be fixed next release which so far is happening once a day.
The dev responded and said looks like search was searching as "logged out" and lemmy hides NSFW when you're logged out.
Edit: actually, it's already fixed!
What a beauty! You got me! BTW: The keyboard did not appeared when I wanted to write here. A reboot of the iPhone helped.
Oh yeah this app is great. Good job, devs!
Totally agree. I never thought the best client would be a web app on my home screen, but here we are!
If you're loving wefwef because of it's Apollo likeness, then you need to checkout Memmy
It actually introduces all the features Apollo had with native haptics, slide interactions and navigations, push notifications, and more. The developers have been working hard and pushing releases daily (sometimes multiple per day).
As an Apollo users for the last 6 years, Memmy has been by far the best iOS app for Lemmy that I have tried (which have been Mlem, Thunder, Liftoff (prev. known as Limbo)
Yeah but it doesnāt look as close to Apollo as wefwef. It also doesnāt work as well on iPad, whereas wefwef has just nailed the aesthetic of Apollo right away.
Recent update changed the bottom nav up, but otherwise is pretty similar
vs
If I didnāt know any better, Iād say this just is Apollo, but pulling from a different API.
It looks great but Iām getting so many errors on it. Error loading posts, error voting, error opening messagesā¦
Deb replied here, not his fault as Lemmy is rate limiting the app. Goes to show how popular this is.
Giving this a go, and enjoying it so far.
Iām brand new to Lemmy but this looks great and makes me feel at home already! Thanks for the recommendation
I don't have an "add to home screen" like the instructions say to do.
Are you using Safari? Itās not an option on Chrome, which is what I normally use so I had to switch over to Safari.
From there, in the toolbar youāll see the āshareā icon (box with arrow pointing up), then you should see āadd to home screenā as one of the options when you scroll down a little.
Hope this helps!
On Chrome there is an install option in the main menu
Absolutely. If it just simplified the sign up by randomly choosing a non controversial instance to register on (vlemmy.net, reddthat.com, lemm.ee etc), it'd already be recommendable to non-lemmy users.
beehaw.org is too controlling, lemmy.world is overloaded and blocked by beehaw, and lemmy.ml is having trouble federating with kbin. I'm sure these will be addressed later and they're all still usable... but yeah
Also, +1 to Voyager, wefwef does not go down well with non-lemmings
Is being overloaded a problem? I am on lemmy.world and I appreciate being on a place with more people in it.
It's having some federation issues; some posts don't show in other instances, or show up much later than normal
It also hasn't been able to update to 1.18 like alot of instances already have.
Very nice. Thanks for the call-out!
Thanks for the post. Installed to Home Screen on iPhone. Working nicely to start. Looks good.
It's indeed a great app! Impressive!
trying it out now. so far liking the design. does feel like apollo/iOS.
Is there a way to hide read posts?
To my understanding features are being built-in by the hour, just yesterday you couldn't edit comments, now a host of options are there editing included. Give this app some time and it should have feature parity with Apollo. Meanwhile if you're capable of lending a helping hand to the Devs you can head to WefWef's GitHub page and see if you can make it better!
This is an awesome app, thanks!
Itād be great if I could login. It keeps saying I have the wrong password, but I copied right from LastPass like I do here lol.
I just clicked login a few more times and it eventually worked without changing anything.
Was having the same issue. I had to close/swipe away the app and reopen, it worked after that
It feels so weird iOS interface but a PWA, Iām a fellow Memmy user
Thank you! Looks good!
Wefwef is gorgeous for sure and eerily familiar to ex Apollo users. It does show the red error message a lot though. It even said my user doesnāt exist when I logged in, but somehow I am still logged in. And it only lets me upvote every second click. Weāll see if it lets me post this.
But visually itās a pretty stellar effort.
Bumped into this app yesterday and itās so user friendly! Canāt wait for more features to be added.
Yooo thatās amazing. I was using Memmy but Iāll switch over to wefwef. It looks just like Apollo!
Love it for now. Hopefully Apollo joins Lemmy. Is there a similar UI theme for Desktop?
I never used Apollo, but I love wefwef (and the name is great, don't change a thing ;)
Just joined and downloaded. This is a great app!
Canāt upvote this fast enough! Hands down best lemmy experience so far. Will be hard to beat.
Very impressed so far myself!
So Iām weird and donāt actually have any apps on my Home Screen. I just use Spot Light and the the App Library screen. Is there anyway to get a web app to show up on the App Library? Because I donāt like how this one app is different from everything else on my phone and has to live on the Home Screen.
Other than that, I agree! Itās a pretty sweet app this far.
Use a Siri shortcut to make a device profile PWA. Then you should be able to.
Add the web app to a second Home Screen then hide the Home Screen.
Had to do the same workaround for stadia a few years ago
I've never used Apollo and I'm mostly using kbin. However I heard of wefwef like half and hour ago, decided to check it out cus why not and damn, it's so so good!
I was using the official Reddit app (or the desktop site) and in all honesty I didn't think it was too bad, probably because I just got used to it and didn't use any other app as a comparison, but after using wefwef for not even an hour, I can absolutely say I was missing out.
Sadly right now it is having some issues with fetching messages, posts, Etc. It's been working butter smooth all day otherwise.
One suggestion for wefwef is to be able to browse all communities of the particular instance youāre logged in to, or even better, have a page of all instances and the communities they encompass
On the front page of wefwef you can choose to look at communities you are subscribed to, all federated communities, or ālocalā communities aka communities from the instance you are logged in on!
honestly, easier community discovery from both local and foreign instances is a huge need for lemmy in general
It already has this. Click the three bars at the top left, then click "Local".
Looks amazing, very close to apollo
For me (iPhone 12) The keyboard works in the web interface but not in the installed app. The cursor is there and the grey bar with the āDoneā button, but no keyboard below that.
Scratch that - restarting my phone fixed it.
This app is great!
definitely would use it if it wasn't a web app. still amazingly good for a web app though!
Is there actually an app or is this all web based? I can't figure it out.
It is completely web based. But if you bookmark it to the desktop it runs like an app even having an update to new release button in the settings to force the update of the javascript and stuff.
I works great I use it on my iPad and iPhone.
Its web based, but can be "installed" on both mobiles and desktop as a PWA which is Progressive Web App, essentially the same as using it in a browser but meant to function more like a "real" app
Are there any limitations to it being a PWA?
Looks like it's all wen based so pretty impressive if you ask me.
This app is great. Thanks for pointing it out.
Are there any other PWAs or iPhone App Store apps worth checking out?
Edit: actually itās broken I canāt comment from it. The iOS keyboard doesnāt open when opening the form to comment.
Edit2: it was fixed today!
There are a few iOS apps in alpha testing right now, Iām testing Thunder and Mlem currently, but they arenāt very stable or feature-rich yet.
Within a couple weeks they should hopefully be released. Thereās also threads about the Lemmy apps currently in development for android and iOS, and I believe the list includes PWAs? Unfortunately Iām not really sure how to find/link that post, but if you search for āLemmy appā it should hopefully come up.
Apparently it wasn't broken, it's just due to the popularity it was rate limited for a bit. All is good now.
That's a bit interesting. What device are you using?
Commenting this from wefwef on iOS. Keyboard works for me.
Itās got some bugs, but I already prefer it over Mlem. Feels more like homeā¦
This looks great! Keep up the amazing work.
Have couple of questions if someone can answer. I went to search for "television" community and found one with more subscribers and nothing after the word "television" and also saw one with very few subscribers and it had "television@something". So is it like we can have 2 communities with same name? How does one know which to subscribe to?
And this question is specific to wefwef app, I went to the television community page and everything there is big posts each occupying half of my page with a pic or something. How to have this more consice?
Every lemmy instance can have its own communities, just subscribe to both of them or the more active one. the one without the @something is likely your local instances community. idk about the other question
The one with nothing after it means it's hosted on the same instance you're on. Which to choose? Just go for the bigger one. It's like if you saw /r/Technology and /r/Tech on Reddit. Just choose the big one
At the moment I agree. I have a couple of other iOS native apps but I keep coming back to wefwef. Also it runs better on my iPhone XS
Artemis looks promising though. Looking forward to it.
I'm waiting for the option to block communities and people. then I will be able to happily use wefwef.
edit, I'm not against anybodeyor anything, but there are times that some entity gets spammy.
I couldn't agree more. Especially the ask instance is incredibly spammy.
Great app, thank you for this !
It doesnāt work on an XR. The interface is too tiny to click login unfortunately.
Using Wefwef right now until Sync becomes available
Looks like a sweet solution!
Tried it out, but it kept saying my account didn't exist and couldn't fetch any posts, etc.
Deb replied here, apparently the app is getting rate limited so it's not really in their hands.
thanks for posting it, hand no idea this existed š„° only downside is having to switch account for certain actions, it would be cool to have everything in one place
Liking this very much so far!
Is this iOS only or is it available for Android? I can only seem to find connect on android
It's a PWA meaning you have to install it via wefwef.app
Really enjoying this one, thank you for the suggestion
macOS Sonoma's new feature to add sites as web apps to the dock works beautifully with wefwef.
I installed the app. But have a question. Before logging in, it asks me to select a server. Now I created my account on ".ml" domain so here too I had to selected that only because when I selected ".world", it told me invalid credentials. Is that expected behavior?
Yes, an account created on one instance (lemmy.ml) will not work on another instance (lemmy.world).
To clarify a bit for you, since it was confusing for me... you have to sign in to whichever instance you registered on (.ml in your case). However, you can view and comment on content from any site that federates with lemmy.ml. So, for example, I'm registered through lemmy.world, but if I go to search and search for "gaming", communities for all instances are returned, at which point I can subscribe, read, and comment on them via my lemmy.world account. (perhaps a bad example since .ml is no longer federated with .world I think)
Then you havent tried Memmy :)
Memmy is pretty good but my profile doesnāt load on it. I have no real problems with wefwef. The only real gripe I have with wefwef is the profile page is a little sparse and is missing avatar, banner, bio, etc.
I have been using Memmy and trying Mlem, so far Memmy seems amazing with each days updates... it is insane how much it has improved just over the past 4-5 days..
Guess I'll try Wefwef too so I can compare each of them. :)
For me, itās failing trying to log into Lemmy.world
I failed initially, but in my case it was because I hadn't verified my email yet.
Once I got that resolved, it's been smooth sailing #-#
I'm on Lemmy.world it works just as well
Just deleted Apollo, to say nothing of my Reddit account, and this is great! Kudos to the dev team! This could legitimately make Lemmy my new Reddit replacement, not just my ātapering offā fix.
Cant seem to log into my account on it
Wow it looks reaaaaally good. Doesnāt seem to be a dark mode though?!
Also, praying for marking posts as READ as we scroll past them. Best Apollo feature
Iām using it in dark mode right now, I think it goes off of whatever the system theme is when you install it as a web app.
Yeah my bad, has my phone in light mode! Looks so good.
This is fantastic!
Can you use this with kbin?
Yup, was just commenting there about AI generated content.
I donāt think it works with kbin. I had to create a lemmy account for it.
I've been using Memmy as it is an actual app and not a web app, and it has a theme actually designed by Christian Selig, the developer of Apollo. Plus it allows logging in to any Lemmy instance and not just the most popular ones.
This is a great app I opened it up and I'm blown away. Can I make a suggestion. Add classic view. Some of us don't like the images/thumbnails right in our face.
Thanks
Nope. Hangs up incessantly.
I wish there were a black theme but I like the app a lot
It respects system dark mode. Override option coming soon
web app so installation is pretty straight forward.
Ugh.
Web apps only work if you have a launcher that supports home screen icons. Not everyone does
So, no way of installing it for me, not straightforward š¤£
I dont get it why there is a c/proprietarysoftware aka [email protected] on a open source software like lemmy? I thought apple enthusiasts doesnt like open source at it is not safe?
Is life that one-sided to you? If you like blue, must you hate everything that's red? You can enjoy Apple's eco system while supporting open source and cheering for it, heck that's what I do, but I don't mind using products from walled gardens either.
walled gardens like adam and eve or what? With that Snake aka "Apple" in our case.
I love Apple stuff. And I do run some open-source software servers. You might know some.
Not everyone has Stallman-like devotion to FOSS
