Deferated from hexbear.net
Deferated from hexbear.net
Sorry (🍁) we did this without making a post, but after receiving several complaints we defederated from hexbear.net yesterday.
Here's a few quick examples of poor conduct by hexbear users:
- Spamming bullshit links to the pig poop picture: https://lemmy.ca/u/[email protected]
- General trolling: https://lemmy.ca/comment/2146513
- Posting the pig poop emoji repeatedly and not adding value to discussions: https://lemmy.ca/u/[email protected] https://lemmy.ca/u/[email protected]
- Calling for exections of landlords: https://lemmy.ca/comment/2154580
They warned their users to behave themselves, but that didn't work: https://hexbear.net/post/280770?scrollToComments=false
Please read and respect the rules of the community instance in which you are posting/commenting. Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated. Realize that you are a representative of the hexbear instance when you post on other instances.
I browsed a bit there. All I saw was trolls planning to troll. They won't be missed.
Federation is working.
Until they decide to 'raid' instances and start their circus again.
Oh, they already are raiding and brigading. Take a look at any post remotely mentioning China, Russia or Ukraine on lemmy.ml or any other instance still federated with them. 90% of the comments will be Hexbear users trolling, harassing people or spreading disinformation, shutting out any real discussion.
I hope the admins on those raided instances are more effective than the admins on hexbear were.
I noticed a few of them posting Russian propaganda the other day. Nothing of value was lost.
They absolutely do. They are freaks of nature.
Essentially communists who support the war crimes committed in Ukriane and the idea of Russian imperialism since it somehow in their twisted little minds equates to a Soviet Union born again.
Wrap your head around that.
I'm all for differing viewpoints but they were just trolls.
Yeah we gave them a chance, but I don't think many of their users were ready for the Lemmy experience so they kind of wandered into All expecting to behave the same as on their "CTH" community, with some of them clearly out to "troll normies/libs".
Good work! Thank you. Hexbear users are trolls. They’re not in it for discussion in good faith. I’ve blocked a few offenders here and there but honestly I think the culture there is so toxic that we’re better off not being federated with them.
100% agree that they are trolls. They flood any China news posts (that's not on lemmy.world) with a truckload of pro-China comments, taking advantage of the fact that a sizeable portion of Lemmy users won't be able to see and downvote them. Whenever someone replies to them with well-thought-out arguments supporting "the western authoritarians," half of them replies with huge and ugly emojis, while the other half parrots more Chinese propaganda (that actually sound well-written if you disregard the fact that China is an oppressive regime).
I just moved instances because my old favorite has so far refused to defederate. I'm willing to deal with the idiot takes, the trolling, the nonsense sources that are almost always youtube videos, and their impressive ability to both support and denounce authoritarianism in the same breath. It's important for me to look at propaganda from multiple perspectives so that I can try to think through it and understand where other people are coming from. But 99% of the time they don't even express real opinions; they just flood posts they don't like with obnoxious images. Just for that, I'd take Lemmygrad over Hexbear any day of the week
I said this in the last thread announcing defederation from them...
Freedom of speech doesn't mean an obligation to listen.
Good for you! I saw some of their posts pop up in my feed and had to block them too. Just too much edgelord stupidity.
Well their instance is definitely not the ones to cry "free speech", they're not right wingers. They just think it's funny lol.
It is funny
I might have to make a new account here. I made a comment and then edited it to address a Q_Anon adjacent hexbear user that replied to me. It's really strange. They say they are extreme leftists on their sidebar, but their politics are anti-Western, which puts them essentially with NK, China, and Russia, which are an authoritarian brand of communist or fascist that prosecutes and imprisons trans, LGBTQ+, etc,.
At this point I think they are simply trying to get reactions and shit stir for lulz. Getting told I should die because I corrected a Hexbear's use of misinformation is surreal. I never thought an extreme Leftist or five would openly and brazenly support a regime that literally made supporting LGBTQ+ stuff a crime only a year or two ago. It's wild.
Yea they're insane. They brigade any post about China or Russia to defend them with some whataboutism and anyone who dares oppose them gets called a bigot because they pretend to be LGBT friendly. Just look at some of the pronouns they choose to use. I understand some people might prefer more unique pronouns like ze/zem and whatnot and that's fine but they're just straight up trolling by using stuff like comrade/tank giving our LGBT friends a bad name. Its more obvious they're trolls because they defend very anti LGBT countries while pretending to belong to the community.
Isn't a decent chunk of it just being anti-US? They were happier with the US and EU being two (closely related) poles in a multipolar world. They're much more strongly against the US and EU coupling together.
The EU has become increasingly dependent on the US... That's dangerous.
I fully agree with EU dependency being extremely dangerous.
I never thought an extreme Leftist or five would openly and brazenly support a regime that literally made supporting LGBTQ+ stuff a crime only a year or two ago. It's wild.
Your view of what Leftist means is extremely biased within the modern American context if you are surprised by that. There are lots of definitions of Leftist and the 2023 American Left-wing definition is not the only one.
You're right, it's been a learning experience.
Edit after having looked into it: init is a liar, they are a US soldier and were attacked for that reason, more in the next comments
Which Q Anon adjacent user? Link would be nice, if you are speaking truthful it would great if you could do a link, but name is fine, too.
Most leftists are anti-Western, has to do with the US's hegemonial role during the Cold War and its support of genocide, murder, torture and violence against socialist sympathizers and coups i.e. in South America. As the Jakarta Method describes well.
Getting told I should die because I corrected a Hexbear’s use of misinformation is surreal.
Do you have a link for that as well?
It's all in response to this comment.
You made the right decision. Hexbear users aren't here to discuss anything in good faith, they're here to brigade and harass. That's all I've seen from them ever since they federated.
I checked out the instance and at least half the comments on federation posts were just plotting how to annoy other communities, not splitting their "force" too wide, and taking bets on how long until they're defederated. Not worth our time.
What's wrong with hating landlords?
No calls for violence seems like a simple rule. And not every landlord is greedy mcshitstain with 50 properties, many of them are a single family with their starter home rented out, or a couple renting out their extra room.
It is interesting that you conflate two things, like "no violence" (ignoring the violence that landlords, yes even small ones, do) and then also having the urge to defend and discriminate landlords with good ones implicitly not beeing greedy and single families. However what you wish for in the world is not what I hear when I go to the pub on the corner, there I will hear calls for violence against quite a few groups, trans people, women, minorities, marginalized, unhoused, politicians, leftists, antifascists, activistsm BIPoCs, neurodivergent, unhoused, etc. etc. plenty of times and fast.
I just wish people like you would try to enforce your "no violence" rules in real life as openly as you do it here. Of course I would also urge you to see violence in denying people healthcare or housing, education, food etc, too.
In Berlin the stock exchange listed property companies own more than 20% of the flats, big corporations/large private investors own more than 20%, too, then there are smaller still very profit oriented companies, as well as smaller investors, basically 50-60% of all flats (and that amounts to more than 90% of all newly let out flats) are controlled by them, which means that to focus on small landlords is pretty irrelevant. Give me a specific city and specific ownership structure (which works well in some European countries in which plot information, company information and sometimes individual income information are online and open).
"Many" in small landlords means too few to have market price changing effects. Even small landlords do take the worth increases of their plots which are related to things outside their control i.e. state investments, network effects etc. even the small ones take in renters so that the renters finance their mortgages. So they are not really different, though they don't have the economic power to influence politics as much and abuse the court systems as much.
Communists don't care for that distinction, they believe all landlords (even non-exploitative ones like you mentioned) are inherrently exploitative and therefore deserving of death. Yes, this applies to you even if you just rent out a room, but don't worry, money won't exist and everything will be free!
Nothing's wrong with hating landlords. I hate landlords. Lots of people hate landlords. There's a difference between calling for economic reform and calling for mass executions.
I support the move of the admins, but of the points they made, this point was the one that I was like "eh I mean, that's fine tho". People are tired and civil unrest is growing. I think it's fine to try and vent that even if it means punching (or shooting) up. It might be unsavoury, but broadly I don't have an issue with it in small amounts.
Dude's posting on c/canada, which is never going to do mass executions. It's a joke, even if it landed poorly.
some landlords might have to go but there are degrees. Speculating in housing is unethical, but a small land leech isn't some kulag who needs to be ended.
Also, property managers, really? They are just wage workers.
I guess the admins of this instance are probably landlords.
In isolation, that one just read like a tongue in cheek comment to me.
Calling for exections of landlords
Link doesn't work for me, but without any context: kind of hilarious.
Odd. Here's their side of it: https://hexbear.net/comment/3708345
I've mixed feelings about this. But I support the admins, generally, and will assume they are acting in good faith.
This is sort of like an email provider getting their domain blacklisted. Yes, it hurts some legitimate users, but they are a source of spam and crap and the nuclear option is legitimate.
You are welcome to hop on over to any instance that isn’t defederated or even hexbear itself!
If you have mixed feelings about removing these pieces of trash, you’re either a piece of trash too or a useful idiot.
these pieces of trash
Wonder why this is not seen as trolling and personal attacks, is it cause it is aimed into the right direction @mods?
kbin.social
In my opinion, good choice. It had to be done. Won't be missed.
I saw some reallllly really sketchy takes from some @hexbear accounts on the fediverse, but my instance had already defederated from them without much fanfare, so I didn't know exactly what their deal was (our admin has a really reasonable head on his shoulders.)
This clears up a lot.
Thank you
Their post about our defederation is absolutely unhinged, I must say – top keks if you can handle reading it. Seriously, though, I am quite shocked at the amount of vitriol on their instance; being a leftist myself, I don't really understand the point of being mean to everyone that they would presumably want to help via their politics.
“Oh, you live in a Western country and are subject to late-stage capitalist horrors? Let me save you – wait, you don't agree with me? Then go screw yourself, good luck in the revolution.”
Certainly education would be the solution, overcome the Stockholm syndrome?
Oh well, good riddance.
Preußisch
Prussian Blue being used as a user by someone also saying "top keks" rings the same for me as it does for @[email protected]
The Leuchter report was an inaccurate study that was trying to disprove that there were gas chambers at Auschwitz, to try to help Nazis in court. It did this by claiming that because there wasn't any Prussian blue, that there couldn't've been cyanide in the chambers/showers, since Prussian Blue contains cyanide.
This is like saying that because you don't have a cake, your kitchen has never had an eggs.But of course, when the walls of were tested cyanide was found.
Can't believe I need to say this but yes the Holocaust happened, and it was bad.
Prussian blue is also used in medicine, did you know that? I am a pharmacy student. There's quite a few reasons I like the name. Holocaust denial is not one of them. I also watched the Myles Power video.
Also I'll never understand why non-rightoids can't use kek, it comes from Korean to English via WoW.
Thanks for your posts. Sadly OP is not listening and is only trying to deflect (and defend 4chan implicitly). But at least some other people might be more cautious about them now. Since they are at most an early 20s student makes clear why they are so jovial about those things.
top keks
being a leftist myself
preussischblau
liking military history
X: [Doubt]
None of your comments within the last 2 month point into any direction like that.
Just a warning Preußisch Blau, the colour and name, is mostly used by what in the US would be Alt-Right people who try to link themselves to the German Empire (sometimes as substitute for the Nazi regime). Using 4chans kek hints at you being aware of that.
If you want to educate yourself and really are German as you claim you can visit our museum to learn more.
Firstly, there is no need to warn me and be all condescending. Secondly, there are many reasons I like the name; military history is indeed one of them, but that does not mean I worship the historical nation of Prussia – I am not a monarchist. Thirdly, I do not live in the US and couldn't care less about people who think American politics are global politics. Fourth, I do not need to constantly do a song and dance online to be a leftist. Fifth, kek comes to English from Korean via WoW and rightoids do not have a monopoly on language.
“If you want to educate yourself and really are German as you claim you can visit our museum to learn more.” What museum? What do I need to be educated on?
Not directly affected here (i'm at a different instance), but it's pretty easy to spot their users, they behave like it's 4chan or some shit discord server, stickers everywhere. No wonder reasons 2 and 3 are spot on.
Posting (...) pig poop balls is hilarious
Only if you're a fucking idiot
Reasonable. Makes me consider switching instances...
I have been visiting hexbear recently. I have discovered that there is a great deal of content there that is important to me and that I have been "protected" from. It's clearly a legitimate instance with a dedicated administration team. The Lemmiverse is moving fast and changing dramatically. Would @[email protected], @[email protected], et al consider reviewing this decision now that it is about a year later?
Always open to reconsidering things. Can you give some examples of the content you're missing?
Tbh when I go look at their local feed it just seems like all shitposts
For example, c/food is the best general population food forum I've ever seen for my particular needs. A lot of the non-vegan parts of the site is not just tolerant but considerate to vegans. That's frigging unheard of. I don't know what the big deal with shit posters is, but that is hardly the only or defining feature of the culture.
I feel like if you wade into a community you're not a member of and don't understand looking for shit posts, a lot of things are going to look like shit posts.
Did they do any of this spamming on your instance? They've kept most of that to their own instance but they definitely dont back down when someone from another instance says some dumbass shit.
Stupid move you should really feel bad. I feel bad for your users.
Probably get banned for this comment but all of the rights we have were taken via violence. Nothing else is going to stop feudalism in this country except violence. That guy threatening landlords is, like it or not, correct
Not that I want to go killing people, but that's quite literally the only way change is made throughout all of human history
How many Canadians had to take up arms and murder their countrymen to get gay marriage and cannabis reform? The other side certainly used a lot of violence, AND THEY LOST. I only have to come up with one counterexample and there's two.
That's it. That's all there is to it. It is true that some rights took violence to establish, but clearly there are plenty that didn't. If for example it takes violence to fix our housing problems, then I guess that's what would have been needed, but there are plenty of options before we get there.
Yes violence can be both successful and unsuccessful but to begin with the state likely used violence against violent supporters of bad drug policy and bigoted marriage laws, or alternatively against covid deniers and what not. On the other hand people did riot for weed and gayness 50 or so years ago and continually violently defended themselves in their continued (political) existence for these years. Political change, even if the laws change relatively non violently at the end, needs violence or at least the threat of violence to come about.
What childish nonsense. You have no absolute rights as a member of a society. Every right is limited and every law limits a right. Virtually none of those were passed through violence.
You're not advocating for violence, so why would you be banned?
We don't want to prevent reasonable discourse with opposing opinions, we just don't want an army of trolls and (literal) shit posters overwhelming everyone else.
Property managers are just wage workers.
Read "Against the logic of the guillotine" perhaps
This seems like it could have been solved at the instance level by banning some emojis... So I guess I'm confused?
I still don't agree with censoring political views that we disagree with. It's a slippery slope, especially when these are REAL people that DO exist. They deserve to have their voice heard, even if it's so they can be shit on.
Edit: is there no way to block individual users without defederation? It sounds like taking the nuclear option against a few bad actors. We should want to have our worldview challenged since that's a core component of democracy.
views that we disagree with
a few bad actors
Please stop with all those disingenous takes. OP makes it quite clear that it was not based on differences in viewpoint but toxic and trolling behaviour. And it is not "a few bad actors" from that instance behaving in such a way, it is everyone, since that is their publicly stated main purpose for existing.
I don't think massive trolling that happens to use an emoji would be solved by blocking that specific emoji.
The great thing about the fediverse is that you can vote with your feet. If you're really dedicated to their nonsense you can create an account there and read and participate as much as you like. The reason no one is leaving to go there is that we all know that they produce nothing of any value.
It's not about political views. There are plenty of comrades around here who just don't ask for killing of fellow Canadians or parrot obvious Russian propaganda. I have quite enjoyed some thought provoking or educational comments from Hexbears but we have to pay for those with enduring the rest of the low effort vomit.
All I'm seeing is instance owners defederaring others for various reasons... Know what we've got here? Too many cooks.
