Which password manager to use?
Which password manager to use?
I currently use KeepassXC that is synced through NextCloud. The sync isn't very elegant, especially on my phone. So I'm looking for a new password manager, which has a native server sync support that I can self host. What do y'all recommend? I need at least a phone app and a browser integration that can autofill.
I've been using Bitwarden for years now. Their free tier is amazing, they're rarely down, and it's open source with extensions and apps for every platform.
I tried Proton Pass for a minute while Bitwarden was offline, but quickly ran back to Bitwarden. Proton's extension kept logging out for some reason. I didn't care enough to troubleshoot it.
Most here won’t like this answer. 1Password.
I’ve used it for years and it just works well for me. Finally convinced my spouse to also use it a couple of years ago. Switching is not an option since it took years of convincing to make that happen.
Big fan of Keeppass + syncing program of choice. It has served me well for years. If you don't like nextcloud pick a different syncing app.
Keepersecurity is supposedly zero trust and was recommended by cybersec professionals at work but havent seen it here.
I use KeepassXC on desktop, KeepassDX on my phone and keep it all synced with Syncthing. Works great
This is the way.
There’s a lot of arguments for one solution or the other based on security or privacy, but let me present a different scenario:
Imagine you’re in a natural disaster. Your home based self hosted server is down because of a general rolling network outage or just irrecoverably destroyed. Your offsite on the other side of the county is in a similar state. Can your cloud hosted backup be accessed at generic, public computer in a shelter or public building?
Bitwarden can. It has specific instructions for doing so as safely as possible.
Bitwarden is excellent and the paid plan is very reasonable unlike with others.
Bitwarden
Never looked back.
Have you tried syncthing? It works great with keepassxc.
Vaultwarden is pretty easy to self host.
For native sync, the two good and reputable alternatives are Bitwarden and Proton Pass
2nding the Bitwarden, absolutely love it. I moved from LastPass years ago and never looked back.
3rded moving from LastPass to Bitwarden and never looking back. I got out when LogMeIn got in.
Selfhosted VaultWarden with Bitwarden browser apps and KeyGuard on my phone, which I like better than the Bitwarden app.
Correct me if I'm wrong: if something happens to your vaultwarden instance, aren't you at risk of losing everything? I do use bitwarden, but I could never self host it. Too important. ID rather use keepass with syncthing so that more than one of my devices have my passwords
If you can't self host --> KeePass If you can self host --> Vaultwarden
Is VW audited in the same way that BW is?
I'm not completely sure, but doesn't Bitwarden encrypt all data before it reaches the server? That means the server implementation is a bit less important. I guess you probably don't want to be leaking even encrypted databases though since there is a chance they could be cracked.
Really I don't know, surely a bit less but in my opinion, not that much
Bitwarden.
My recommendation: Don't use Vaultwarden (self hostable server side of bitwarden. Really easy to run and use). Why? You're not a security personal, and securing your vault isn't your job. You might do a slight mistake that'll lead to the compromise of your vault.
The people at Bitwarden have their work dedicated to securing the vaults and all they do is security. And they'll probably do it better then you. When it comes to serious matter, I prefer to trust the professionals.
Ignoring the security aspect of it Bitwarden is responsible for hosting a fault tolerant, highly available web app.
They have redundant networking, redundant servers, load balancers, redundant databases.
While you could host this yourself to these tolerances it's work and it's not free.
If you're using your password manager to the fullest you have a different password for every resource out there. It's more than a minor inconvenience if you get locked out of your passwords.
Their service is dirt cheap and it's absolutely worth every penny.
Doesn't the server just hold an encrypted vault? What could go wrong when the server is compromised? Just thinking out loud I don't know the answer
Security is also about backups. 3 Replicas 2 Formats 1 Offsite location
I just don't want any unauthorized persons anywhere near my vaults in general. I also see my vault as a critical service that requires high availability, and I know enough about system administration to know that my network and I are not qualified to provide that.
Yep, that's right. In theory you could share the encrypted DB with the public and not degrade security. (Still don't do that though...)
Just to play devils advocate. Bitwarden.com is a much more valuable target. My instance is behind a VPN. I think its actually far more likely Bitwarden will have a breach similar to LastPass then I will. But I agree with you mostly.
Vaultwarden works really well for me.
I like to use SyncThing for my keepass vault. Imo it's about as simple and elegant as it can get without involving third party services.
I know you're asking for an integrated sync but this has been flawless for me and only rarely notice a delay between machines including android, linux, and windows (less that 30s in any case)
I also use Unix pass and self host a git repo over Tailscale to keep it synced across devices. Works like a charm so long as I remember to push whenever I edit a password somewhere.
KeePassXC. Despite a lot of room for improvement, overall it is pretty powerful & you don't have to host a server. You can also sync your password file to cloud storage. With VaultWarden, it will store a cache of your passwords on your phone but you wont' be able to update them away from home unless you also setup port forwarding, dynamic DNS, web server & all that.
Hackers have increased their focus on cracking password managers by extracting data from RAM and registry, compromising local and cloud storage. 25% is a threefold increase compared to the previous year's figures.
I haven't seen it mentioned here so I'll throw it out there - 1Password. It's just a very smooth experience that I really appreciate.
1Password is the only one I found that I can share with the family, syncs changes practically instantly, and actually detects login fields on every platform I use it on (Android, Windows, Linux).
Agreed. The experience is so easy and well integrated that it has been trivial to get my whole family on it. Being open source would be very nice though. That lack of transparency due to closed source is my only real gripe with it.
They are closed source, but their white papers are very good
Got a free family subscription through my work. Before that I was paying for it.
1Password is just great. Wonderful Linux support (desktop app, cli client, identity agent for SSH).
The major update to version 8 was rolled out to Linux first, actually.
One of the few pieces of software where you feel that the developers care about their product.
Good thing the KeepassXC can be used as a 2nd factor authenticator, though it has TOTP only, doesn't offer HOTP.
I used to be a rabid advocate of self hosting password managers, and was switching between Vaultwarden and KeepassXC every few months. But Proton offered a lifetime subscription to Proton Pass with unlimited Simple login aliases, and I bought it now use this exclusively.
Keepass2android should be able to handle nextcloud sync from within the app so that might work better than on device sync. If your done with keepass bitwarden or proton pass are common alternatives
If you're on Android I had seen a better UX for synching with the client Keepass2droid than with KeepassXC or KeepassDX.
On iOS maybe try Keepassium.
KeePassXC doesn't have an official client, does it? Also, KeePassDX has a better UI IMO, is updated much more frequently & is on Fdroid.
I was sure that KeePassXC had an Android client but it seems like my memory tricked me. I do prefer the overall UX of KeePassDX but when I tried several Android KeePass clients during the pandemic I remember that KePass2Droid had an easier Nextcloud sync setup than what KeePassDX offered.
I do the exact same thing as OP with KeepassDX at work and works pretty nice so far, since I gave KeepassDX the right acces rights on the nextxloud directory.
What diferences have you figured out so far with Keepass2android in comparison ?
Easier to setup sync for noobs, however this was years ago maybe it has changed since on DX
Proton pass if general UX and speed are important to you. Bitwarden if amount of features is important to you