What can we do to keep the web open?

Shout-out to Librewolf as well (basically Firefox with better privacy focused configs).

People don't care enough about using browsers that reduce Google's influence on web standards (i.e. non chrome-based browsers)

IME, big momentous events are actually continuous transitions that we only notice in a drastic moment.

This whole chrome thing has been building to this for ages. So beyond using Firefox, there’s also some basic principles that need to be formulated and distributed as “it’s free because you’re the product” is now … not to mention breaking up monopolies.

I am confused by why everyone thinks this is a big threat?

What stops the FOSS community from just continuing to allow ad blockers and other webpage editing features?

And an alternate email service like ProtonMail.

They also have ProtonDrive as an alternative to Google Drive. Apple's iCloud is also end-to-end encrypted now. pCloud is another popular option. There are a number of choices for secure cloud storage these days.

Web search is a bit more difficult. DuckDuckGo is heavily integrated with Bing. Brave Search is hit-or-miss. Yahoo is just a front-end for Bing.

If you need live document collaboration, you're probably already in a setting where either Sharepoint or GSuite are mandated. If you're not, BitAI may be worth looking into.

FREEDOM!

I just want remind everyone that Windows 11 requires your computer to ship with TPM2.0 enabled. This will complete the circuit meaning remote streaming websites can ensure you don’t have DRM on your machine.

TPM is a security token loaded into the firmware of the BIOS put in by the manufacturer to ensure you haven’t tampered with the operating system as shipped and controlled by them.

That will be nice for those websites.

It's not the only way tho. You can also get politically active about it, pressure your representatives into signing legislation in favor of the open web or even join a party or an organization and become the representative yourself and change it from the inside if you can.

Let's stop pretending individual actions are the only thing we can do to stop corporations, that's how they win. We need to act politically.

Except that wont even slow it down.

because tech nerds like us that actually know about it and use it are a slim minority.

The only thing thats going to really stop it is fear mongering and the weights of governments. . and we know how much government loves to crack down on trillion dollar businesses /s

Alphabet needs to be broken up, same as Microsoft and Apple and Amazon. The consolidation of tech into a few giant corporations that have a tremendous amount of power and hold a monopoly/duopoly is doing a lot of harm.

I've been running the entire internet in my browser for 20 years. If I ever close this window, the entire internet will explode.

@floofloof already using firefox to reply here from my mastodon to lemmy post. But definitely this is not enough.

Normies won't do that unless it affects them directly in a big way. Without them it will not make a difference.

Could you please share yours I only have:

“Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.” ― Edward Snowden

(just now learnd who sad that)

I'm gonna argue 'no'.

Sure, we could do something clever with mesh network access points, or use tunneling (VPN) to build a pocket network on top of the existing Internet (TOR does something generally like this to create a more anonymous Internet). So if this were simply a matter of infrastructure, the tech is already there.

However, there are two problems. The biggest problem is adoption. What service can our little pocket network provide that would convince the lay person to tap into such a network? How are we going to advertise this to others? Even if we had our own copy of the current internet's infrastructure, we would have a cool webpage and spread by word of mouth and they would still have advertising dollars. Either we need a killer feature (that they can't simply replicate) or else they'll just win over the average person by the pillow talk of advertising bucks.

However there's also a philosophical problem. To create a open internet, it has to be available to everyone and our problem is that includes the asshole corporations we don't like. The fundamental nature of an internet is to be an interconnected network. By building our own separate network, we're fundamentally creating a walled garden network, not an open network - it's essentially defined by who we're keeping out.

But I'm not going to leave you without a solution. Here's the framework of what I think we need to do to fix the internet†:

• We need to stop treating internet access like a consumer good. It needs to at least be treated as a utility, i.e. as something that has an inherent monopoly and doesn't self-regulate through the process of supply and demand - there is only one internet, no substitute exists. Heck, I'd argue that internet access should be a human right, a tool that fulfills a basic need for connection and communication.

• We need to restore network neutrality, ISPs need to be content neutral, because if they can pick winners and losers, they'll make private deals and pick the winners that work best for them (often another branch of themselves). Since we lost network neutrality formally in the USA less than a decade ago, the internet still looks kinda mostly open, but it's eroding slowly.

• We need to separate ownership of the physical network equipment from the ownership of the information services. Let's call these 'equipment ISPs' and 'general access ISPs'. The physical equipment should be owned and maintained by small companies, ideally with about 5-10 field technicians (the physical footprint that covers will vary based on the setting, dense urban settings will need more companies than sparse rural ones). These small equipment ISPs will not be allowed to negotiate directly with the consumer. The Access ISPs will be the ones that will lease an IP address to the general public as well as basic services such as DNS, and will compete on general service quality (up/down/latency speeds) that they'll have to negotiate with equipment ISPs to ensure quality of service, access ISPs can also sweeten the pot with things like offering an email address or bundling with media services(e.g. Netflix), etc. Equipment ISPs should be expected to have deals with multiple service ISPs, and be prevented from having exclusivity deals. Ultimately, the goal is to allow the general public to have options about which ISP they choose that's not fundamentally limited by where they are at, and the service ISPs are then on the hook to work with the equipment ISPs to fulfill those promises. Equipment ISPs are being given a small monopoly, but if they perform shoddy there'll be neighbors on all sides to shame them, also they'll have to work with at least one or two access ISPs to have any income at all.

• Start choosing people over brands. The biggest crime corporations perform against humanity is to take credit for the work that is ultimately done by unique, talented people, then internally treat people as fungible assets that can be let go once they're not useful. lemmy.world is administrated by @ruud and a small team of admins (check your instance's sidebar for more details). If @ruud and lemmy.world split and he created a new, different Lemmy instance, I'd follow @ruud to the new insurance because he's proved his talent at weathering the problems of keeping a service up and running in the modern internet, whereas lemmy.world … is just a domain name. Google wasn't nearly as evil when it was still run day-to-day by Larry Page & Sergey Brin. Valve rakes in money, but Gabe Newell keeps the company priorities on actually being a good game platform. By contrast Steve Hoffman is hated partially because it often feels his job is to be the face of an otherwise obscure board of directors and he serves them in a way that he doesn't serve his employees, the moderators, or the users in general.

Overall, that's four things we can do. None of them are easy. One is on the global level, one on the national level, one on the state or local level, and one on the personal level.

†I live in the USA, so my perspective is through that lens, but I'm trying to offer ideas that should generalize.

Yeah. This project doesn't go down as far as hardware, but it did take pains to make it as difficult as possible to extend it in bad ways: https://gemini.circumlunar.space/

I'm confused why it wouldn't use https/TLS?

gopher

Down voted, but maybe not wrong?

This is the correct answer. All of the replies saying to use Firefox/support FOSS are missing the point. Once Google rolls this out and promotes it as higher security and guaranteed ad impressions, it will become the standard because all of the websites you want to use will opt in. It won't do you much good to keep using Firefox when your bank, your employer/school, and every news/weather/sports site you try to use require a Google-verified, ad-displaying browser. It's not our choice to make, and that's the point of doing it this way.

I'd go one cynical step further to say that once they have complete control over how pages are displayed on your end, they'll roll out a subscription for ad-free* browsing, which will eventually include ads anyway a couple years down the road.

@whatisallthis i'm still hopeful for web to stay open, but I forgot there more people who don't care if CompanyABC takes over the web until it affects them personally