Good bye, America.

When Obama won on a message of hope and change they decided to use that popularity as currency in exchange for corporate/moderate policy.

I wanted Harris to win. I hate Trump, but I can be mad at the Harris campaign for being shit and giving us Trump. I can be mad at everything.

Let's not forget Biden, who dragged his old ass around on the carpet until the 11th hour before being forcibly ousted by his backers. Same guy who "committed" to being a one term president...until his enormous ego wouldn't allow him to let go.

Cap that off with anointing Kamala instead of any democratic process, like Primaries, and the argument could be made that Biden ushered this entire timeline into existence.
I wanted Harris to win. I hate Trump, but I can be mad at the Harris campaign for being shit and giving us Trump. I can be mad at everything.

That's the right attitude tbqh
Maybe disappointed at the Harris campaign and mad at the fascists who voted for trump
- Mad and extra mad.
  
  That's fair
Obama at least managed to deliver the Affordable Care Act; which despite not being Medicare Part E (Medicare for All), was a significant improvement over what existed before.

What the US needs is a proper progressive firebrand from the Dems; someone from the Bernie school - or hell, just pick from any one of the other Western democracies.

"And we're cool with genocide as long as it's not BlUe MAgA supported genocide! That's just a bridge too far!"

It's more like people didn't show up less than changing their votes.

If that's their takeaway, then we're doomed. They did nothing but court Republicans with their "We can be tough on migrants too" shit. It always blows up in their faces. Biden ran a moderately progressive campaign and blew Trump out of the water. Maybe... just maybe the supposed left party should stop courting the right. Most Americans agree with progressive policies (once you couch them to not sound too "socialist")

If that’s their takeaway, then we’re doomed

Hate to break it to you, but we're doomed. We voted in a fascist.

The best we can hope for is that Trump is less vicious than his rhetoric or that his incompetence prevents him from doing the many awful things he promised on the campaign trail.
- There are things we can do. Here's a very simple action you can take that will help. Whenever you see Russian propaganda that violates the rules of whatever social media platform you are using click the report button. It takes just a few seconds of your time and if you are lucky it will get taken down.
  
  Another thing you can do is education. Tell anyone who is reasonable and will listen about what's going on.
If that’s their takeaway, then we’re doomed.

Yes, which is why we should've sent a different message.
- The only other message that could be sent is "Yes, good, keep doing that."
  
  Been saying it for days, so I'll say it again.
  
  Survive now, protest later. Killing yourself and everyone else is not an effective message.
  
  Let me correct you:
  
  "Survive maybe, protest never. There is no effective way to send a message regardless of how many people have or will die."

Fucking wanks the whole lot of them

Nothing to do with her politics. Everything to do with the BS the Dems pulled to get her on the ballot. Dems told me to hold my nose and vote for democracy. . .for a third time and it just got old.

Sooo, you liked her politics but felt forced into a choice anyway? Am I reading your comment right?

You believe they were all in good faith? I’m convinced some, or even most of the people sending that message got exactly what they wanted.

Some, sure. Most of the time, I assume that when people say stupid shit, it's because they believe something stupid. Usually because their stupid beliefs are parroted in a community of people which are driven by bad actors - like how most conservatives are feeding from the bad actors in Fox News and acting as a self-reinforcing circlejerk of bad opinions.
- That’s certainly part of it. There are also those on the far left that would rather see acceleration towards collapse over another moderate in office. They may not have the numbers, but that doesn’t stop the message from affecting undecided voters.
  
  The "hmm, america seems to be lingering in late-stage and my friends want a collapse before bedtime so..." crowd?
  
  I wouldn't have described myself that way before this election but I might now. It's time for America as we know it to cease to exist. I'm not sure what form that should take but this clearly isn't working anymore.
  
  You're not gonna like what replaces it.
  
  Well I didn't ask for it either but clearly it doesn't matter what I think
  
  I know there's a very "if you know you know" thing happening, but what will replace America? Is it Russian and Chinese troops coming all the way to Florida so they can set up a military base?
  
  Now you have Trump as President and Matt Geatz as AG.
  
  I'd say lock up your teenage daughter but Matt will be all over that.
  
  You could also fight it out, you know. When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.
  
  A third of Americans won’t even vote and you think a rebellion has a chance?
  
  Yes. I'm not talking about the people in the Rust Belt, I'm talking about the people in majority Blue states, like Oregon and Washington. There have been lots of riots over police brutality, and the whole Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone that was kept for almost a month. Thing was, with Trump, there will be way tougher riots. People will not worry about looking good for the press since they're just lying all the time. There are also tons of Trump voters who felt betrayed who were staunch Libertarians, and they studied things like Ruby Ridge and Waco. There's also a lack of IEDs and sniper rifles at those earlier protests, which will also change. It's going to be like the Iraq occupation, not to mention Trump voters being really scared and having poor critical thinking skills, and being uneducated as shit (read: easy to outsmart).
  
  No you’re dreaming.
  
  And you're not doing anything. Whenever someone actually wants to solve a damn problem, you're like "nooo, you can't do that! that's impossible!" and continue to mope all day about the state of the world. Maybe a big revolution would be overkill, but at least I put out pointers for a start. Heed: THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO IS NOTHING. What will appease Trump and his voters? Just having too much melanin angers them, and they're certainly going after our mothers, sisters, and daughters. We Cascadians could all embrace Gandhi's peace methods and we'd still be killed wholesale. Why can't you articulate what's wrong with the plan? Do you have a different plan?
  
  You cannot have America "cease to exist" on its own. Trump will fuck over America, and make it more barbaric in both foreign and domestic affairs, but it will not "stop being America". I'm sick and tired of people saying "this isn't America!" when the United States deposes a democratically-elected candidate again, or when its "democracy" gives people the choice between two war-hawks again, or when the FBI spies on people against their will again, or enacts huge tax cuts again, and so on. Sure, since Kamala is slightly less American, I chose Kamala because of harm reduction. But what I want you all to understand is this:
  
  I don't want the America of the 1990's. I don't want the America of the 1950's. I don't want the America of the 1920's, or the 1890's, or the 1850's, or some fever-dreamt America "that will someday happen". I want NO America. I want NO United States Federal Government.
  
  Sure, Russia and China are bad. But I will not acquiesce to the US military for the sake of fending them off. US democracy has never put people in control of their government; instead, it's been about two warmongers promising to keep things as they are. Ever since 2016, voting has been an act of begging.
  
  Instead of voting to give the government their say, people vote to beg the government not to make draconian laws. Any state will have a happier, freer people if they secede from the Union, defend themselves successfully, and make a fresh start.
  
  Edit: Meant to press "Preview" and pressed something else.
  
  I may not agree with all of your points, but well done in the presentation. Comes across as reasoned and thought out instead of the irl people I interract with that downplay the severity of how this will affect the average and non-average US citizen.
  
  What do you disagree with?
  
  The states having freer, happier people if they seceede. Some of the states have people in charge that I believe would be more exreeme or more crafty in achieving permanent power for themselves. I'd like to be optimistic, but the number of people who agree with Trump's rhetoric and my previous coworker who said they were excited at the idea of a civil war has tempered my positivity.
  
  Something good is here, but I'd still want something to balance the power of those in charge of each state. I definitely agree that the power balance between state and federal right now is all screwed up by the two party system, bad faith actors, and too much distance from the public.
  
  That was a great answer. I didn't realize that state governors could be as bad as Trump, with all the exposés on him.
  
  Piss baby Ted Cruze and destructive toddler Newt Gengrich both come to mind.
  
  Edit: and don't get me started on the Oklahoma senators. Actively sabatoging education and sowing election distrust.