Florida Meteorologist: ‘I Have Never Observed So Many of Earth’s Vital Signs Blinking Red'
Florida Meteorologist: ‘I Have Never Observed So Many of Earth’s Vital Signs Blinking Red'
The planet's vital signs are going haywire, says WFLA's Jeff Berardelli
The next years are going to be fun… The world is burning while the fossil fuel industry is chugging along like everything is great as long as you buy enough co2 credits.
I’m scared in what kind of world my children will have to live in…
It'll be fine. It has all happened before. There was 5x to 10x as much CO2 in the atmosphere when the dinosaurs were alive (2000 to 4000 ppm).
All we need to do is kill off about 7 billion people and have the survivors move to the south pole atleast 300' above sea level.
Remember when Gary Johnson argued that climate change wasn't a big deal because the sun would become a red giant in a few billion years anyway?
You had me with the first half ngl
Not sure if this was sarcasm. On a serious note:
There was 5x to 10x as much CO2 in the atmosphere when the dinosaurs were alive (2000 to 4000 ppm).
Yes, but that is irrelevant. CO2 levels were never so high in the existence of humans. We know for a fact humans could survive without burning coal and oil. We do not know wether our existence is compatible with these unprecedented CO2 levels, but started the experiment nevertheless.
Lol definitely sarcasm per the second paragraph of that comment. Good point on general toxicity at those levels. I looked it up and it appears we can survive it, albeit in a moderately reduced state.
Remember, elections have consequences. While, at least in the US, neither party is perfect, Republicans are actively engaged in climate denial.
Vote accordingly.
It seems like elections only have consequences and never any benefits. While republicans are worse than democrats, I don't see democrats moving effectively in this area. It's usually business as usual with democrats (e.g. Biden signing in more drilling permits). At best I see too-little-too-late agreements with non-strict enforcement that republicans can cancel any time they get power (which is inevitable in our system).
While republicans are worse than democrats,
That doesn't really matter - the problem is they enable each other. They just play a "good cop, bad cop" routine while "business as usual" accelerates. Political parties aren't interested in changing the status quo - but it's the status quo that must be changed.
The problem is that as long as actively lying in order to get elected isn't a crime and enough people are just falling for those lies then there is nothing we can do really.
The reality is that adaptions for climate change WILL as a direct response change habits that people had for years and even make our lives on average less luxurious - if it's legal for one party to campaign on "everything can stay the same way it's been" that's more attractive to a lot of people.
Elections sort of have consequences sometimes. In some places. Especially in the US, both sides play the same game and both allow corporations to act with enough impunity for it to make no difference who is in charge. The fact that "democracy" has become a choice between two essentially identical options tells you everything you need to know about the idea. Not to mention that the US is a republic not a democracy anyway and is therefore a totally different beast. And the second biggest economy and influence on the climate is China - another "democracy" which isn't one.
"the US is a Republic not a democracy..."
Thanks for telling us that you don't know WTF you're talking about.
This idea of yours, that republics and democracies are somehow mutually exclusive concepts is a deeply stupid category error that has zero basis in political science (to say nothing of practical reality) and almost always is the redoubt of those who wish to justify the dysfunction of the current status quo.
"the US is a Republic not a democracy..."
Thanks for telling us that you don't know WTF you're talking about.
This idea of yours, that republics and democracies are somehow mutually exclusive concepts is a deeply stupid category error that has zero basis in political science (to say nothing of practical reality) and almost always is the redoubt of those who wish to justify the dysfunction of the current status quo.
Weather and even temperature are a bit of a red herring in all this. The extreme weather is caused by the rising temps and feedback loops, but what's happening is just the heat trying to normalize. We're not going to end up with 70c at the equator and -30c at the poles. Look at the cretaceous temp, CO2, and fossil records and you'll see that the temp evens out even with CO2 massively higher then today, and you end up with things like temperate rainforest at the south pole. Our real issue and the one we should be actively fighting against (as in actual in-the-street rebellion) is the absolute destruction of the environment. Chemical dumping, strip mining, industrial fishing, industrial agriculture, forever chemicals, microplastics, desertification and deforestation. These things are going to cause ecological collapse and kill almost everyone in the next generation or two, no question about it. We don't have to worry about the heat getting us
Some parts of the world definitely do have to worry about the heat getting them. We've already seen wet bulb temperatures exceeding human habitability in places where millions live, and some recent studies have suggested that in the long run our metric for true human habitability may actually be too wide.
From where I am in the Philippines, it's a huge fucking deal. We've been getting supertyphoons more frequently, more intense and abrupt storms, and if not that, regular temperatures more than 30C°, and our country being an archipelago, is humid AF. We've been getting more crop shortages, more droughts, even constant hours-long water interruptions in the big cities. Not to mention, the huge damages due to those typhoons.
You are right, all these other problems are also really bad. A lot of stuff is happening at the same time. It's hard for me to read about all the shit that is going down and not be able to do anything impactful against these things.
Yeah its really tough and I try to limit my doomscrolling to the amount needed to stay informed. One huge problem with all this is that it effects the most privileged the least, and even the day to day things we can do to feel like we're helping are only really available to those of us with that privilege. Like, I could say "start a vege garden, buy hemp and wool clothes, fix things in your workshop instead of buying new" but yeah, those aren't really options most people can take unless we change the underlying structure of our society first. But then, why don't we try changing society so we can then fix these issues? In the end, it's all part of the class war, and we're losing badly.
Weather and even temperature are a bit of a red herring in all this. The extreme weather is caused by the rising temps and feedback loops, but what’s happening is just the heat trying to normalize.
More and more severe extreme weather events are a bad thing, aren't they?
Environmental destruction is bad, yes. But climate change causes a host of major issues (adding ocean acidification to your list). Rising temperatures and extreme weather certainly will cause deaths and trouble long before the heat normalized, if that ever happens.
Bad weather is also expensive AF. There's a reason reinsurers such as MunichRE aren't on the climate change denial train: They see the writing on the wall of not being able to back the insurers you buy your flood insurance from at a price point anyone could afford. If the damages become too high on aggregate, things simply become uninsurable (hence also why states don't require nuclear plants to have insurance but back them themselves but that's another can of hidden subsidy worms).
People are talking about "but investment in climate-friendly technology costs money and we must think of the economy and prosperity" -- motherfucker if you were thinking about prosperity and the economy you wouldn't set us on a path towards cities being destroyed faster than we can build them. Broken window fallacy times a million.
Climate change is one of the biggest reasons I don’t want children. I can’t put blinders on and then feel zero responsibility for dragging them into a hopeless nightmare.
For my wife and I it was initially economic but now we would not have natural kids even if we bacame rich. might adopt if that happend. I am so glad we are not older because if we had been we might have had kids before realizing what a cluster everything is.
i have kids. i actively worry about how miserable their future may be. i try not to talk about this stuff to them much because i don't want to scare them with it. i don't think there's anything i or they can do (except maybe vote).
i try not to talk about this stuff to them much because i don’t want to scare them with it.
IMO that's exactly the opposite of what you should be doing. Frankly, what we need is for folks to be raising a generation of Greta Thunberg-types.
See also the bit about "weaponized hopelessness" in the Kurzgesagt video mentioned elsewhere in the thread.
I feel you. I have kids too. I fear for their future.
On the flipside, it's also true that if we all simply give up and don't have kids because the future looks so bleak, by definition we are admitting to a kind of psychic defeatism and epistemic hopelessness. Having kids is one of the best ways for regular people to have any hope of influencing the future.
Partner and I are child free and this is a big part of it.
It may not be as hopeless as you think: https://youtu.be/LxgMdjyw8uw
I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but Kurzgesagt just peddles capitalist greenwashing.
Capitalism will never fix the problem it has caused - never.
This is exactly why my partner and I are not having children.
Is it bizarre it doesn't bother me that much about what happens to humanity at this point? Scientists have seen this happening decades ago and have implored companies and governments to make changes, only to land in deaf ears... so in a way, we saw this coming and didn't care. We kinda had it coming. What I really worry for are the innocent animals, fauna, and flora that will definitely be affected by this. It upsets me even just a change in temperature can mean life or death for some species. I just hope we can still slow this down enough for them to be able to adapt too 😥
I’m sorry you feel that way, but I get where you’re coming from.
Zoom out a little though and it’s consequences are war, famine, and desecration.
If not the human suffering, consider eons long chains of biology that’ll be wiped off the face of the earth as climates shift quicker than their ability to adapt
Oh, for sure. There will be battles for resources that would probably dwindle exponentially. There will be loads of suffering throughout. I've worried so much for years and have made my own contributions to reduce my carbon footprint - recycled and reused as much as I can, not buying a car, among others - and it's so exhausting to keep caring when the main perpetrators get to keep doing it abundantly relatively scot-free. At this point, it's just easier for my own mental health to choose my battles and to choose which one to worry more and hopefully help in that aspect. This is one of the main reasons I've decided to become childfree; it's just cruel to bring life to an uncertain world where the bad guys run rampant.
But hey the last article I read was a bunch of totally-relatable-super-wealthy-individuals who are just like me, asking why people aren't having kids! Are you telling me the world is actually a hellscape and I've been lied to?
This is why I'm not having kids.
Same for me. That and being an irresponsible man-child who could probably never handle raising a child.
Yeah, I couldn't tolerate bringing a child into a dying planet. Seems cruel if your following these things.
Life finds a way, and if your in a well developed nation with a strong military you will be among the last to feel the full impact of it.
I felt this way before, but decided screw it, if people can laugh and smile and love, even if it's only on occasion, while they work in a hell hole like a electronics recycling dump in Africa, then it's still worth it to exist. Just teach them to hunt and garden and stuff and give them the best chance you can.
Same for me. That and being an irresponsible man-child who could probably never handle raising a child.
I'm a severe weather meteorologist for a government org (non-US). This is alarmist nonsense. There is plenty of proper statistical evidence for climate change, it's bizzare that the opinion of one irrelevant meteorologist is being voted up to the front page. Most of the weather forecasters I work with know very, very little about climate change (as do most posters on here who love to type in short, sharp sentences to make themselves seem authoritative).
If now isn't the time to be alarmed, when is?
And your point is? Are you arguing that alarmism isn't called for? That everything is fine and we shouldn't try to mitigate emissions?
Or are you simply arguing that most weather forecasters know very little about climate change so.... I guess I don't know what?
Again, what's your point? Are you just flexing or do you actually have something useful to contribute to the conversation?
Please share with us your vast knowledge on this subject.
The world failed to take action against climate change, now they're going to be late to take action to the adaptation of civilization to a dangerous environment. Too late to stop climate change, it's time to think about adapting to a new environment.
Humanity can certainly adept to climate change, but these changes will also cause a lot of people to relocate. I’m not sure if society, in the current political climate, can adapt quick enough to be able to deal with the influx of possible climate refugees.
... and with unwanted or simply too many refugees comes conflict, both at home and abroad. Those who are slow to join the Great Climate Migration toward less- or differently-affected areas will struggle more over time, and there will be increasing wealth inequality as a result. It's a difficult picture of a future to which unfortunately many people seem oblivious.
When even Florida is telling you shit is fucked... Shit is FUCKED
Almost ten years ago, I was in Miami for a conference, and they were pumping water out of the streets back then. I would guess it's not gotten any better.
Here in Michigan we’ve been getting hammered with forest fire smoke all summer. It sucks because we only get a few months of nice weather as it is and we can’t spend most days outside if we value our lungs. I need my lungs for precious cannabis smoke, not forest fire smoke!
Yeah, I’m in Michigan and I really don’t like this year. First, we have a dry spring. Then a hot, dry summer up until a day or so ago. Now wildfire smoke. It’s like each day is worse this year. I’ll be happy when fires are stopped.
I need my lungs for precious cannabis smoke, not forest fire smoke!
You ever look into dry vaporizers? The old model of EQ is a pretty good value esp. on sale.
Unfortunately I normally like to run mine off of solar under our pavilion and keep the heat (esp. pre-heat stage) outside. Although I still have AVB saved up and I run mine at 175C tops (and de-chamber it or cool-down quickly) so it doesn't have a bad taste.
That aside, I'm in Michigan too. Not north enough to have lower summer heat but also apparently not south enough to avoid Canada's smoke. Though I am much more likely to die in a heat wave because I cannot sweat significantly.
yeah we got it in chicago but you guys seem situated where you get it no matter which way it goes were as we only got it when it went west
To be fair (and the article does sort of mention this) we are in an El Nino year, so of course things are heating up terrifying fast. Thing is, El Ninos are impacted by climate change, so... This isn't a cop-out, it's just this is kind of as bad as it can get (for now) which is reassuring (hopefully?)
I would disagree: Since we’re still in the early phase of a new (super? As is being discussed) El Niño — later this year and likely next 1-2 year/s will probably be worse.
It really depends on so many things. AR6 was a depressing read, but we do still have different pathways, people are responding to the crisis. I have the privilege of seeing first hand the commitments being made by some rather large emitters and the actions being undertaken to meet those commitments. I guess what I'm saying is, we can still hope. We shouldn't give-up and resign ourselves to this fate.
On the other hand we literally have a CEO of a gas and oil company chairing COP28 next year... So... Yeah...
This is the article that the linked article is about. I'm 99% sure Europeans aren't going to be able to access that link without a VPN because a lot of the local news sites refuse to comply with EU laws .
Thanks, here is the archived article which is also available in the EU: https://archive.is/nBxrS
it seems the interests of the fossil fuel industries are not aligned with the people.
When even Florida is telling you shit is fucked... Shit is FUCKED
Florida has been saying this for decades. Some of the nation and world's best climate research facilities are in the state. Think NASA, National oceanic and atmospheric administration NOAA, University of Miami's ocean and climate research is world class etc. The state is almost all at sea level with 800 miles of coastline and an economy that depends on beach tourism so they have a huge incentive to mitigate climate change. "Smart Money" is pulling out of the state already, with major insurance being firms priced out of the market.
You need to remember Florida is a deeply divided state, something like 51/49 crazy/sane ratio, with the loonies narrowly holding the sane people hostage by a handful of votes. There's 22 million people in the state and most of the ones in civilized areas are indeed sane. It's the hillbilies out in the sticks that deny climate change. In 2018 for example they voted OUT Bill Nelson, a democratic senator with a history of supporting climate and science, and voted IN Rick Scott, the former FL governor who refused to allow his administration to even use the term "Climate Change." (Bill Nelson later went on to be the head of NASA which is good but shows you the type of person he is, who FL voted out.)
This all goes to show why you need to listen to this FL meteorologist extra careful, because Florida believe it or not has some extremely bright educated resourceful people that are extremely motivated to fight climate change...but are unfortunately held hostage and muted by the lunatics.
Im scared of the world I currently live in.
The next years are going to be fun… The world is burning while the fossil fuel industry is chugging along like everything is great as long as you buy enough co2 credits.
That doesn't sound fun. That doesn't sound fun at all!
Yeah I think this guy lied to us!
He’s a liar everyone! I bet the earth is actually COLD right now! I mean space is like -270 degrees so maybe we should just let some of that in
Indulgences are always bullshit.
When even Florida is telling you shit is fucked... Shit is FUCKED
You triple posted FYI, lemmy is probably slow from the hordes of refugees from reddit.
Obviously the dude is not a biologist... Earth is gonna be fine long term, the other species are gonna be fine long term. The only thing we're running into the ground is ourselves.
Edit: check out all these clowns below who have a human superiority complex so inflated that they believe the earth will die with us 😂🤡
Earth may persist as a dead rock floating though space, but I'd argue that doesn't come close to 'fine'.
Kinda like saying if you get lost in the desert you'll be fine: sure your organs will fail, your muscles will turn to jerky, and you'll be very much dead: but your skeleton will remain for decades!! 🎉
Life is what makes Earth special, and we're on track to reducing life to extremiphiles. Hell, even those could be at risk - the problem with climate change is positive feedback loops, and who knows how far those will push. Even the most resilient of microbastards won't do too great when Earth is molten.
Extreme-case scenario, but whether that's what happens or we get some kind of miracle climate shift and Earth lives happily ever after, or anywhere in between, is roll of the dice.
Earth is gonna be fine long term
It's a metaphor.
Like when people say "The economy is in trouble", no one really cares about the economy itself. The economy will be fine. Even if it crashes by 90%, it's still an economy, right?
What we mean when we use these metaphors is, how the life of people living in these systems will be affected.
Maybe a better analogy to the title is the life support system of a spaceship. If that system flashes you with warning lights, you'll be worried, but not because the spaceship itself is in trouble. It will travel through space and time just fine, eons after it's passengers have suffocated.
What kind of assholes are still having children?!
Dude, if you don't have anything useful to contribute just save the energy your comment is taking up.
If you are just here to attack people without making a point go back to reddit.
You mean you don't like the VERY OBVIOUS point I made. Well, tough! Having children today is massively irresponsible, and only assholes and ostriches are still doing it. Is that clear enough for you? Do I need to dumb it down further? The reference to ostriches refers to a cliche where those birds are said to cover their eyes when danger is around, so they are not upset by it.
Like we have for the last century? At some point, the doom sayers gotta be taken down a notch.
Remember when it was Global Cooling?
Ok, but I wouldn't say this is the same at all. They talked about global cooling, they weren't living in it.
The climate is getting hotter, faster than any other period in history. Other warming events have taken thousands of years, this warming event has happened in 150 years. This is irrefutable fact, as we have the temperature records to prove it.
When did they talk about Global Cooling? Sources please.
Who are these doom sayers you are talking about?
1975.
They were wrong but they did talk about it.