Abortion rights have won in every election since Roe v. Wade was overturned

They didn't overturn abortion, they overturned a right to privacy. Much more scary when you think of it like that

Are you claiming that they overturned the 4th amendment?
- The 4th amendment has been effectively dead for a long time. I think the war on drugs killed it.
- That's actually a very good way to put it.
  
  Look at some of the rules they've tried to pass. Checking on high school students' mensuration, checking on people who leave the state for abortions, trating miscarriages as murder.
- Yeah, pretty much. Look at how stupid-state AGs are demanding women's health records from sane states. https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/republican-state-ags-are-seeking-state-medical-records-rcna94935

It's the ultimate example of the dog catching the car. People took the right to choose for granted and the conservatives used is solely as a campaign tool to raise money. Now that that people have woken the fuck up they're realizing how harmful abortion bans are to a women's health and how demeaning it is to say that women can't make their own decisions when it comes to their own body. The Dobbs decision have put Republicans in an impossible position and are almost certainly going to cost them elections statewide and federally for the foreseeable future.

no one woke up. they realized that they'd be personally affected by it, and changed their minds.
- That's basically the definition of "woke up" in this context.
- That's a distinction without a difference.

Having a central dictating authority over every state is fascist and evil.

this is an absolute meme of an argument

should states have the right to execute people who are the wrong religion?

if no, then what's the difference between that and allowing them to ban a life-saving operation on what boils down to religious grounds?

Thats an argument against federalism itself lol

And it is no doubt a facetious argument, they don't actually believe that they just say it but what they mean is they want us for only them to have that control

Good to see that they have.

I wish this was true but sadly it is not. Anti-choice candidates have continued to be elected and pass laws since June 2022.

I assume they're only referring to when abortion was voted on by itself, not when it was a package deal with a politician (since pretty much all Republicans are gonna be anti-choice).
- That’s because you’re a good read.
Because these sheep vote for a letter next to their name. But an issue on a ballot may be backed by them but it doesn't have a letter itself, so people actually turn into individuals a bit more

Just happened in Ohio. If there were a candidate called "R-issue 1" he would have won with 53% of the vote. But since it was just "Issue 1" and it affected people, they struck it down 43-57 for-against

Anti-abortion advocates scored a big win on June 24, 2022, when the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. But since then, their luck seems to have run out.

Abortion has been on the ballot in seven states since that landmark court decision one year ago and in each instance, in red states and blue states, anti-abortion advocates have lost.

In some instances, voters have approved state constitutional amendments protecting abortion rights. In others, they've rejected measures that would weaken protections or make explicit in the state constitution that abortion rights are not protected.

I hate that phrasing. Their “luck” didn’t run out. That does not describe what happened at all

Makes you wonder if the corporate elite class uses this issue (and other) just as a tool for control. Easy divide and move a population back and forth on hot push button topic. Meanwhile the top 1 percent.. investment bank continue to hoard all wealth as we see it stripped away by inflation.

I will vote for a glib, anti union, pro corporate generic candidate because he / she “strongly” supports (or not) abortion.

Yes this is a cynical take and the abortion issue is important … just cannot shake the issue is in a continual cycle to keep people divided, distracted as they get poorer and work harder.

That’s been a big chunk of the political landscape. The Republicans and the Catholics are not natural bedfellows and campaigning on Abortion has been how they pulled a ton of them to the right. If the Republicans lose the Catholic vote, they will not win for 50 years, especially since they have been counting on Hispanic anti-abortion votes to cover what they lost on the white college educated elite in the long term.

It's a shame that the SUPREME COURT is the highest court in the land.

That headline is like saying "Well our team scored the most 3-point shots" as if somehow that negates the fact that the final score is what determines who wins a game. People are trying to gloss over the fact that the SC determines the law of the land and they are simply trying to latch onto these smaller (and probably meaningless) victories because if anything gets challenged and ends up in front of the SC, it won't win.

Not at all. The majority opinion in Dodd clearly states that the issue should be decided at the state level, so even if a case somehow did make it to the SC, they would almost certainly decline to hear it since the matter, as far as they're concerned, is already settled. In that event the last ruling stands and cannot be further appealed.
- they would almost certainly decline to hear it
  
  I remember when Roe was "settled law", too. They'll hear whatever they want if it lets them achieve their political goals. Remember that at least one Justice (Thomas?) was on record basically asking for more abortion cases to get to the SC so they could decide on them. He got his wish.
- That's how it SHOULD work. But the SC has given up almost every shred of impartiality.
- It's a bit odd that there isn't a legal mechanism to force a Supreme Court ruling.
The supreme court doesn't make laws. Congress can protect abortion rights. Obviously elections determine the make up of Congress, but ultimately they determine who is on the supreme court too. If Trump weren't elected, protections provided by RvW would have been secure for decades.
- The supreme court doesn’t make laws.
  
  With their overturning Roe, completely ignoring precedent and redefining "standing" to include hypothetical fantasies (ala, the Web 'designer' Lorie Smith who never was asked to create a LGBTQ+ wedding website, but "might have to someday"), they are indeed making laws.
- SC determines if a law is constitutional and in today's court, right wing tomfoolery is legal while everything else, no matter how sane and logical, can get struck down.
  
  This was very obvious to many of us years back. As you said, if that clown Trump wasn't elected this would have been all a non-issue for decades.

Abortion rights do great on ballot measures, but not as well in general elections.

Yeah, most people support abortion rights, but those who oppose them are the most powerful single-issue voting block in the country.

Pro-choice people rarely base 100% of their vote on abortion. A pro-choicer who holds conservative beliefs on other issues generally votes Republican, but will vote in favor of abortion rights on a ballot measure.

Pro-lifers are different. They sincerely believe that abortion is mass murder of children, and that all other political issues combined don't matter in comparison. A pro-lifer who holds liberal views on every other issue generally votes Republican.

And yet they are inconsistent on companies that pollute air food and water. Somehow when corporations do it knowingly for the profit motive it's God's will despite causing miscarriages and birth defects en masse.
- It's not that all of them support these companies. It's that they literally believe children are being murdered and that until they can permanently put a stop to the legal murder of children, no other political issues matter AT ALL. They're the single-issue voting group that is really, truly single-issue, and they're massive.
  
  If Biden were anti-abortion due to his Catholicism while Trump was pro-choice, how many pro-choice Democrats would have voted for Trump? Almost none.
  
  Meanwhile, millions of pro-lifer Republicans would have voted for Biden.

The closer you can get the government to the people, the more they can be held accountable

by what metric?

any argument you can make for it being easier to justly oust them from power can also be made for it being easier to unjustly keep them in power

That’s why the power should flow upward, not downward

while a lovely, pithy statement, this has absolutely nothing to do with your argument, and doesn't really mean anything in this context

If this keeps up, 2025 is going to be lit.

In what way?
- I'm thinking the good if this keeps up is the Republicans will lose a lot of seats. Of course the bad is Dems will be in charge. So it balances out to being lit.

It doesn't matter.

Democrats are never going to kill the golden goose. The Roe leak alone made them $80,000,000 in contributions. Being anti-choice accomplishes the same objective for Republicans: lots and lots of money, money that candidates can legally pay themselves by making loans to their campaigns at 20% interest.

LOL at the downvotes.

So, so many voters in absolute denial here. We could have real change if the 49% that votes Democrat voted Green instead. The Greens would actually try to get you legal abortion at the federal level, too.

So why do libs have this mania for killing innocent babies?

Why does god? The vast preponderance of abortions happen in the same window as the vast preponderance of miscarriages, which can happen to 87 percent of fertilized embryos in the case of in vitro fertilization, and some other smaller but also shockingly high number for in vivo fertilization.

Also if you don't want 'innocent babies' to be killed why have such a hard on against prophylactics and plan b, especially since it takes 24h for sperm and egg to actually merge DNA and form a new organism? Why have an issue with birth control or porn or premarital conjugation and why make it everyone else's issue?

If women are getting abortions in the same period that God randomly gives miscarriages, I tend to think they are actually part of the same thing and that the feeling the prospective mother has about her future child being unwanted is just one final 'God given' protection against creating something broken.
Are you serious? Nobody, and I mean nobody, is promoting such a thing. It should be the woman's right to decide though.

My own mother wouldn't be here today if she hadn't needed the unfortunate procedure for what would have been an extremely deformed sister of mine.

Let me ask you, is it your uterus? No? Then mind your own business and let women manage their own bodies as they see fit.
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Why do people with your mindset have to think you own women?
God, what a garbage take.