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I literally don't care about the Hunter pardon. Trump pardoned Russian spies. I think pardoning a child for a dumb drug offence is fine. 🤷♂️
I care that he's not pardoning people in immigration detention. Instead he just pardons his crackhead son and leaves.
Yup he could on the way out make dreamers and none criminal migrant citizens but nope. Remember it's a small club and we ain't in it. Also shows Democratic leadership is happy with any outcome of elections because they still come out on top regardless. Did Nancy Pelosi's or Obama's life become more difficult because of the election? Nope. Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries are still going to get their beachfront Villas in Gaza. So they never really try to win.
Hakeem Jeffries is still the main Democrat who directly backed and supported Eric Adams in his bid for NYC Mayor and when asked about the indictment said this:
We need Eric Adams to be successful as mayor because he is the mayor
Jeffries is just another Pelosi and was picked because he doesn't care either. He won't apparently try for better just enough to make sure they keep as much power as they can.
He can't blanket pardon people. He would have to do one for each person.
He can’t blanket pardon people.
Where did you get that idea? It's been done before. In 1977 for example, President Carter, issued a blanket pardon to everyone who dodged the draft during the Vietnam war.
There are, in fact, very few limitations on the power of the pardon.
He could still pardon them all, it's not like his hand would cramp from signing too many papers! Go through, one by one, and pardon them all.
And all the people on federal death row, that Trump is going to kill.
And all the people with federal marijuana charges.
And people like Leonard Peltier and Julian Assange while he's at it.
What's stopping him?
Forty-five years of neoliberal salami slicing via lesser-evilism is how we got to this place.
I think pardoning a child for a dumb drug offence is fine. 🤷♂️
His son is hardly a child at 54 years old. Biden is also responsible for thousands of people behind bars because of "a dumb drug offense".
I don't think that Trump should be the bar for morality and ethics in this country. It's lazy to bring him into this conversation.
You're right. I should have said "his son" instead.
His son is hardly a child at 54 years old.
I'm sure parents always will see their children as children, no matter their age.
I'm specifically talking about the silly framing of "a child" rather than "his child"
And America has proven nobody cares except the Democrats who don't vote for high horse reasons son who cares.
Going back three decades when everyone thought a “war on drugs” would be a good idea is also lazy to bring into this conversation. As President, Biden freed more victims of that war than all other presidents
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Biden sponsored the crime bill that put those people behind bars in the first place.
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Biden abused his powers to pardon his son for crimes that other people will remain in prison for. Crimes that are more severely punished because of Biden.
Its actually quite relevant to the conversation
Abused his power?
Abused his power?
Yes, I would say that pardoning your own son as president is a conflict of interest, unethical, and an abuse of power. It demonstrates that Hunter is above the laws that Joe Biden helped architect. I'm surprised that this sentiment is so controversial.
No no it's not.
Did his actions breach the rules in place for issuing pardons?
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there are so many other people's children in jail for dumb drug offences...
...That Biden specifically helped put there with his drug and police laws.
Finished that sentence for you.
All drugs should be legal.
We all know humanity will refuse to unclench our collective butthole regarding capitalism during our lives. At least let us get high as fuck on whatever we want while we wage slave to barely make it.
Perhaps it's more about the working class suffering then it is about money and power. Remarkable if that's true.
Tell Biden drugs should be legal to his face he'd have you enslaved at your nearest private prison. This is how little of a shit he gives about criminals and their upbringing. He should have kept that same energy, but as always, rules are for the poors.
Meth? Crack? Fentanyl?
Yes.
Making drugs illegal doesn't stop use. It just makes it essentially impossible to know you're getting a clean supply that isn't laced with something else, or accidentally 100x as strong and it kills you. Plus it does nothing to address why these people felt the need to turn to these highly addictive and deadly drugs. If anything it makes the problem worse.
Based.
Yes you need the support in place also otherwise it just gets worse.
Drugs should be legal, driving recklessly with guns while high should definitely not be legal. I don't think Americans deserve to die for walking around despite how much I hate their country.
No they should not be without the other support networks in place. BC in Canada decimalized and it made shit worse. You need the support infrastructure in place to help people with addiction also.
...A child?
Does "an offspring" sound better? A "progeny"!?
If you can't deduct that they mean HIS child then I'm sorry but you're why disinformation is so effective.
...Wow, y'all are really losing it over this, aren't you?
Just tired of people being willfully ignorant
Frankly, I don't know what you're complaining about. If you standard for "child" is "has a parent", then everyone on here is a child, you included. Just pardon them and move on.
I mean the it is the very definition of the word. A son or daughter an offspring.
I mean yes he is Joes child no matter how old he is.
...Wait, is Joe then also a child? Good grief, no wonder America went to shit, they let a fucking child be president!
It does seem pretty banana republic-y
If the peel fits, join the bunch.
Sounds like some classic whataboutism. What time is it in Moscow, comrade!?
That is very cute but any time you start talking about Russian spies republicans can now say Hunter Biden. What you meant to say is you only care when Trump does it.
Who gives a fuck about what the republicans or democrats say anymore? They’re all corrupt rich people who are full of shit and don’t give a fuck about you and never did.
Oh no! The two pro capitalist pro imperialist parties are trading barbs about dumb shit!
This I can respect.
Thanks. I respect what biden did for his son because the republicans would do (have done?) the same shit.
What I don’t respect is the endless wars of imperialism, the genocide, the handing over power peacefully to overt fascists, and biden not doing a single fucking thing while he’s a lame duck to protect us from the incoming government.
I do not respect what Biden did for his son because Biden did not do the same thing for every other person who suffered from republican (and democrat) policies. Primarily black inmates including those who suffered false trials.
Joe Biden did not save Marcellus Williams who was actually innocent.
The only reason I have respect for it is because for once democrats aren’t the party of piety and taking the high road. It’s actually a bit refreshing seeing them muck around in the mud.
You’re totally right though. A whole lot of people should be getting pardoned for the drug war biden himself was responsible for condoning as a senator for decades. But then how would the prisons and those who contract with them for slave labor profit? Will anyone think of the poor investors?
Its funny how when it comes to normal people its always the high road, when it comes to genocide it's always a process he can't change, but when it comes to his son, no more high road. No one on the left cares about the pardon, we care that of all the times to break precedent, its not to stop the genocide but to cover his son. When someone shows your their priorities believe them.
Oh yeah. They’ve got their class interests to protect which is why they do absolutely nothing for us. Remember they’re gonna hand over power to fascists because politeness and protecting institutions matters more to them then fighting for the minorities they’ve manipulated for decades. They don’t give a fuck about us.
What's more, Biden is the single most influential man in the mass incarceration of America. He wrote the fucking 90s crime bill ffs.
Here he is, talking about leniency for criminals who aren't his son
What can he even do, short of doing the exact same thing Trump did on Jan 6th and essentially starting off open, armed conflict? Anything he tries to pass now will be immediately thrown out after Jan 20th. Increase SCOTUS seats? GOP will either just undo it or add even more to counteract it. He can't make new laws, he can only do executive orders, which Trump can easily undo. So again, that leaves only violence, and we all know that won't play out well, since that'd pretty much require Biden to kill off enough politicians, including Trump and Vance, to give the Democrats the majority in both the House and Senate. Outside of being unlikely, that sets a really dangerous precedent that would definitely backfire down the road.
Bottom line is that politicians aren't going to fix this, since the root of the problem lies within the electorate.
The root of the problem is capitalism and imperialism, and the only way out at this point is a general wildcat strike and then violence. This country will never unify under labor power so violence it is.
I'd argue it's capitalism without guardrails for consumer and worker protections that's more problematic than capitalism itself. Just like with socialism, if it isn't implemented and/or continually protected correctly, it eventually spirals into degeneracy.
And I'd like for society to avoid violence as much as possible. Anyone that throws that out as an option without heavy hesitation are those that haven't experienced the horrors of open warfare/ violence at scale.
I’m not saying I support it, I’m saying that’s what’s going to happen. We’ve had numerous options for off ramps from this hot mess but the democrats block any kind of left wing legislation and improvement of people’s lives. They’re frauds who protect their class interests above all else. They’re not gonna do shit about fascism.
Capitalism with guardrails and protections just hasn't advanced to late stage yet. It is a temporary state.
See the repeal of glass steagall act in 1999. Yes in 1933 when the act was originally passed, guardrails were implemented. Guess what, they got removed.
Reforming capitalism is a temporary measure. Externalizing the consequences of capitalism to future generations.
That primarily happens due to voters going against their own interests. If society actively undermines their own protections eventually, then no economic and/or governing system will solve that problem.
Especially when control of mass media is consolidated into only a few people.
I would say at least the good portion of blame falls on our voting and economic system. We did not create the systems that oppress us, that would be the 1%.
Perhaps this is why slave rapist Thomas Jefferson said "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion".
By that logic you'd respect the democrats if they overtook the capital as well? Republicans doing something is a horrible reason to do anything.
Oh my god, I’d have so much respect for them if they did that. They won’t. They’re going to gladly hand over power to fascists because taking the high road is always the right thing to do to liberals. That and tone policing anyone who suggests something stronger than marching around with signs ineffectually.
I'm 50-50 on this. Peaceful transition of power is about respecting the decision of the people. A reasonable reason to buck the peaceful transition would be if it didn't align with the will of the people, but that will is so obfusicated and twisted that I can't tell what it even is anymore. If you have an issue with the transition, you should have an issue with the process that got you there. Bucking only the transition isn't attacking the issue, it's throwing a tantrum because you lost.
A miscarriage of justice isn't solved with a pardon, it needs systemic changes. The rules are wrong, and ignoring them sometimes won't make things right. What I would respect is rebuilding the system to be more representative and less able to be twisted. Gerrymandering, conflicts of interest, voting availability, lobbying, voter knowledge, even the journalism industry as a whole; there are lots of huge problems out there, ignoring those resorting to an armed "nuh uh" at the last moment is stupid.
That said, installing a dictator has never gone well, and being petty and stupid is probably worth avoiding that. It's probably worth quite a bit more really. So I wouldn't like it, but I really couldn't complain.
And if the people overthrew Hitler in 1933 would it be because they’re sore losers who lost? He went into power democratically elected. I think hindsight shows us that somebody should of tried to overthrow him to avoid all the horrible deaths caused by him.
Make no mistake. These christofascists will round up people like me. I’m a visibly queer woman and I can’t keep my mouth shut or try to feminize myself more to blend in. They’re gonna give me no choice but to defend myself. After reviewing history, I vote offense rather than defense this time around.
By that same logic, should president Truman have been ousted after WWII? Should the Canadian trucker convoy have torched parliament? Should all governments decend into chaos as soon as any group doesn't like them?
I'm not saying this specific turn of events shouldn't be resisted, I'm looking for better logic, a reason why the rules shouldn't apply here. Something like the overt and immediate threat to people's wellbeing and freedom. It doesn't matter how good or bad this administration is going to be according to an individual, it matters that they're going to cause a lot of unnecessary harm to a lot of people. Subjective opinions are how we got here.
Maybe we're past the point of that mattering, perhaps a critical mass of people just want to cause harm and a lot of fucked up shit is inevitable, but I do hope to keep a sense of ethics and justice to rebuild when the fight for existence ends. I don't want to become the uncritical extremists we're fighting against.
I would say that the issue is not who is doing the pardoning but who is being pardoned. There's a clear difference between Hunter being pardoned and Russian assets being pardoned.
any time you start talking about Russian spies republicans can now say Hunter Biden
Damn. Then I guess they win. All the Liz Cheneys in the world won't be able to beat them