I can't wait to be one of the "I was part of the great Reddit migration" dudes when this lemmy stuff inevitably goes tits up in 15 years.
Jokes on us because in 15 years all the instances alive right now will probably be dead and there will be no proof beyond an archive lol
@[email protected] 15 years
Wow, now that I think about it, it is quite scary. Hope that most instances stay alive
RemindMe! 15 years.
Oh, right, ☹️
@[email protected] 5 minutes look what fedi can do
@[email protected] 15 years
@CosmicSploogeDrizzle Ok, I will remind you on Monday Jul 12, 2038 at 2:35 PM PST.
15 years? This is all going to happen quickly. I give it 5.
Lemmy has been around for a while already, and is open source. It will go tits up like linux didn't. Unless it get abandoned.
That's gonna be me. I am a bandwagon boy
While I agree with the worry concerning corporations joining, I don't really mind "normal" people joining though.
That being said, this is an incorrect use of the meme. The text on the two bottom panels are supposed to stay the same.
Sorry if I'm being pedantic.
No don't stop. This is the kind of nerd shit I've missed!
We sure have arrived at panel 2 indeed. If it works better for your mind consider it a completely new meme template that happens to have the same visual outline, because this meme communicates exactly what I want to communicate :)
Shallow and pedantic
I agree, shallow and pedantic.
This is the first time I've seen a Papers Please meme, and it makes me so happy.
I can hear this image
I’m gonna spam this everywhere. Thank you!
God dammit Jorji, get it right.
Can you not expand comment images in Jerboa? I can't read that and I can't figure out how to make it bigger.
I can't expand on Jerboa either, but it says
Protocol Violation: improper meme format
Same!
The neat part is they really can't fuck it up. You can always run your own instance and defederate from a corporation causing problems. Eventually we'll be getting the feature to block entire instances too so you won't have to rely on your admin making that choice either.
Is there a GitHub issue tracking that feature?
It’s decentralized though. That’s literally the reason I believe in the Fediverse
The Internet was built to be a decentralised network, too.
So companies fucked up the internet, and people had to make a new internet inside the internet. And when companies fuck that up too, we'll make a new internet inside that one!
Easy. Ban every company.
Easy. ~~Ban~~ Defederate every company.
FTFY. It's FOSS. We can't stop them from spinning up their own instances (See: Threads) but that doesn't mean we have to play nicely with them.
Edit: Fuck it, I can't get the ~~strikethrough~~ to work.
YUPYUP
We have more control this time though... When the companies come, we can block them.
That's why we need to abolish private ownership, all corporations must be collectively owned by the community.
Communism intensifies
China has some pretty cool jets that don't like totally explode for no reason.
Wait isn't the fediverse explicitly about private ownership?
It'll be a lot harder for them with federated software, and when the free instances are all solidly established
They can still infiltrate them by buying their way into the admin/s pokets since maintaining servers is expensive.
maintaining servers is a lot more affordable when your website isn't bloated with tracking and unnecessary features. It's not realistic for a corporation to buy up a significant chunk of the fediverse anyways
It honestly doesn't seem that expensive based on others talking about their hosting costs. The bigger instance will be more expensive but they would also have a lot more people who can easily handle the cost without needing external funds. That said some instance will go that way not for the server cost but for simply money in their pocket at which point you can just switch to another instance.
Corporation owns reddit, owns twitter, owns meta, owns twitch and youtube.
Corporation cant own fediverse. Corporate interests could take over lemmy.world, or any other instance, but that doesnt give them the fediverse. They can block outside users from coming in, they can block inside users from going out, but they cant block outside users from eachother
It's not that simple, take a look at this article: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
What a great warning! This sort of thing is why I think that we should try to have a more distributed userbase instead of everyone piling into one instance. I have nothing against @lemmy.world, but it being as big as it is can become a huge problem if its interests are ever compromised because defederation becomes infeasible when such a large portion of the userbase is in the instance everyone else wants to defederate.
Google was only able to do that because XMPP's userbase was practically nonexistent by the time they pulled the plug. Google Talk had become such a hegemon that the overwhelming majority of XMPP interactions were between Google Talk users. Google had the option to keep tying themselves to a protocol that they don't own to support access to a very small amount of users or develop their own system that they could do whatever they want with. Lemmy and Mastodon do not have that issue. Regardless of what Facebook does with Threads, Mastodon has millions of users and Lemmy reached over 300k. The majority of their users are unlikely to migrate their accounts over just to sell their souls to the Zucc. There is enough activity on Lemmy and Mastodon that many Threads users may make seperate accounts here should Threads eventually defederate, while the users of Lemmy and Mastodon simply go back to an existence without Facebook's meddling. There's not a situation where Threads can destroy Lemmy or Mastodon like there was with XMPP
Yeah, I'm a little confused by the doom-and-gloom regarding all this. Meta/etc. can only ruin the Fediverse if we let them. I really doubt most people currently on lemmy/kbin/mastodon are going to abandon the smaller instances in favor of a Big Corp instance, which IMHO is the big way they can ruin it (consolidate users from smaller instances and then pull the plug). I think there is even an opportunity here to really grow the Fediverse --- smaller instances can (and should!) steal users from Big Corp instances.
Of course this may just be wishful thinking. With their track record, who knows what's possible I guess. (For example, I fully expect non-meta users to be 2nd class citizens on a meta instance...)
Yeah I hate how my personal site on my personal servers is always in mark zuckerbergs hands. Wait what was the question?
Don't be surprised if corporations bought out instances or whole development teams. Good thing new Inatances can be launched and the community can always fork the code and continue work.
I hope not. I remember a time in which you needed to know something in order to enjoy the Internet and I kinda hope this place remains less approachable by normies, but attractive to those who love technology. I feel this is like how IRC was in the 90s.
I think that Lemmy becoming more accessible to normies is a good thing. There's no reason to gatekeep it, as it's not the normies that mess up the site, it's the greedy pricks that follow them and try to make a buck.
@mino I already saw some adposts from coorperations here. But they werent pushed to me as no ones serves ads here.
This is not how the meme template is supposed to be used
Thank god someone else noticed. I was starting to doubt my sanity. More than usual, I mean.
instances collectively agreeing to defederate from corporate ones is what will stop them
In order to screw up Lemmy, corporations would have to take over 1300 or so Instances, scattered in different countries all over the world.
The second they screwed up the most popular Instance(s), folks would just move to other Instances and they could defederate from the corporate ones.
I hate to say it, but the vibe has gotten a lot more Reddit-y over the last couple months. Lemmy used to be a lot more controversial, and not afraid to show it
I kind of like that tbh. I have identified as an anarchist/communist for over 25 years and even I thought the content at Lemmy was too much of a downer to be around too much.
The point is not the content per se, the point is nobody has any other incentive than to have a good time and share. Instead of the basic human desire to be social constantly being exploited for shiny fucking coins by robots and or psychopaths.
You pick the communities you like. Diversity is key.
I'm not sure if it's brigading or if reddit was just better at hiding them, but I'm seeing a lot of alt-right, fuck-the-libs hate. Any of the current posts about the student loan forgiveness for example. So so many bad faith, tone-deaf arguments of "why should I pay for your loans" or "those lazy deadbeats just don't want to pay". It almost feels organzied.
Great thing about the fediverse is that it will always have new instances and we can keep moving to the cool ones
I don’t think this will be a popular take but I think big companies joining the Fediverse has the potential to be a healthy thing. They’d have the resources to make it more viable to onboard the masses. This would grow the graph and the content pool.
Once onboarded, people can hear the gospel from us Fediverse-freaks and potentially migrate. The concept of finding and joining a federated instance won’t be so scary. The people that won’t migrate probably never were going to.
Will they be perfect citizens? Almost certainly not, but it doesn’t have to be all bad
But with big companies comes advertising which is one big reason why I'm here and not on the official Reddit app.
Ads do suck and the whole industry is a hazard, but if another instance wants to run some and recoup server bills it doesn’t seem like my problem; I’ll find a new instance with a different financial model. If they inject ads into feeds I’d want them defederated; it all becomes a selling point to move to a different instance
Do you want to onboard the masses though?
These are the masses that literally do not seek anything that is not packaged and maketed and placed directly beneath their noses as the latest zeitgeist, the must have, if you don't join you're out of touch!!!
It's not exactly conducive to critical thought processes, and a large part of valid arguments about social media being harmful.
Ah shit
Here we go again
Can corporations fuck it up if they want to? Couldn't we just migrate to a new instance and not federate? Or not federate with them from the beginning?
I've already seen it happen with a company creating an account to plug their meal plan site, same thing that has been happening on reddit since it started. Just don't trust any account thats trying to sell you something.
Then we'll create our own network. With blackjack and hookers!
We always knew this would happen though.
We have the powe to stop corporations. At least for now, as we control the fediverse. However keep in mind, everything meets its end inevitably.
Don't worry I joined to even it out
I haven't touched Reddit in years and hate corporations
Let's hope this plan works and more people who don't use Reddit and hate corporations join
Corps joining is fine. It’s when the corps are out in control that the issues arise
The course is clear: gatekeep the normies. Corporations won't care if easily fooled cattle don't use lemmy.
Yes
I mean, that’s the way it goes sometimes. I know it’s like “duh just be like this!” Type statement but people really shouldn’t ever attach themselves to websites, brands, etc. Always be mentally ready to walk away. That doesn’t mean walk at the first shitty experience, but, you know. Gotta know when to ol’ yeller something and reddit passed that point a long time ago. Discord is my personal ol’ yeller project right now besides reddit. Trying to get people to move off since they’re just becoming greedier and greedier + it’s centralized as fuck and they’re starting to make moves, it seems, towards more censorship there despite that kind of being the opposite of what people came to expect.
Do we really want normies on our site? Will they really act as bait for the megacorps to come and ruin our federation?
They're already here as evidenced by OP using the meme wrong.
Stanley Kubrick over here
